Ahmad Bilal January 26, 2004
#25 Posted by mchowdry on September 30, 2004 11:25:51 pm
Ahmad, sorry to hear of the trouble you had. I hope that it does not repeat itself. Thanks for sharing your story.
#24 Posted by tintingem on April 1, 2004 5:40:18 am
#7 by skept
this is in reference to your query about uzair paracha.
the karachi guy, uzair, was my senior at iba. a great fellow, he was the last person that anyone would associate with terrorists.
so far, none of his friends have any news of him.
we all pray for his safety and well-being.
this is in reference to your query about uzair paracha.
the karachi guy, uzair, was my senior at iba. a great fellow, he was the last person that anyone would associate with terrorists.
so far, none of his friends have any news of him.
we all pray for his safety and well-being.
#23 Posted by AhmadBilal on February 1, 2004 2:51:33 pm
akhanusa,
My friend, now you are not even amusing anymore. And I have to agree with the gentlemen who used the m word for you.
Anyway, just to give you another response for “interrogation” I would like to repeat what I had said earlier. I believe US government is mainly responsible for the Afghan mess up during last two decades, an opinion shared by many Americans themselves. In the 80’s US funding of Madrassas in Pakistan as training camps to create fanatics (read “mujahideen” before 9/11 and “terrorists” after 9/11) for fighting against the Soviets is not a secret. No one deserves to be murdered, whether you talk about the 9/11 victims or the victims in Afghanistan and Iraq. Fanatics cannot be condemned anymore than the people and circumstances which create (and later destroy) them. The people who were brainwashed to fuel the battleground of super powers did not deserve that kind of life and that kind of death. In the end, we are all just so human. And to me, Zia’s version of Islam and Musharraf’s version of liberalism are not any different. Both end up adding nothing to the history except serving interests of a new form of colonialism. Feel free to quote me anywhere on this. I believe in taking responsibility of my words and actions, unlike faceless people hiding behind anonymous nicks.
My friend, now you are not even amusing anymore. And I have to agree with the gentlemen who used the m word for you.
Anyway, just to give you another response for “interrogation” I would like to repeat what I had said earlier. I believe US government is mainly responsible for the Afghan mess up during last two decades, an opinion shared by many Americans themselves. In the 80’s US funding of Madrassas in Pakistan as training camps to create fanatics (read “mujahideen” before 9/11 and “terrorists” after 9/11) for fighting against the Soviets is not a secret. No one deserves to be murdered, whether you talk about the 9/11 victims or the victims in Afghanistan and Iraq. Fanatics cannot be condemned anymore than the people and circumstances which create (and later destroy) them. The people who were brainwashed to fuel the battleground of super powers did not deserve that kind of life and that kind of death. In the end, we are all just so human. And to me, Zia’s version of Islam and Musharraf’s version of liberalism are not any different. Both end up adding nothing to the history except serving interests of a new form of colonialism. Feel free to quote me anywhere on this. I believe in taking responsibility of my words and actions, unlike faceless people hiding behind anonymous nicks.
#22 Posted by akhanusa on January 31, 2004 8:38:19 pm
Ahmad Bilal,
You are on the watch list my friend!! Better stop laughing and start packing up for a solitary confinement where you will be spending next few days!!
You are on the watch list my friend!! Better stop laughing and start packing up for a solitary confinement where you will be spending next few days!!
#21 Posted by AhmadBilal on January 31, 2004 3:39:01 pm
akhanusa,
I must admit that this is one the most amusing responses I have read. Thanks for the entertainment value. By the way, do you happen to watch C-SPAN? If you do, I am sure Department of Homeland Security gets a thousand reports from you everyday.
I must admit that this is one the most amusing responses I have read. Thanks for the entertainment value. By the way, do you happen to watch C-SPAN? If you do, I am sure Department of Homeland Security gets a thousand reports from you everyday.
#20 Posted by akhanusa on January 30, 2004 9:43:25 pm
Ahmad Bilal,
Just to let you know, Department of homeland security has been informed about your response #19. They will contact you next week for interrogation.
Just to let you know, Department of homeland security has been informed about your response #19. They will contact you next week for interrogation.
#19 Posted by Ralph on January 30, 2004 1:32:50 pm
AhmadBilal
You people need to learn to think straight.
In international politics everybody talks a moral game but tries to use everybody else. From its birth Pakistan single-mindedly went about using the US, and later, after Indo-China relations soured, China, against India. On the other hand, India and USSR had a similar relationship.
America did not Islamize and fanaticize Pakistan. Pakistanis themselves did so for their own ideological and pie-in-the-sky strategic reasons. Pakistani army was determined to use Islam as a tool of warfare. Until recently, Chowk was swarming with brilliant strategists like Romair, Ali1, Dionysus, HisShittiness and their kin who believed in this masterly Pakistani Islamist strategy.
It`s bad enough to be stupid. It`s worse to blame your stupidity on someone else.
You people need to learn to think straight.
In international politics everybody talks a moral game but tries to use everybody else. From its birth Pakistan single-mindedly went about using the US, and later, after Indo-China relations soured, China, against India. On the other hand, India and USSR had a similar relationship.
America did not Islamize and fanaticize Pakistan. Pakistanis themselves did so for their own ideological and pie-in-the-sky strategic reasons. Pakistani army was determined to use Islam as a tool of warfare. Until recently, Chowk was swarming with brilliant strategists like Romair, Ali1, Dionysus, HisShittiness and their kin who believed in this masterly Pakistani Islamist strategy.
It`s bad enough to be stupid. It`s worse to blame your stupidity on someone else.
#18 Posted by AhmadBilal on January 30, 2004 7:03:01 am
Although off the topic, your media-driven views on recent history are interesting. I think that the whole Afghan scenario is an example of dirty international power politics at its worst, and one of the greatest human tragedies of our times. The whole country has turned into ruins over the last two decades, and it is not getting any better. The process of converting common people into killing machines in Afghanistan by brainwashing them was initiated and executed by the Americans themselves for their war against the Soviets. Pakistani generals played in their hands in that war, and unfortunately they are still playing in their hands in this so-called war against terrorism. In this war, the people who were once hailed by the Americans as brave freedom fighters are now labeled as terrorists, and being wiped off from the face of this earth by carpet bombing and mass murders of prisoners of war, suffocated and roasted in iron containers. I think the self-proclaimed leader of the civilized world should at least have some moral courage to accept the responsibility for the havoc they have been (and still are) playing with the lives of Afghans.
#17 Posted by bbabu on January 29, 2004 10:50:56 pm
Urstruly #1
`` I feel sorry for all the troubles that you have gone thru but as a matter of fact you should thank heaven because you got off easy. You could have been accused of being the 20th hijackers; just like eight of the 19 hijackers who are still alive and kicking. And after destroying two countries to stone age and killing about 80,000 to 100,000 Muslims no one in America even bothers to ask their government as to what it is doing.``
We can debate the Iraq war to death. There is no reason for neandrathals like the Taliban to exist.
How come I don`t hear stories about how the Mujahdeen drove the Soviets out of Afghanistan anymore ? Proud of their performance against the Yanks ???
`` I feel sorry for all the troubles that you have gone thru but as a matter of fact you should thank heaven because you got off easy. You could have been accused of being the 20th hijackers; just like eight of the 19 hijackers who are still alive and kicking. And after destroying two countries to stone age and killing about 80,000 to 100,000 Muslims no one in America even bothers to ask their government as to what it is doing.``
We can debate the Iraq war to death. There is no reason for neandrathals like the Taliban to exist.
How come I don`t hear stories about how the Mujahdeen drove the Soviets out of Afghanistan anymore ? Proud of their performance against the Yanks ???
#16 Posted by bbabu on January 29, 2004 10:04:59 pm
AhmadBilal #10
`` I certainly don`t consider working in USA a privilege. This is a nation of immigrants, and business reasons drive international hiring for mutual needs. That’s how the global marketplace works. So I shouldn’t be anymore thankful to Americans for letting me work here, than they should be to me for working here. ``
Working in USA legally is a privilege for foreign nationals.
USA has the right to say no to immigrants from Pakistan. Whether it is prudent public policy is another issue.
I feel sorry if the US govt agencies mistreated you. Direct your anger on the Pakistani military generals who nurtured Taliban and Al Qaida.
`` I certainly don`t consider working in USA a privilege. This is a nation of immigrants, and business reasons drive international hiring for mutual needs. That’s how the global marketplace works. So I shouldn’t be anymore thankful to Americans for letting me work here, than they should be to me for working here. ``
Working in USA legally is a privilege for foreign nationals.
USA has the right to say no to immigrants from Pakistan. Whether it is prudent public policy is another issue.
I feel sorry if the US govt agencies mistreated you. Direct your anger on the Pakistani military generals who nurtured Taliban and Al Qaida.
#15 Posted by Princess:) on January 29, 2004 12:24:39 pm
It’s sad what u had to go through. Now it’s common for all Muslim men to face all sorts of issues when it comes down to American government. It could be worst!
#14 Posted by Ras on January 27, 2004 8:58:48 pm
Ahmad Bilal,
Just be glad that you were able to get through the mess.
Your name also reminded me of the late Bilal Ahmad
one of the finest CHOWKIES I had the pleasure to hear
from on this site.
Ras
#13 Posted by sadna on January 27, 2004 8:21:37 pm
Ahmad Bilal
This story might make you feel a little better or it might not :
http://www.thetravelinsider.info/masterterroristlist.htm
Is Your Name On the `Master Terrorist List?
This story might make you feel a little better or it might not :
http://www.thetravelinsider.info/masterterroristlist.htm
Is Your Name On the `Master Terrorist List?
#12 Posted by irfanhamid on January 27, 2004 4:28:15 pm
Bilal,
BJ! How are you sir? In case you don`t remember, you TA`d my course on System Programming back home. Anyways, hang in there sir, things are bound to improve.
As for the aptly-named moron #8. I don`t think you even deserve a response.
Regards,
Irfan Hamid.
BJ! How are you sir? In case you don`t remember, you TA`d my course on System Programming back home. Anyways, hang in there sir, things are bound to improve.
As for the aptly-named moron #8. I don`t think you even deserve a response.
Regards,
Irfan Hamid.
#11 Posted by Pardaisi on January 27, 2004 1:39:45 pm
#10 - Bilal,
Bravo! for your first paragraph...
Dont worry about moron #8. He is riding an ``IT`` horse wihtout a sadle and do not know yet that hair on his thighs are long gone until it is too late when gets off the horse.
Thanks for sharing your experience.
Bravo! for your first paragraph...
Dont worry about moron #8. He is riding an ``IT`` horse wihtout a sadle and do not know yet that hair on his thighs are long gone until it is too late when gets off the horse.
Thanks for sharing your experience.
#10 Posted by AhmadBilal on January 27, 2004 12:53:49 pm
I certainly don`t consider working in USA a privilege. This is a nation of immigrants, and business reasons drive international hiring for mutual needs. That’s how the global marketplace works. So I shouldn’t be anymore thankful to Americans for letting me work here, than they should be to me for working here.
Personally, I think fingerprinting on entry and exit is a good idea, as long as there is no discrimination in the process. But the US agencies have become ridiculously paranoid in the name of homeland security. I know some people who were deported from the airport because they had wrapped certain items in old local newspapers which happened to have photographs of Bin Laden (something very common these days).
Thankfully, attitude of common people in the US northwest is quite the opposite. That’s what makes Seattle one of the friendliest cities in the USA.
Personally, I think fingerprinting on entry and exit is a good idea, as long as there is no discrimination in the process. But the US agencies have become ridiculously paranoid in the name of homeland security. I know some people who were deported from the airport because they had wrapped certain items in old local newspapers which happened to have photographs of Bin Laden (something very common these days).
Thankfully, attitude of common people in the US northwest is quite the opposite. That’s what makes Seattle one of the friendliest cities in the USA.
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