A Matter of Destiny

Dear Rsidhar...

Seeing is believing... :) I am glad you are hearing what you want to hear.

I can tell you a number of things about Pakistan as well.... but then you won`t believe it because a) You are not taught to believe anything good about Pakistan b) the Media has made it a habit not to highlight any thing positive, and blow everything negative out of proportion.



Malik99....

You clearly haven`t read much of the Islamic history have you?

In any event... like I pointed out in a previous article.... Islam, the Islam I follow atleast, is a set of values for the individual that works within systems... monarchy, autocracy democracy, secular democracy etc Read Syed Ameer Ali`s History of Saracens.... also read the ``Mesaq-e-Medina`` that important document of statecraft stamped and written in the name of none other than the Holy Prophet (PBUH) himself... You basically have to make a scapegoat ... and that is secularism for you.

Let me spell it out for you.... my secularism is for pragmatic reasons.... it is because I am convinced that given the narrowminded understanding of the doctrine of Islam (or what you think Islam is) that you and your `Ulema` seem to have.... makes it necessary for there to be a separation of church and state.... After all it was bigotry of the Christian Priests especially those notoriously involved in Spain and not the religion of Christ, that led to emergence of secularism... therefore the attitude of the Mullahs, and not Islam itself, necessitates a separation of church and state.

Otherwise... as a believer in the spirit of true Islam... I would want nothing better to have ``true Islam`` that promises freedom, tolerance and equality to be implemented... but I know that my vision of Islam has stiff competition from the intolerant Pagan religion with the same name ... therefore secularism is necessary.

-YLH

Bina Shah,

Just read through your well written and intresting article on naseeb.com. Its good to finally read a feel good essay on something other than politics or religion, however, idiots like echobbom have to bring Islam into EVERYTHING...and he hasnt failed us :
``In fact naseeb.com has done a very SAWAB kaa kaam by providing an eHomeland to the first generation muslims. If like a Nobel an award could be given to an instituition, I am very tempted to call this instituition a MOMIN. ( It brings solace & comfort to an overwhelming humanity in its direst need today)`` post 14 by echoboom.

Weirdos. anyway nice one mate.

re:#34 by Mantolives
Your perceptions differ from mine.
In India, cricket is religion. And religion? Well, it is something else.
Anyway, there is no comparison. Americans love baseball and it is there national sport. But Indians are obsessed about cricket. They drop everything when their team is playing test cricket. People go on sick leave in govt offices. These kind of things do not happen in USA when baseball is being played.
BTW, Indian cricket teams (along with some Pakistani cricket players) in USA are now-a-days organizing matches for charity for a Eye hospital in India. I bought some raffle tickets. Also, saw a practice match. It was fun and back to the old days.
Sridhar
PS: Indian middle class is huge. It is the only class interested in Sport. Your point about India still being poor is well taken. But, it is making serious efforts to make things better for the poor. We hear good things all the time sitting in this part of the world in USA.

RE: Malik99
YLH is quite clear in his logic. What makes sense to him or myself might not for you. Now, your reading of history (Islamic or otherwise) may be very different, but that is your perogative. History is always an interpretative account from an individual`s perspective. What are the facts? You tell us. For me whether they were cultural, scientific, or medical advances - they were, in fact, an enduring significance to Mankind as a whole. These were not made in the name of God or for Islam. The fact that these men/women during the ``Classical Age of Islam`` were Muslims only gives it context. The foundation of this legacy was due to a geographical unity giving rise to an unequalled cross-fertilization of an once isolated tradition. This was a significant moment in time. Contextually, as a ``History of Ideas``, this is severely lacking in our times and what probaby makes Naseeb/Chowk such a magnet. I`m sure Thabit ibn Qurrah who produced many original works and treatises on dozens of topics ranging from medicine to physics had no desire to quantify the energy or effusions passed by a djinn.

An encore, if this was missed: underlined and emphasised.

#26 by echoboom on August 31, 2004 1:16pm PT
Mantolives:23
Agreed.
Just hope and pray that muslims do not get used by such thuGGs and terrorists.
A simple nod in agreement would do.I am confident you do not think or act in accordance with the policy of these thhUGGs.



Muslims make sure you do not become a pawn of these thuGGs & terrorists.

Also Keep an eye on those who are following the agenda of these avowed enemies of muslims so to not let them getaway when the time comes The westernised NGOs are now do-gooding the same job which the evil missionary-mafias of bible/flag varieties did/still do. Musharraf & Shaukat Aziz type of westoxicated scum are in cahoots with such social-engineering projects. Fail them every step of the way. Expose them. Ridicule them.
Make every minute of their move difficult for them.


what these thuGGs know not is that the Fundamentalist, die-hard, staunch muslims know no fear of anyone but Allah. Such thhuGGs & their minions will be made to see their errant ways by their own off-spring right inside their own houses. It is happening everywhere and the colonised Haramee generation is trembling in their westernboots.

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