Civilisation That Isn’t

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Please Read - eyewitness report from Falluja
by Jo Wilding

I`m sorry it`s so long, but please, please read and forward widely. The
truth of what`s happening in Falluja has to get out.

Hamoudie, my thoughts are with you.

http://www.onweb.to/palestine/siryo/jo-fallujah-en.html
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posted on 15/04/04 on the Monbiot mailing list
after reading it, all you can do is cry hot tears of anger and desolation
and Bush announced more troops, and ``Analysis: US `emulates` Israeli tactics`` (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3625315.stm)
gets better and better

If any goaragoochaater NGOs illiterates are here they may not be able to read this. What a curse on Pakistan that such types are getting paid to conduct a cultural holocaust on Pakistani muslims.

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A WARNING TO SENATOR KERRRY -- SHAPE UP OR SHIP OUT -- QUIT BEING BUSH`S CLONE -- WHERE IS YOUR IRAQ STRATEGY....?

``Kerry spoke out several times this week to criticize Bush, but in some ways he has boxed himself in with his previous votes and speeches on Iraq. In October 2002, Kerry voted for the congressional resolution authorizing the war, and later he voted for the first installment of money to carry out the military operation. He has consistently assumed a hawkish position on Saddam Hussein and Iraq, and he concurred with Bush that failure would weaken U.S. standing around the world.

As a result, Kerry is not in a position, nor is he inclined, to advocate a withdrawal of or significant reduction in U.S. troops, which some Democrats, including Sen. Robert C. Byrd (W.Va.), are urging. Indeed, Kerry has suggested that more troops may be needed -- a more hawkish position than many Democrats are comfortable with ``](Washington Post)

if this is the position of a Vietnam War opponent Mr. Kerry -- on Iraq`s Nazi Invasion and Stormtrooper`s Occupation of Fallujah -- then Mr. Kerry can very well go to hell..

..Howard Dean was right -- Kerry the Kopy Kat -- a Wornout Washingtonian -- does look like tired old blood -- a Colorless Confused Lackadaisical Loser...

Mr. kerry was picked because of IRAQ.....if he does not spell out -- clearly and precisely -- HOW SOON -- our murdering-and-getting-murdered Boys -- are coming HOME -- to THEIR mothers, fathers, wives and CHILDREN -- from their murderous mission of killing and maiming -- mothers, fathers, wives, sons and daughters -- of a distant foreign land -- that did no harm to us........his candidacy is DOOMED

Unless Mr. Kerry gets off his Iraqi War Horse imitating that Texas Mongol(oid)....our VOTES are again going to that good-for-nothing Trash Can Called -- Nader the Invader Helper...

.....because in November 2004 -- we are NOT going to get rid of -- one Botulism Bush
-- to acquire another.......Kerry the Kolera...

50+ U.S. CITIES HOLDING EMERGENCY IRAQ PROTESTS & new cities are announcing their plans by the hour

Propagate.Promote. Protest.

On April 7th, 2004 Kathy Kelly, three-time nominee for the Nobel Peace Prize and co-founder of Voices in the Wilderness, began a four-month prison sentence at the federal prison in Pekin, Illinois. She was convicted of civil disobedience as a result of her activities at the School of the Americas/WHISC and an ELF tower in Wisconsin. Voices in the Wilderness will soon have information about how to contact Kathy during her time in federal prison. For more information, visit vitw.org, soaw.org or nukewatch.org

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Reply-To: Voices in the Wilderness eMail List emaillist@vitw.org
Subject: Kathy Kelly`s Farewell - Voices in the Wilderness
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 02:38:33
Dear Friends,

Six years ago, in February 1998, I traveled to Iraq with a British Voices in the Wilderness team. The US was threatening another massive bombardment. We decided to go to Fallujah in hopes of better understanding the perspective of people whose marketplace had been bombed, in 1991, by a smart bomb that went astray. The blast instantly killed 150 people and wounded hundreds. By the time of our visit, many more had suffered and died during nearly eight years of brutally punitive economic sanctions. At Fallujah`s main market, we began distributing a leaflet about why we were violating the economic sanctions. Throngs of people pressed toward each of us, eager for leaflets. Separated from my companions and surrounded by people shouting at me as they grabbed leaflets, I began to wonder if this could turn into an ugly scene. One man who spoke English stood in front of me, his eyes blazing. ``You Americans! You Europeans!`` he shouted. ``You come to my home. I show you water you not even give your animals to drink and this is all what we have. And now you want again to kill our children. You cannot kill my son. My son, he was killed in al harb Bush (the first Bush war).`` ``I`m sorry,`` I murmured, ``I`m so very sorry.`` Then his demeanour suddenly changed. ``Ah, Madame,`` he said, his tone softening, ``You are too tired. You come with me, I get you tea.`` He helped me maneuver through the crowd until we reached a falafel stand where he served me tea, insisting that I find my friends and bring them to his home for a meal. Gracious hospitality characterized nearly every encounter I and other Voices travelers to Iraq experienced, for years.

In 1999, I returned to the Fallujah marketplace, this time with our friend Ahmed, a US citizen, born in the Sinai, who translated for us as we encountered a very similar scene. I spotted a child staring pensively at me. He seemed about 11 years of age, quite poor, extremely intense. ``Ahmed, please,`` I asked, ``ask this young man what he is thinking.`` The young boy squared his shoulders and said, ``I am a scholar of the faith.`` Ahmed posed my question again. This time the answer was direct. ``Tell her that I am thinking about how I will become a fighter pilot when I grow up,`` said the boy, whose gaze never swerved from mine, ``so that I can bomb the United States.`` We smiled forlornly. Then Ahmed said, ``Kathy, look, pay attention to this man,`` pointing to an elderly, balding fellow with huge jowls and white whiskers. The man had observed my encounter with the youngster. Large tears rolled down his cheeks.

Peacemaking communities throughout the world have refused to regard Iraqi brothers and sisters as enemies. Efforts to empathize with Iraqis of different ages, ethnicities, religions, classes and stations in life have broadened the antiwar movement. Now our compassion for people in Iraq must encompass non-Iraqis, including Americans, many of them young, tense, and homesick. As I write, we at Voices are anxious, very anxious. Since late March, we`ve read about aggressive military efforts to pacify Fallujah. What does pacification mean, in Iraq, in Fallujah, during this frightening and tragic episode? For the past several days, I`ve been asking friends to help me understand the term ``pacify.`` No explanation seemed satisfactory until one friend bluntly said, ``Look, it means you want to win the peace. So you eliminate anyone who might disturb your peace. You suppress them, or terrify them, or remove them, or kill them.``

I`ll have plenty of time over the next four months (in prison) to ruminate about why it took me days to understand such a forthright concept. I suspect it has to do with a level of denial.

Here in the US, we can continue to disturb ``the peace`` whenever it belies acquiescence to unjust and cruel methods designed to insure maintenance of a way of life, which, compared to the rest of the world, is inordinately comfortable. ``To whom much has been given, much is required`` has been a good mantra for Voices in the Wilderness.

The Wheels of Justice bus tour rolls on, the calendar for speaking engagements fills up each month, and reports from Iraq reach many people through websites and newsletters. Since our campaign began, hundreds of individuals and groups have welcomed me to visit their communities. During the next four months, I hope that all of you will readily rely, as I do, on the speakers, writers and activists available through Voices in the Wilderness to continue outreach and education in your locale.

We remain quite grateful for all of your concern and support.

Sincerely,

Kathy Kelly

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``strict measures had to be taken to root out the evil (Sadam) and religious extremism that is embedded deep inside your country......``

you mean -- evil and religious extremism embedded deep inside MY country -- the United States? .......you can say that again...but y`ll have to substitute Sadam with Bush....:-)

...in November 2004........ inshaallah

# 15 Nasah,
now now take it easy Mr. Nasah. Anger is your greatest enemy you know?.......it is extremely unfortunate that so many innocent people had to die in Iraq but strict measures had to be taken to root out the evil (Saddam) and religious extremism that is embedded deep inside your country. By the way comparing Bush`s administration to Nazi regime........I mean plzzzzzz sir!

#14 echoboom,
You`re a moron...... I couldn`t stop laughing when I read your crap below. I know I`m wasting my time responding to people like you but couldn`t help it this time. Actually it is kind of fun teasing emotional idiots like you once in a while....so here goes....eat some pork, drink some beer and go to bed.........:):):):) And what`s up with that comparison of Musharraf to werewolf?? HAHA :) You crack me up dude!
LONG LIVE USA AND LONG LIVE MUSHARRAF!!

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what RIGHT -- Bush the Mongoloid Barbarian has to destroy the city of Fallujah -- acting like those Nazi Stormtroopers who destroyed Warsaw --

because of the Rsistance? --

Resistance is the birht-right of any invaded occupied country -- if there was no Resistance to the Nazi Blitzkrieg-- all of Europe would have been `United` under the Swastika today --

who gave the mandate to this Murderous Moron from Texas to invade and occupy a foreign sovereign country and then wreak havoc on the populace -- because it is resisting the occupation.......?

and here we are busy asking the White House War Crows -- why that Texas Trash failed to percieve 9/11 .....

.. the QUESTION should be why this Criminal Administration is committing such nazi atrocities in Fallujah, Najaf, Karbala and Baghdad .... to create many MORE 9/11s of the future....

my country stands today on the verge of -- not only political, and financial bankruptcy -- but toal MORAL Bankruptcy...... as well..

Musharraf is barbarian. Bush is barbarian. Blair is Barbarian--anyone who is a goraagoochaater or lover of the so-called western-values IS a barbarian.

Any humanbeing, whether muslim or non-muslim who has a seething hate and anger against the above barbarians is civilised, modern, educated, and a lover of mankind.

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If you are not an illiterate Paki, you should have no problem in reading the following:

Musharraf the were-wolf in wolf`s clothing: The unmuslim .

I would vote for a even a Democratic DOG -- against the monstrosity called George Bush -- any day and any time of the day........

but NOT for John Kerry the Blunder Dog -- if he says that George Bush should not hand over the sovereignty on June third because of Bush`s created chaos and mayhem in Iraq.....

Kerry must spell it out HOW FAST our Murdering Boys are coming home -- to the9ir mothers, wives and their children -- from their Murderous Mission of Mudering Iraqi Children -- otherwise 10 votes from my family are going to Nader the Aplogist for an Invader guy.......and the unworthy Partners-In-Crime the jelly-spine Democrats can GO TO HELL......

now is the turn of the Born Again Bush Barbarians to top the brabarity of Iraqi dead draggers....

... what it tells the world that the born-again Christianity and its culture is thousand times more innovative than Islam and its unculture -- in its barbarity against Iraqi men women and children.... by remote control

16 Iraqi CHILDREN murdered while asleep by the brave US Apache Helicoptors of Bush`s United States -- `unknowingly`.....

three cheers for the great AMERICAN CONSCIENCE -- for lack of it -- in full play ..... in dazzling Red & Blue......

A solid article, Beena. You can be logical and at the same time passionate about some very important issues.

When barbarity is institutionalized in Paki army- what more can we expect??


``India outraged at `mutilated soldiers`

Children in Drass peer out of their shelled home

India says the bodies of six soldiers who went missing near the Line of Control in the disputed Kashmir region last month, have been returned by Pakistan in a mutilated condition.

Military spokesmen in Delhi are refusing to give further details until full post-mortems have been carried out, but they have denounced the action as an ``outrageous violation of international conventions``.

Pakistan has not commented on the allegations. But it has said the soldiers were killed in an attack at the border.

The return of the dead soldiers comes a week after India handed over the bodies of three Pakistani soldiers. .........``

Torture ‘violates’ Geneva accord

WASHINGTON, June 15 (PTI) — Torture and mutilation of six Indian soldiers in Pakistani custody before they were killed amounts to a violation of the Geneva accord and should be “dealt with accordingly,” the Chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff, Gen Hugh Shelton, has said.

The General was replying to a question at a weekend press conference on reports that an ante-mortem report that bodies of the soldiers returned by the Pakistani Army showed they were tortured, their eyes gouged out and noses, ears and other parts cut off before being killed.

“If the condition (of the soldiers) is as you have described it, and if it were, in fact, done by the other side, then, of course, it is a violation of the Geneva convention, and it should be dealt with accordingly,” he said.

On the fighting in Kargil, Defence Secretary William Cohen said that the USA was concerned about the developments there and was encouraging both sides to reduce tension.

“Yes, of course, we are concerned about what’s taking place between India and Pakistan. We are encouraging both countries to try to reduce tensions now that both have demonstrated that they intend to pursue their nuclear development against, certainly, our strong advice and efforts to persuade them not to do so.

“That raises the level of danger to a much higher degree. So, the answer is we’re concerned about it. We watch it. We will try to use our best efforts to encourage them to stand down as such, from intensifying and increasing these tensions.”

nasah,

...am very confused. Although I don`t condone dragging dead bodies through the street, don`t know why that qualifies as an absoloute measure of barbarity, yet when I see children of dead Afghans and Iraqis burried under concrete and mud thanks to a desi cutter, it`s simply collatoral damage and ``unfortunate``. Both were deliberate acts...I would argue that the Iraqi`s are simply being honest with their emotions, while the more ``civilized`` are truely the most barbaric...unable to confront the absoloute terror and barbarity they are guilty of commiting.

So, we`ve ruled out culture, religion, and the more ``advanced`` civilizations as well...which are of course capable of the same kinds of barbarity. What does that say about humanity?

At least the canibals and animals stop killing when they have their fill for the day...