My Critique of Lt. Gen. Tauqir Zia’s Article
Jarrar Jaffari April 8, 2003
#17 Posted by JarrarJaffari on April 17, 2003 8:56:04 am
Great Khan, himself wrote following article in his defense. Itw as sent to me via Email:
Missing the point
>By Imran Khan
>Former Pakistan captain
>After reading Lt-General Tauqir Zia`s article my pessimism about the
>future of Pakistan cricket actually increased.
>Surely, the PCB Chairman should have expected criticism considering
the
>way Pakistan cricket has declined since he took over in 2000. Then it
>was considered the second best team in the world; the last six month
>have been the worst in our history, culminating in World Cup
>humiliation. But he is correct in saying that some of the criticism is
>motivated by those with ulterior motives.
>Let me hasten to reassure him that I have no ambitions to either
become
>PCB chairman or take some lucrative post on the Board . I have been
>vocal about the pathetic state of Pakistan`s domestic cricket
structure
>for some two decades. Having played domestic cricket for eight years,
>Test cricket for 21, English county cricket for 17 a season in
>Australia`s Shield cricket, and captained Pakistan for 10, longer than
>anyone in our history. am I not qualified in offering suggestion on
how
>to improve the quality of my country cricket that I have given the
best
>years of my life to and which gave me so much in return?
>According to the PCB chairman I had claimed that Waqar`s team was
better
>than the one that won the World Cup in 1992 but once it lost I
>criticized the whole setup. Indeed I am convinced that the team that
>participated in this World Cup was better than the one that I led in
>1992 but worse than the ones that played the 1996 and 1999 world cups.
>Almost all the cricket experts regarded Pakistan as the most exciting
>and talented team in the 1999 competition. This time it was the only
>major Test playing team that could not go beyond the qualifying round
>without any excuses (England forfeited its match against Zimbabwe and
>South Africa and West Indies suffered because of the weather).
Moreover,
>in the previous five months our cricket suffered some of its most
>humiliating defeat in its history, signifying that the World Cup was
not
>a temporary hiccup but that a terminal decline had set in. Therefore
my
>criticism was at two levels: one, the poor strategy and negative
tactics
>employed in World Cup 2003 and, two, the reasons for the steady
decline
>of Pakistan cricket, which is the domestic cricket structure with its
>vested interests.
>Tauqir Zia may have put a lot of effort and passion in wanting to see
>Pakistan cricket to do well and I do believe him. My criticism of
>domestic cricket is directed not any individual but at the status quo.
I
>believe that in the last 20 years either the PCB chairman have not had
>adequate understanding of the game to develop a vision of putting
>Pakistan cricket on the right lines or they have not had the guts to
>take on the vested interests that hold our cricket hostage. Tauqir
Zia`s
>fault lies in surrounding himself with and taking advice from people
who
>are directly or indirectly benefiting from the sponsor organisations.
>They thus have a stake in maintaining the status quo. These
>organizations have to first be purged from our first class cricket and
>then persuaded to sponsor regional or city teams. Each time I have
tried>to suggest that Pakistan domestic cricket should be on regional basis,
>as is the norm in the entire cricketing world (nowhere do sponsor
field
>their own teams in first class cricket), the vested interests with one
>voice say that the players will become unemployed, as if the PCB`s
main
>aim is to provide employment to cricketers rather than making the
>Pakistan team the best in the world.
>Today `change management` is a science and whenever multinationals
want
>to revamp their organizational structure they get in specialists
trained
>specifically for the job. The first thing the specialists do is to
>neutralize all vested interest that are benefiting from the status
quo.
>Thanks to the sponsor organizations` mafia surrounding him, General
>Tauqir Zia, like his predecessors, has continued this farcical system
>which enables organization like banks, PIA, Railway etc to field their
>own teams by directly employing cricketers. These organizations play
on
>hired grounds that, for those who understand the game, know is
>unheard-of in first class cricket elsewhere. First class teams
>everywhere have their own grounds. There is zero crowd interest as no
>one is pushed about watching two banks playing each other. Imagine if
>there was a World Cup of multinationals! Would there be the same
degree
>of interest as a world cup of countries. The result of our hotch-potch
>first class cricket is that instead of polishing our abundant talent,
it
>actually destroys it. In my presence Clive Lloyd and Ian Chappell, two
>of cricket`s best minds, told General Tauqir on different occasions
>about the world-class potential of Imran Nazir. Yet once dropped from
>the national team he has disappeared from the scene, lost in our
>decaying domestic cricket. When I wanted to selected Inzamamul Haq in
>the national team in October 1991 I was told by the selectors in that
he
>was not good enough for international cricket. When I insisted and got
>his inclusion one of the selectors resigned. He went on to become one
of
>the world`s leading batsman. Pakistan has been fortunate in having
great
>talent, yet for the players to develop their technique and temperament
>enough to compete on the international stage a proper and modern
cricket
>structure is vital. Were we to reform our cricket structure purely on
>regional lines and put all our resources in it rather than squandering
>them on cricket academies, expensive coaches, redundant lights at
>exorbitant cost, we would become the only country with the talent to
>challenge Australia.
>Without these radical reforms we will only go down a descending
spiral,
>changing teams captains coaches and selectors, as we have been doing
in
>the past five years. This will be like treating cancer with aspirin.
The
>academies in Australia are only useful because their Sheffield Shield
>cricket is of an incredibly high standard. The knowledge gained in
>academies can only be beneficial if it can be put into practice in
>quality first class cricket, else it remains purely academic. Without
>changing the concept of our first cricket structure from department to
>regional teams only, these academies and coaches are simply a waste of
>money.
>Therefore for the PCB chairman to simply blame the decline in Pakistan
>cricket on the senior players is grossly unfair. Have we forgotten
that
>the team that was decimated by the Australians a few months back in
the
>second Test in Sharjah, out for shamefully low record scores of 52 and
>58, was without the stars and comprised more or less the same
youngsters
>who have been selected for the April Sharjah tour. If the stars do
>behave like pre-Madonnas it`s because they are not being challenged by
>younger players thrown up by domestic cricket, unlike the Australians
>who are constantly under pressure from fresh blood and on one not even
a
>great like McGrath, can be complacent. The big question is: why did
the
>PCB not disciple the stars all these years? Why this sudden
realization
>about their lack of commitment and discipline after the World Cup?
>Answer: because the PCB was petrified that it would lose without them
>and hence went out of its way to mollycoddle them and pamper them with
>cash incentives. What is the guarantee that the stars of tomorrow will
>not behave exactly like their predecessors?
>The reason I recommended Wasim Akram as an interim captain was not
>because he was my protege but because he is the player most qualified
>for the job. He is Pakistan`s most successful cricketer and since 1992
>the most experienced captain. Above all, he can hold his place in the
>team.
>Finally, while I do not doubt the sincerity of General Tauqir Zia, I
am
>afraid all the measures he has taken to make us feel optimistic about
>Pakistan cricket are nothing new. He is merely tinkering with a tried
>and failed cricket structure and is thus destined to give the
Pakistani
>cricketing public more heartache.
>
Missing the point
>By Imran Khan
>Former Pakistan captain
>After reading Lt-General Tauqir Zia`s article my pessimism about the
>future of Pakistan cricket actually increased.
>Surely, the PCB Chairman should have expected criticism considering
the
>way Pakistan cricket has declined since he took over in 2000. Then it
>was considered the second best team in the world; the last six month
>have been the worst in our history, culminating in World Cup
>humiliation. But he is correct in saying that some of the criticism is
>motivated by those with ulterior motives.
>Let me hasten to reassure him that I have no ambitions to either
become
>PCB chairman or take some lucrative post on the Board . I have been
>vocal about the pathetic state of Pakistan`s domestic cricket
structure
>for some two decades. Having played domestic cricket for eight years,
>Test cricket for 21, English county cricket for 17 a season in
>Australia`s Shield cricket, and captained Pakistan for 10, longer than
>anyone in our history. am I not qualified in offering suggestion on
how
>to improve the quality of my country cricket that I have given the
best
>years of my life to and which gave me so much in return?
>According to the PCB chairman I had claimed that Waqar`s team was
better
>than the one that won the World Cup in 1992 but once it lost I
>criticized the whole setup. Indeed I am convinced that the team that
>participated in this World Cup was better than the one that I led in
>1992 but worse than the ones that played the 1996 and 1999 world cups.
>Almost all the cricket experts regarded Pakistan as the most exciting
>and talented team in the 1999 competition. This time it was the only
>major Test playing team that could not go beyond the qualifying round
>without any excuses (England forfeited its match against Zimbabwe and
>South Africa and West Indies suffered because of the weather).
Moreover,
>in the previous five months our cricket suffered some of its most
>humiliating defeat in its history, signifying that the World Cup was
not
>a temporary hiccup but that a terminal decline had set in. Therefore
my
>criticism was at two levels: one, the poor strategy and negative
tactics
>employed in World Cup 2003 and, two, the reasons for the steady
decline
>of Pakistan cricket, which is the domestic cricket structure with its
>vested interests.
>Tauqir Zia may have put a lot of effort and passion in wanting to see
>Pakistan cricket to do well and I do believe him. My criticism of
>domestic cricket is directed not any individual but at the status quo.
I
>believe that in the last 20 years either the PCB chairman have not had
>adequate understanding of the game to develop a vision of putting
>Pakistan cricket on the right lines or they have not had the guts to
>take on the vested interests that hold our cricket hostage. Tauqir
Zia`s
>fault lies in surrounding himself with and taking advice from people
who
>are directly or indirectly benefiting from the sponsor organisations.
>They thus have a stake in maintaining the status quo. These
>organizations have to first be purged from our first class cricket and
>then persuaded to sponsor regional or city teams. Each time I have
tried>to suggest that Pakistan domestic cricket should be on regional basis,
>as is the norm in the entire cricketing world (nowhere do sponsor
field
>their own teams in first class cricket), the vested interests with one
>voice say that the players will become unemployed, as if the PCB`s
main
>aim is to provide employment to cricketers rather than making the
>Pakistan team the best in the world.
>Today `change management` is a science and whenever multinationals
want
>to revamp their organizational structure they get in specialists
trained
>specifically for the job. The first thing the specialists do is to
>neutralize all vested interest that are benefiting from the status
quo.
>Thanks to the sponsor organizations` mafia surrounding him, General
>Tauqir Zia, like his predecessors, has continued this farcical system
>which enables organization like banks, PIA, Railway etc to field their
>own teams by directly employing cricketers. These organizations play
on
>hired grounds that, for those who understand the game, know is
>unheard-of in first class cricket elsewhere. First class teams
>everywhere have their own grounds. There is zero crowd interest as no
>one is pushed about watching two banks playing each other. Imagine if
>there was a World Cup of multinationals! Would there be the same
degree
>of interest as a world cup of countries. The result of our hotch-potch
>first class cricket is that instead of polishing our abundant talent,
it
>actually destroys it. In my presence Clive Lloyd and Ian Chappell, two
>of cricket`s best minds, told General Tauqir on different occasions
>about the world-class potential of Imran Nazir. Yet once dropped from
>the national team he has disappeared from the scene, lost in our
>decaying domestic cricket. When I wanted to selected Inzamamul Haq in
>the national team in October 1991 I was told by the selectors in that
he
>was not good enough for international cricket. When I insisted and got
>his inclusion one of the selectors resigned. He went on to become one
of
>the world`s leading batsman. Pakistan has been fortunate in having
great
>talent, yet for the players to develop their technique and temperament
>enough to compete on the international stage a proper and modern
cricket
>structure is vital. Were we to reform our cricket structure purely on
>regional lines and put all our resources in it rather than squandering
>them on cricket academies, expensive coaches, redundant lights at
>exorbitant cost, we would become the only country with the talent to
>challenge Australia.
>Without these radical reforms we will only go down a descending
spiral,
>changing teams captains coaches and selectors, as we have been doing
in
>the past five years. This will be like treating cancer with aspirin.
The
>academies in Australia are only useful because their Sheffield Shield
>cricket is of an incredibly high standard. The knowledge gained in
>academies can only be beneficial if it can be put into practice in
>quality first class cricket, else it remains purely academic. Without
>changing the concept of our first cricket structure from department to
>regional teams only, these academies and coaches are simply a waste of
>money.
>Therefore for the PCB chairman to simply blame the decline in Pakistan
>cricket on the senior players is grossly unfair. Have we forgotten
that
>the team that was decimated by the Australians a few months back in
the
>second Test in Sharjah, out for shamefully low record scores of 52 and
>58, was without the stars and comprised more or less the same
youngsters
>who have been selected for the April Sharjah tour. If the stars do
>behave like pre-Madonnas it`s because they are not being challenged by
>younger players thrown up by domestic cricket, unlike the Australians
>who are constantly under pressure from fresh blood and on one not even
a
>great like McGrath, can be complacent. The big question is: why did
the
>PCB not disciple the stars all these years? Why this sudden
realization
>about their lack of commitment and discipline after the World Cup?
>Answer: because the PCB was petrified that it would lose without them
>and hence went out of its way to mollycoddle them and pamper them with
>cash incentives. What is the guarantee that the stars of tomorrow will
>not behave exactly like their predecessors?
>The reason I recommended Wasim Akram as an interim captain was not
>because he was my protege but because he is the player most qualified
>for the job. He is Pakistan`s most successful cricketer and since 1992
>the most experienced captain. Above all, he can hold his place in the
>team.
>Finally, while I do not doubt the sincerity of General Tauqir Zia, I
am
>afraid all the measures he has taken to make us feel optimistic about
>Pakistan cricket are nothing new. He is merely tinkering with a tried
>and failed cricket structure and is thus destined to give the
Pakistani
>cricketing public more heartache.
>
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#16 Posted by Zakkk on April 10, 2003 9:57:56 am
If a General in charge of campaign, for 3 years failed at the final hurdle disastrously. Almost every country in the World would either fire him or expect him to resign. The team that went to the World Cup was Zia`s baby, he`d nurtured them for 3 years, with an absolute free hand. I believe the PCB`s constitution was suspended in that time.
Zia has made some good dismissals and appointments since the World Cup defeat. but he should do the morally right thing and quit.
Zia has made some good dismissals and appointments since the World Cup defeat. but he should do the morally right thing and quit.
#15 Posted by Nomani on April 10, 2003 7:19:59 am
General Tauqir Zia don`t need any criticism. The results of the World cup are quite enough if he has some shame. But he`s not ashamed of himself at all only because he`s a general. Loosing a world cup is nothing for generals. They passed the blame of loosing East Pakistan to politicians even when they never let the politicians speak while they were loosing it. Anyone can win our generals, but the public of Pakistan from whose money they get paid.
#14 Posted by Jamshed on April 10, 2003 7:19:59 am
Countries win when civilians are given command of all the institutions including the military. (The elected president is the commander-in-chief of US army). Countries loose or at least suffer when military takes over the command of all instituitons in its hand. (The commander-in-chief is a dictator to the elected PM in Pakistan). Cricket is only one case. We loose almost everywhere. Only world bank and other super powers are benefitted by our military leadership. Our civilian public is loosing everywhere. Surprisingly it`s the civilians who are blamed for every defeat.
#13 Posted by FarooqA on April 9, 2003 12:03:12 pm
I am not much impressed by the new-look team`s performance in Sharajah, it is just the lack of tough opposition that thier performance looks good. In the batting department so far only the old guns have performed well. The new chaps Taufeeq , Hafeez, Naveed and Faisal have given mediocre performances, nothing outstanding, the dull Sharjah wicket has masked the flaws in their batting. The new bowler Umar Gul needs to improve his bowling action a great deal. On the whole the new bunch is short on technique and their is nothing extrordinary about them, none of them is capable of filling Waseem`s and Inzi`s boots. About the General, courtsey his recent press statements, he has become my pet hate, ISSB seems to have special expertise in choosing such thorough nerds.
#12 Posted by nazarhayatkhan on April 9, 2003 9:00:56 am
Jarrar
Cricket is not my cup of tea. But if you have watched on 10 Sports, Miandad`s analysis of world cup games, he seems to know something about the game.
The new young faces in this Sharjah cup are simply amazing. They are disciplined, they understand the game and are producing results. They can also field. There are no big waves in their game. Almost everyone scores in double figures. They do not look shaky on the field. (our good old Yousaf Yohanna looks more shaky and keeps giving an odd chance)
They may have had good days but now, frankly, Wasim, Inzamam and Shoeab look like odd bumpkins always looking out of place in thais very technical and mathematical one-day cricket. There was never a plan or science behind what they did. We always sat on the edge of seat while they were in field.
I think Zia did the right thing by putting the old guard in the World cup. They convinced the general audience that their time had passed and they need to call it a day.
#11 Posted by jay on April 9, 2003 9:00:47 am
CRICKET IN PAKISTAN,
In the last world cup cricket, only three players were punished for abusing others, all three were pakistanis, and against indians.
This should be claimed as achievemnet for the pak cricketers in the jihadic tradition.
Well what is the role of PCB chairman in this, in achieving this record for pakistan.
In the last world cup cricket, only three players were punished for abusing others, all three were pakistanis, and against indians.
This should be claimed as achievemnet for the pak cricketers in the jihadic tradition.
Well what is the role of PCB chairman in this, in achieving this record for pakistan.
#10 Posted by rozaiba on April 9, 2003 9:00:47 am
good piece jarrar jaffri.
gen tauqir like ALL the other faujiz placed in civilian institutions are pretensious leeches. to dispel the impression of their obvious and natural incompetance, they will go to any length by passing the blame.
this is very much the Pakistani Fauj mentality and method. screw the country, blame someone else, and continue screwing it.
gen tauqir like ALL the other faujiz placed in civilian institutions are pretensious leeches. to dispel the impression of their obvious and natural incompetance, they will go to any length by passing the blame.
this is very much the Pakistani Fauj mentality and method. screw the country, blame someone else, and continue screwing it.
#9 Posted by JarrarJaffari on April 8, 2003 9:39:50 pm
Nawaid:
{
{Lets put whatever happened in the world cup behind us and learn from this experience to plan for the next one in the Caribbean. }
humm..then what the purpose of this article? after doing the court marshal of Gen Tauqir, these words make any difference?
}
In my humble opinion one ofthe lessons we could learn from this adventure in South Africa is that people with Gen. Zia`s cricket-managment resume have failed agains and again to make any sane decision and thus PCB is better off without such guys. That is what I was trying to communicate (may be I did horribly bad job in that, but that is what I meant!). I`m not saying that PCB should be headed by an ex- cricketer, I am truly for a person who has a vision, leadrship and great personnel management skills with a keen eye for cricket to come and lead the PCB.
Picking Rashid Latif as a captain is a mistake, I mean the guy has announced his retirement and thus clearly lack long term commitment with the team.
Javid Miandad has been sacked (I think) twice before by the same PCB chairman so there is either something really wrong with Miandad`s coaching or Gen Zia is on something that makes his head spin.
We need to understand that a great player may not be a great coach, and that being a great coach is yet another kind and type of talent.
Great English captain Mike Brearley once wrote about coaching that:
``
Tasks of coaching can be divided into two parts. One part involves finding the strengths of the individuals or team and working in an environment where these can flourish. Second part is spotting areas where change is needed and finding ways of challenging team or individuals to overcome these shortcommings.
If you look closely both of these tasks require a coach to be a great observer, listener and his ability to diagnose.
I hope Miandad posses these abilities but I really doubt that he is a coach matterial, he is perhaps a great batting coach but not the one who can run the whole team. He is caught-up into the Karcahi-vs-Lahore tussle so much that he redicules Imran Khan every now and then.
One of the common criticism about the idea of regional cricket setup is that Departments offer jobs to the players. In my opinion that is the main problem we should not have these Government Departments having teams, because labor laws in Pakistan almost makes it impossible to lay-off an under performing worker or emplyee. It should not be a God given right of player to remian employed after years of sub-par performances. Let the regional teams be run by a sponsor who have stringent contracts and provide facilities for the player to win.
Jarrar
{
{Lets put whatever happened in the world cup behind us and learn from this experience to plan for the next one in the Caribbean. }
humm..then what the purpose of this article? after doing the court marshal of Gen Tauqir, these words make any difference?
}
In my humble opinion one ofthe lessons we could learn from this adventure in South Africa is that people with Gen. Zia`s cricket-managment resume have failed agains and again to make any sane decision and thus PCB is better off without such guys. That is what I was trying to communicate (may be I did horribly bad job in that, but that is what I meant!). I`m not saying that PCB should be headed by an ex- cricketer, I am truly for a person who has a vision, leadrship and great personnel management skills with a keen eye for cricket to come and lead the PCB.
Picking Rashid Latif as a captain is a mistake, I mean the guy has announced his retirement and thus clearly lack long term commitment with the team.
Javid Miandad has been sacked (I think) twice before by the same PCB chairman so there is either something really wrong with Miandad`s coaching or Gen Zia is on something that makes his head spin.
We need to understand that a great player may not be a great coach, and that being a great coach is yet another kind and type of talent.
Great English captain Mike Brearley once wrote about coaching that:
``
Tasks of coaching can be divided into two parts. One part involves finding the strengths of the individuals or team and working in an environment where these can flourish. Second part is spotting areas where change is needed and finding ways of challenging team or individuals to overcome these shortcommings.
If you look closely both of these tasks require a coach to be a great observer, listener and his ability to diagnose.
I hope Miandad posses these abilities but I really doubt that he is a coach matterial, he is perhaps a great batting coach but not the one who can run the whole team. He is caught-up into the Karcahi-vs-Lahore tussle so much that he redicules Imran Khan every now and then.
One of the common criticism about the idea of regional cricket setup is that Departments offer jobs to the players. In my opinion that is the main problem we should not have these Government Departments having teams, because labor laws in Pakistan almost makes it impossible to lay-off an under performing worker or emplyee. It should not be a God given right of player to remian employed after years of sub-par performances. Let the regional teams be run by a sponsor who have stringent contracts and provide facilities for the player to win.
Jarrar
#8 Posted by nazarhayatkhan on April 8, 2003 9:20:22 pm
Reply # 1 Temporal
I agree.
Despite a national consensus that LFO be ratified by the assembly, today Musharraf announced that he is not going to take off his uniform. ``Because the country needs him``.
There must be something very good in being President or Prime Minister that no one, be it a civilian or military, wants leave honourably.
It is deja vue and the usual end game seems to have begun.
Who needs enemies with friends like these!
#7 Posted by adnan_rafiq on April 8, 2003 4:32:17 pm
``Oooof!!! Tum low-grade civilian loge! Tum loge kubhee bhee Pak Army kaa superior brain ko nuhee sumjhay gaa! Pak Army key ek juwaan kaa dimaagh tum 100 civilian logoN say zyaadaa hai! Sumjhay! Tum loge lucky hai kay British jaatay wuqt upnaa azeem tohfaa, Pak Army, tum ko day kay guyaa hai! So shut up and let General saahib do as he pleases with the cricket team... and the rest of the country. Pakistan Zindabad!``
#6 Posted by gomak on April 8, 2003 2:39:34 pm
A General taking over the cricket board was ``in supreme national intrest`` i think so we better not talk about it coz` it is a matter of national security now.
Yeah Pakis played bad cricket in World Cup? but whos to blame? the Chairman who thinks like a hawk! the Management who listens to what Chairman says or the players? i assume India is to blame for it ! or Zionists or maybe CIA? who knows .....
But looking at the recent changes and Miadad as a Coach Pakistanis can perform and they will if Miadad sticks to the job and the Management dont play with him(Miadad). Amir Sohail has a tough job on his hand he is known to loose his temper so he better think and think twice before making any moves. The New Players must be given the chance and its about time Inzi, Anwar, Wasim and Vicky leave the team and let others play. And for Salim Malik and Ijaz Ahmed who still thinks they are fit for the National Side forget it! Kenya and Bangladesh are hunting for young blood make a new Birth Certificate and ya know all the Bookies get some help and who knows ya guys would be playing for Bangladesh or Kenya.
Yeah Pakis played bad cricket in World Cup? but whos to blame? the Chairman who thinks like a hawk! the Management who listens to what Chairman says or the players? i assume India is to blame for it ! or Zionists or maybe CIA? who knows .....
But looking at the recent changes and Miadad as a Coach Pakistanis can perform and they will if Miadad sticks to the job and the Management dont play with him(Miadad). Amir Sohail has a tough job on his hand he is known to loose his temper so he better think and think twice before making any moves. The New Players must be given the chance and its about time Inzi, Anwar, Wasim and Vicky leave the team and let others play. And for Salim Malik and Ijaz Ahmed who still thinks they are fit for the National Side forget it! Kenya and Bangladesh are hunting for young blood make a new Birth Certificate and ya know all the Bookies get some help and who knows ya guys would be playing for Bangladesh or Kenya.
#5 Posted by nawaid on April 8, 2003 1:33:04 pm
{Lets put whatever happened in the world cup behind us and learn from this experience to plan for the next one in the Caribbean. }
humm..then what the purpose of this article? after doing the court marshal of Gen Tauqir, these words make any difference?
isn`t feasible that we discuss more about new changes been done....like Rashid as new Captain, Javed as new Coach ( who will very soon going to cry about players non cooperation)....are these changes going to work etc?
Organisation of pakistani domestic cricket on regional basis.wow... which regional cricket association has funds to give monthly salaries to players? everone is not Imran Khan and every player is not in pakistani cricket team. Most first class players do need these instituion`s financial support . I can see still people come to watch Habib bank and PIA`s Wills Cup final but do you think people will go to watch KCCA and Bhawalpur`s match?
and i want to know name of atleast two batsman who were very much capable to bat against Andy Roberts and other Windians brutal force of that time.Comparing players who used to play 20 years back such as Shafiq papa , Rizwan. Agah ji etc from current domestic system...well this is critique, it has to be critical, no matter whatever means use to criticise.
humm..then what the purpose of this article? after doing the court marshal of Gen Tauqir, these words make any difference?
isn`t feasible that we discuss more about new changes been done....like Rashid as new Captain, Javed as new Coach ( who will very soon going to cry about players non cooperation)....are these changes going to work etc?
Organisation of pakistani domestic cricket on regional basis.wow... which regional cricket association has funds to give monthly salaries to players? everone is not Imran Khan and every player is not in pakistani cricket team. Most first class players do need these instituion`s financial support . I can see still people come to watch Habib bank and PIA`s Wills Cup final but do you think people will go to watch KCCA and Bhawalpur`s match?
and i want to know name of atleast two batsman who were very much capable to bat against Andy Roberts and other Windians brutal force of that time.Comparing players who used to play 20 years back such as Shafiq papa , Rizwan. Agah ji etc from current domestic system...well this is critique, it has to be critical, no matter whatever means use to criticise.
#4 Posted by Zakkk on April 8, 2003 1:33:04 pm
Cricket
http://www.dawn.com/2003/04/08/top2.htm
ISLAMABAD, April 7: Pakistan Tehrik-i-Insaf chairman Imran Khan wants policy changes - from freeing politics from the establishment`s hold, to fighting corruption , to independence from the perceived subservience to America, to a rejuvenated cricket set-up.
Q: Now, to change subjects a bit, what do you think should be done to rejuvenate cricket in Pakistan after the World Cup disaster?
A: The cricket problem in Pakistan is exactly the same as other problems in the country. It is an institutional problem. People like us have studied abroad and have seen the system there. It is very evident why their democracy works. It is because of strong, autonomous institutions which function within their own constitutional orbit. Our cricket has failed because we have not developed the proper institutions. Why these institutions aren`t developing is because there is a vested interest sitting within the (Pakistan) Cricket Board (PCB), just like there are vested interests sitting in parliament which will not allow independent institutions like the judiciary to function because they themselves will lose out.
We have representatives of the sponsors sitting on the cricket board. If we had taken the right decisions and built the PCB into a proper institution, then these people would all lose their jobs. So how do you expect them to allow any change to take place?
...I`ve been telling them that nowhere in the world does there exist a system where the sponsors play their own team. For 20 years - and 10 years as captain - I kept telling them that this is faulty. The only reason we have succeeded in Pakistan is because our players were polished. We have abundant talent in Pakistan. The only good thing we did was that our talent was polished in English county cricket - in another system, not our own system. We were all products of English county cricket. Unfortunately whenever the team did well, the cricket board always used to take the credit. But it should not have taken the credit because the board did not produce cricketers. It has destroyed cricketers.
Had it been a functioning system, then Imran Nazir would be a world class batsman today. And it`s not just me who thinks so. When I saw Imran Nazir, I thought he was potentially a world- class cricket player. Clive Lloyd and Ian Chappel, in front of me, told (PCB chairman) General Tauqir Zia that we had a world- class potential in Imran Nazir. But he has not been picked even after our team has been destroyed. What happened to him? Once a player gets dropped from the national team and goes back into the system, they destroy him.
The other example is Inzamam. He is the greatest batsman that Pakistan cricket has produced in the past 10 years. But I had to fight with the selectors to get him into the team and one selector resigned because of this. He said that you have picked a failure and that he had no potential at all.
Unless we change the structure and build it like it is everywhere in the world on a regional basis, we will always keep changing captains, we will always keep changing coaches, and we will always keep changing selection committees that are going to be the same.
Q: Our generals enjoy a lot of perks and privileges. They get lands, they have clubs, golf courses, etc. Don`t you think this is legalized corruption?
A: We have had democratic governments which had allowed all this lavish colonial lifestyle. Look at the way our prime minister and president live. To me commonsense says that if I don`t have money, I have to tighten my belt. My commonsense does not tell me that I start borrowing money and live the same lavish lifestyle. Therefore, I have never understood why governments of the day never gathered everyone, all the stake-holders together, including the army... and say look, this is the money we have..., there are 140 million people in this country and let`s reinvest in them. Let`s just work out how to share this little small cake.
The Dawn Dialogue panel comprised M. Ziauddin, Raja Asghar, Ihtasham ul Haque, Ahmad Hassan and Aileen Qaiser.
http://www.dawn.com/2003/04/08/top2.htm
ISLAMABAD, April 7: Pakistan Tehrik-i-Insaf chairman Imran Khan wants policy changes - from freeing politics from the establishment`s hold, to fighting corruption , to independence from the perceived subservience to America, to a rejuvenated cricket set-up.
Q: Now, to change subjects a bit, what do you think should be done to rejuvenate cricket in Pakistan after the World Cup disaster?
A: The cricket problem in Pakistan is exactly the same as other problems in the country. It is an institutional problem. People like us have studied abroad and have seen the system there. It is very evident why their democracy works. It is because of strong, autonomous institutions which function within their own constitutional orbit. Our cricket has failed because we have not developed the proper institutions. Why these institutions aren`t developing is because there is a vested interest sitting within the (Pakistan) Cricket Board (PCB), just like there are vested interests sitting in parliament which will not allow independent institutions like the judiciary to function because they themselves will lose out.
We have representatives of the sponsors sitting on the cricket board. If we had taken the right decisions and built the PCB into a proper institution, then these people would all lose their jobs. So how do you expect them to allow any change to take place?
...I`ve been telling them that nowhere in the world does there exist a system where the sponsors play their own team. For 20 years - and 10 years as captain - I kept telling them that this is faulty. The only reason we have succeeded in Pakistan is because our players were polished. We have abundant talent in Pakistan. The only good thing we did was that our talent was polished in English county cricket - in another system, not our own system. We were all products of English county cricket. Unfortunately whenever the team did well, the cricket board always used to take the credit. But it should not have taken the credit because the board did not produce cricketers. It has destroyed cricketers.
Had it been a functioning system, then Imran Nazir would be a world class batsman today. And it`s not just me who thinks so. When I saw Imran Nazir, I thought he was potentially a world- class cricket player. Clive Lloyd and Ian Chappel, in front of me, told (PCB chairman) General Tauqir Zia that we had a world- class potential in Imran Nazir. But he has not been picked even after our team has been destroyed. What happened to him? Once a player gets dropped from the national team and goes back into the system, they destroy him.
The other example is Inzamam. He is the greatest batsman that Pakistan cricket has produced in the past 10 years. But I had to fight with the selectors to get him into the team and one selector resigned because of this. He said that you have picked a failure and that he had no potential at all.
Unless we change the structure and build it like it is everywhere in the world on a regional basis, we will always keep changing captains, we will always keep changing coaches, and we will always keep changing selection committees that are going to be the same.
Q: Our generals enjoy a lot of perks and privileges. They get lands, they have clubs, golf courses, etc. Don`t you think this is legalized corruption?
A: We have had democratic governments which had allowed all this lavish colonial lifestyle. Look at the way our prime minister and president live. To me commonsense says that if I don`t have money, I have to tighten my belt. My commonsense does not tell me that I start borrowing money and live the same lavish lifestyle. Therefore, I have never understood why governments of the day never gathered everyone, all the stake-holders together, including the army... and say look, this is the money we have..., there are 140 million people in this country and let`s reinvest in them. Let`s just work out how to share this little small cake.
The Dawn Dialogue panel comprised M. Ziauddin, Raja Asghar, Ihtasham ul Haque, Ahmad Hassan and Aileen Qaiser.
#3 Posted by fardeen_khan on April 8, 2003 12:50:38 pm
I tend to agree with Mr. Jarrar. I belive the rot in this country of ours is due to the our national culture of Nepotism, Corruption and other such great ``virtues``.
As for the military junta, they love to meddle in the political farme work of pakistan but consider any differing opinon an act of heresy. Some one needs to remind them that ruling a nation is best done with a diverse and not a narrow centered mindset.
But then again, they already probably know that.... They have systematically undermined and destoryed all the national institutions.... I suppose why should PCB be any different....
I am hoping for the day when someone would deliver us from the current lot all knowing of military officers, politicans and beauracracy.
However, that day might never come in my life time.....
As for the military junta, they love to meddle in the political farme work of pakistan but consider any differing opinon an act of heresy. Some one needs to remind them that ruling a nation is best done with a diverse and not a narrow centered mindset.
But then again, they already probably know that.... They have systematically undermined and destoryed all the national institutions.... I suppose why should PCB be any different....
I am hoping for the day when someone would deliver us from the current lot all knowing of military officers, politicans and beauracracy.
However, that day might never come in my life time.....
#2 Posted by temporal on April 8, 2003 11:02:14 am
Jarrar:
kis kis ka gila karaiN, kis kis baat per ro`aiN?... we cannot rid of politics in sports...on a broader canvas...we have to rid of this occupying army...maybe somebody is listening;)
as Ghalib said:
kya rahooN ghurbat maiN khoosh, jub ho havadis ka yeh haal
nama lata hay watan say nama bar aksar khula
rgds,
t
kis kis ka gila karaiN, kis kis baat per ro`aiN?... we cannot rid of politics in sports...on a broader canvas...we have to rid of this occupying army...maybe somebody is listening;)
as Ghalib said:
kya rahooN ghurbat maiN khoosh, jub ho havadis ka yeh haal
nama lata hay watan say nama bar aksar khula
rgds,
t
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