Train to Pakistan 2004 - Heading Back

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#243 by kkkandk

i just stay away from unplugged so i did not notice.

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halur baaz for the record im not a `reporter` if your in karachi ever do drop into my office and i will tell you what i am

-- kkkandk -- glad to know you`re not into debates now with the loony fringe -- however i very much doubt it if your interest (or anyone else`s for that matter) in history or the search for feroz gandhi`s true identity can really be furthered by interacting on sites like this -- im afraid i cant help you on that -- the wise sage by the way should have known, since he is all knowing, that india also released three or was it two soldiers and not just pakistan -- i can see bc that the hate brigade always has new recruits for their misadventures on chowk -- bhot halur baazi hoti hai idhar na

kkk cunum

what you are hoping to digup has no stink. indiras emergency was most obviously due to allahabad high-court. now, if you want to get some juicy stink, talk about how come the english-language free-press of india (the same which wrote a million indictments and judgements on narendra modi) was completely shut-up duringthe emergency. zip-up was total. some free-press when the newsprint was rationed by the govt.

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Kkkandk

Post #236

I am glad to know that you found those excerpts informative.

As to the other questions/queries, well, they are mainly on the personal life of those people and I rather not talk about it, even when I may have some information , unless there is some point to be made or is in some particular context.

For now, would only say that there are lot of rumours. And many are just rumours only.

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Kkkandk


Following excerpts should shed more light and make things more clear with regard to whether Pt Nehru had hatred for Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose or not. Trust you will find these informative, and of interest...

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Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel and Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose, two stalwarts of India`s freedom movement, argued hard over the latter`s attempt to get re-elected as Congress president in 1939.

Patel and Mahatma Gandhi`s differences with Bose over his seeking re-election and other issues of policy have been described in detail in the series, Collected Works of Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel (Volume VIII), edited by P N Chopra.

The volume deals with correspondence Patel had with various leaders as an influential member of the Congress between January 1, 1939 and March 31, 1940.

Bose was adamant ot stand for re-election in view of the `progressive sharpening of the anti-imperialist struggle in India,` adding that the people felt `as in other free countries, the presidential election in India should be brought on the basis of definite problems and programmes.`

However, in a rejoinder, Sardar Patel along with Rajendra Prasad, J B Kripalini and other leaders said, `Hitherto presidential election had been unanimous. Subhasbabu has set up a new precedent.` They asked Bose to reconsider his decision and allow Dr Pattabhi Sitaramayya`s election be unanimous.

Bose refuted the contention and asked Patel and his colleagues in the Congress Working Committee not to take sides in an organised manner as it would be unfair. `If the president is to be elected by the delegates and not be nominated by influential members of the working committee, will Sardar Patel and other leaders withdraw their whip and leave it to the delegates to vote as they like?` Bose asked.

On January 24, 1939, Bose advised Patel not to divide the Congress by putting up Sitaramayya as a candidate after the withdrawal of Maulana Abul Kalam Azad from the race. The very next day, Patel wrote to Jawaharlal Nehru, asking him to issue a statement against Bose, if possible , chronicles the book.

`I have been nominated as a candidate from several provinces... And I have been receiving pressing requests from socialists as well as non-socialists urging me not to retire... It is possible that this impression of mine is not correct and that my re-election is not desired by the majority of delegates. But this could be verified only when the voting takes place on the 29th January and not earlier.` On January 29 he was re-elected Congress president by 203 votes, defeating Sitaramayya.

Soon after Patel, Maulana Azad, Rajendra Prasad and others resigned from the CWC, suggesting the new president be left free to nominate a new committee and frame his own programme.

The volume notes that Sarat Chandra Bose, Subhas Chandra`s brother, wrote a strong letter to Patel for allegedly carrying on a `malicious and vindictive propaganda against the rashtrapati.` Patel refuted that he had claimed Bose`s illness was `faked`. He later said Sarat Bose`s letter was written more in anger than in reason. `After all what answer one can give to such a passionate and abusive denunciation?` he asked.

The volume, which includes documents from official and non-official sources including the private papers of Sardar Patel and confidential records of the Intelligence Bureau, describes the antagonism that existed between Patel, the `iron man of India`, and Bose.

Patel wanted Bose ousted from the presidentship of the Congress and suggested to Dr Rajendra Prasad, in a letter on July 12, 1939, to issue a show cause notice to Netaji for violating the All-India Congress Committee decision on prohibition. Patel found fault with Bose for his attack on the prohibition scheme of the Bombay government.

He pointed out, `the abolition of the drink evil is one of the foremost planks in the Congress platform... It is an irony that Bose now opposes this programme.` Patel especially criticised Bose`s meeting with Muslim League leader Mohammad Ali Jinnah. However, soon after meeting Jinnah, Bose communicated his views to Mahatma Gandhi.

The volume also brings out how Patel cajoled, flattered and even threatened and never failed to air his grievances against the top leaders of the day including Mahatma Gandhi.

With the `internal strife` in the Congress reaching its climax during the Tripuri session, held in March 1939, Bose later resigned from the presidentship and formed the Forward Bloc with his supporters in May.

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Veeresh

Post #226

Thanks for the response.

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what I mean is that over the last few centuries (honourable exceptions aside) the rulers of our part of the world have, in their wisdom, sold out cheap to whoever chose to come our way either by sea or by land, by sword or by trade. We may wish to segregate them into different groups - monarchs, generals, democratically elected rulers, mind-benders, accountants, the works - but fact remains the same.

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As of now, interest is in the part which says democratically elected rulers of India. How have they sold (a questionable term in iteself) cheaply? I would like to see some basis or example on which the above statement is made.

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Currently we blame the generals in Pakistan and the politicians in India, but would it have been much different if it was otherwise?

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Maybe you want to say something but holding back. Otherwise, above seems more on the lines of trying to be equal equal (India/Pakistan) than anything else. Are you saying if situation was reverse (Pakistan had democratically elected rulers and India had Generals as rulers) ?

Kkkandk

Post # 224

Let me try to answer one of your queries.

No, Pt Nehru did not have any hatred for Netaji S C Bose. There has been serious difference of opinions. And it was not just between Pt Nehru and Netaji.

It may surprise many that real differences were between Sardar Patel and Netaji and it was Sardar Patel who did not want Netaji to become President of AICC and it was he who told Pt Nehru to use his influence in AICC and work towards Netaji not becoming President of AICC. And this, when Sardar Patel himself had such big sway, influence in AICC.

I do recall reading about this sometime ago. I may try to find some material on this, later.