Confronting Terror

Sattar:

Lastly, I am glad the interacts served as a yoga retreat for you. You have definitely shown signs of improvement(pleasantness).

Just an advice: Don`t be so vulnerable that anyone can easily take advantage of you.

I don`t want to disregard your 3rd para in post # 363. I think you take your interactions on Chowk quite seriously. There are some aspects of any interaction that need to be taken seriously but there are others not worth causing any aggravation to yourself.

Hope you have a nice weekend.
Note: Thank you for your kind compliments.

Re: # 363

Sattar:

I have been meaning to point out one item. Please do not burden my name with this ``Jee`` stuff. Chowk is already blessed with an irritating guy whose posts are stuffed with Jees. It`s annoying and ridiculous. I understand that your intent is different but please avoid that in any future interactions with me.

Regards,

Note: I couldn`t go past the Jee stuff therefore have not been able to read through the rest of your interact. I am sure you must have embellished a few points that I need to look into :)

Rest Later,

Ok Zahra je … have it your way … (… I am giggling … shaking my head … and rolling up my eyes as I write this …)

… but I was being philosophical all along! Didn’t you read my ramblings about religious bent as well as personal failures (and to think I poured out my guts to a total stranger for nothing … this really hurts)? Frequent use of f-word belongs not to the religious part but to the failure part. Although I admit I find its frequent use quite liberating … and wish I could use it more openly at the office. Ok … so I have a foul mouth. But is this really so bad? Must you complain about every little thing that is wrong in this world??

On a somewhat serious note … earlier, way back, I apologized to you fearing that I may have gone too far in pinning a few jokes on you … and to clarify that my intentions were completely, absolutely, with a doubt, unconditionally … honorable. The “honorable intentions” part was important because you-know-who accused me of trying to pick up you-know-who!!!! My realization came within a day or so of my remarks … and I extended a sincere apology without any ifs and buts. Why would you think it was a sham??? Contrast this with his apology … where after being reminded several times … during which he reaffirmed his accusations … he makes light of the matter and calls it jokes that I took too seriously … before suggesting he never made such remarks! C’mon Zahra je … can’t you tell the difference?

And if tahmed will be sending his wife bonsai plants, do you really want me to take the same route … and send his wife bonsai plants? You know this will start another round of accusations (not to mention the use of f-word) … and him and I both will need to get aroma therapy … which will probably cost more than a dollar-ninety-nine … esp. since my hmo will probably refuse to pay for any of this ...

And if this new age fluff is a way to express emotions and feelings (here we go again) … what the heck were people doing before the internet and overnight shipping of bonsai plants? And if communication style is the problem … should we start communicating in java and html code? Do you also think shakespeare would have done better by writing dialogues in bullet format? I think we are witnessing the end of western civilization here.

Ok … ok … don’t get mad. Some of my comments are in jest and are not to be taken seriously. I hope you can tell which is which. In all honesty, I am glad for the exchange of posts we had. Even though you`re a little dense at times, you are a pretty cool person overall. You’d probably make a good marriage-counselor and a drinking buddy. Right now I could use both. So no sweat … take care … and peace out …

Re: # 359

[... finally …

…and the world we live in is a lot more complicated than you think. ]


The world is NOT very complicated. The inhabitants make it more convoluted based on their unique communication styles. You were upset at a series of remarks by an interactor therefore you bombarded your posts with f words. Others may not choose that route - they may express their aggravation differently. Were you following some kind of religious ritual by repeating the f word? I just thought I would rub it in since you happened to promote your religious bent of mind. I did not realize that the f word was part of the religious bent of mind. How amusing!!!

What you consider new age stuff is basically a way to express human emotions and feelings. You are not obligated to follow the same rituals if you do not believe in them. But don`t start preaching against them since you do NOT know how to utilize them effectively.
Nothing wrong with that :)

Lastly, my final recommendation to you is to join a weekend long yoga retreat where you can only inhale fragranced candles and patchouli incense. California is blessed with such outdoor programs/activities. Rather than being a warrior on this board, I recommend that you stay in Warrior 1 and 2 poses for a day or two. You will be a different (more pleasant) Sattar.

Hey, do not forget to send me a nice thank you e-card(from hallmark) after you realize the benefits. Oh, lest I forget, hallmark e-cards are FREE. You can save your $1.99 for some other good work.

Take Care.

Re: # 358

Sattar:

For a change, you are being philosophical. That`s a good sign. You have a point here since you were the one who was hurt. I am an observer but I have also encountered a similar but less severe scenario.

I do not believe that people say sorry for no reason. I would never say sorry to someone if I didn `t mean it. I would care less for anyone on this board or anywhere else. It`s an internal call. In the same token, I do not believe that tahmed extended an apology to you for no reason. Probably, he realized his own weakness and truly meant to apologize. Why is it so difficult to give him the benefit of doubt here?

Just to jog your memory: You had apologized to me way back for something as well. I was not in the loop regarding why you brought my name into the conversation so I ended up seeing an apology from you. I could have taken your apology as a sham. I did not. I have rarely conversed with you, so I was not even sure why you brought my name into the picture. I think it is the same article where TAhmed had made his remark. I hope you can connect the links now. If not then you need to consult your physician for further instructions on your overall well being!

Lastly, either you have the appreciation for Bonsai Plants or you don`t. So, it`s fine if you do not have the appreciation. Just because Tahmed will be sending his wife a Bonsai Plant does not mean that you cannot follow the same route. We always learn a thing or two from those around us. I am glad that I was able to introduce Bonsai Plant to your list of things to look into.

Sattar Bhai Do Numberwalle,
{``Salim …

You are mean and atrocious, and make no bones about it. What gives? And be nice to me. My mother-in-law is visiting, and I could use some fu cking sympathy … you know … ``}

Itni der maaN bataat ho ke tumri susri saas tumre pas awat he. Bhayya, humka maaf kardeyyo, humka bilkool na maaloom tha ke tumri aisee gut huwat he. :)

You have all my sympathy - with or without fornicationary adjectives. :)

You can have atrocious but not mean. Atrocious sounds pretty damn important - like a Roman Consul or something. I will have to look that one up. :)

I don`t have a mother-in-law problem myself. Mine happens to be my grandma`s sister and therefore has some compassion for me as a blood relative. :)

Sorry for the multiple nic, but someone on Chowk is signing me off whenever I log in with my own Salim_Chauhan nic. Jab jab hum lag karate heN, koi murdawa susra humka ``thein thein`` lagaff kar deit he. :(

Salim.

... finally …

…and the world we live in is a lot more complicated than you think. And it is naive to suggest that by trading hallmark cards and sending gifts wrapped in floral-patterned paper will fix everything.

It has nothing to do with such touchy-feely, new age fluff. Neither can a tqm manual with its 7-step program to conflict resolution is of any use here. In the root of these fancy ideas are basic human instincts and values … which is what defines people and make or break nations. And there ain’t no fucking flow chart that can make it happen if the basic ingredients are missing.

But they forget to mention this in college classes and management courses. And the result is crops of feel-good people … armed with laptops, and useless theories and fancy idealism … talking about exotic plants and dollar-ninety-nine cards … as if this crap makes the world go round. Nonsense … it’s all hogwash. Not to mention that the bonsai plant company is making a killing off customers like you … and that hallmark is a cut-throat global corporation looking to turn a profit every quarter. So spare me this feel-good fluff ...

Zahra,

There is hardly any need to withdraw anything … however a sincere admission of error is very much called for (not legally, but in the name of dignity … ahem, ahem). This is what I emphasized in post #354 … and this is what I find lacking in discussions with tahmed Sahib. I don’t think he has a sense of shame or remorse over his remarks. I am giving him a taste of his own medicine … so please don’t pin all the blame on me here.

Zahra je … you’ve been on my case for being unpleasant. At the same time you characterized tahmed’s comments as … “a flippant remark, made in jest, that sattar took too seriously”. Level with me on this now ... do you believe what you wrote?

And by no coincidence, this is what tahmed apologized for. How can I take his apology seriously? It is a sham. Conversely, if a person levels filthy charges against you, belittles your loved ones, reaffirms these charges against you … and later makes light of the matter by claiming it was all in jest … how would you react? Did you think through this when asking me to accept his sweet apology? Who are we kidding here?

Are you being as unbiased here as you’d like to think? I don’t expect an answer … as this is something for you to reflect upon. Yes, we all stand to learn from this episode, and madam, you are no exception.

And in all seriousness … I am not sure if I follow your “angel in disguise” or the “pot calling the kettle black” comment. But what the hell do I know ... I need to grow up and develop an appreciation for bonsai plants first …

Salim …

You are mean and atrocious, and make no bones about it. What gives? And be nice to me. My mother-in-law is visiting, and I could use some fucking sympathy … you know …

Sattar2, {``And must you do this? I mean must you drag these women … with their complexions and weight into all this?``}

As I said earlier, that in itself would be feat - whether picking them up or even dragging them. :)

Peace, my friend. Smoke `em if you got `em. Take five and Cheer up. :)

Re: # 355 Sattar: It`s ok if you did not find the appropriate hallmark card. No harm done. No need to drift back to your unpleasant mode. There is a time for everything. What`s been said in the past cannot be withdrawn. It`s too late. Either you forgive or forget or completely cut off from that person who has hurt your feelings. Just hammering on the same point 10 million times is useless. It`s unhealthy for your own well-being. Obviously, it`s certainly your prerogative to continue your informative exchange.

You are not angel in disguise. Ok. Are you telling me that you have never extended an apology to anyone on Chowk for your flippant remarks? How ironic to see the pot calling the kettle black! That`s hillarious. Grow up!

Salim …

What fucking misunderstanding? This tahmed guy levels disgusting charges against me … then insists it was in jest … then tries to deny making such remarks … and you think it was a misunderstanding? Is this how a decent guy behaves?

And must you do this? I mean must you drag these women … with their complexions and weight into all this? Things are bad enough between me and his highness tauheed ahmed sahib … you are making them worse! Aaaaghhh ….

And where is Zahra?? … She should witness tahmed making an ass of himself. That should teach her not to get carried away with bonsai plants and that fucking hallmark crap she pulled on me …

tahmed,

I don’t know if you are really this stupid or if you just like to play dumb.

You seem to be denying making filthy comments … while simultaneously insisting they were made in jest! tahmed, are you feeling alright??

If you click on the link I provided (my post #129 on this board), it takes you to my post on another board … where I refer you to your post # … where you reaffirmed that sattar is trying to pick up women on chowk. Click through and find for yourself ...

What were you thinking when you re-accused me of this low behavior?

The only lies here are those told by you. And none of this would`ve been necessary if you had admitted your mistake early on ... and sincerely apologized for gross error on your part. But apparently this is too much for your big ego and your big mouth. So go on spinning excuses ... changing your story ... and what not. It only lowers your character.

#350, Tahmed Sahib,
I am managing to stay clear of all altercations. Thank you for your kind advice and making a diplomat out of this warrior. :)

#351, Mr. Sattar2, {``while on the other hand he falsely accuses me, persistently, over time, out of nowhere, of trying to pick up women on chowk``}

First of all, let me admire your bravery and most of all your strength. You may not know it, but judging from the ``Women`` of Chowk UP, I hesitate and shudder to inform you that some of them are ``she-males.`` Also, and here is where praise for your strength or purported strength comes in, many of these are in the not so light, as in weight, category. Yes, they are fat and picking them up would be a feat in itself. So, suffice it to say, that I do not believe you, or anyone else in their sane mind, would even attempt to pick up a woman on Chowk, especially on UP. :)

I am sure there must be some sort of a misunderstanding. Mr. Tahmed is genuinely a very decent person.

There, are you happy now?

Thanks for clearing up a messy situation. :)

Salim (#347),

You skipped over some parts as you quoted me. Here’s what I wrote:

I have not read Salim’s comments … and I am basing my view primarily on what tahmed himself wrote. It seems that despite Salim’s lewd comments … tahmed seems to have a soft corner for him.

It has to do with tahmed’s hypocrisy, and not with you. Read the whole post if it helps. He seems to be employing double standards. One for those he likes (you, who also praises him quite a bit), and one for those he does not get along well with (me, as I’ve told him to stick it at times).

Note that I may not think of your “lewd” comments as lewd. I don’t know till I read them. But that’s not important here. Furthermore, even if your comments are indeed lewd, tahmed may be doing the right thing by being nice to you! However, this too is not important.

The point is the contrast in his behavior: On one hand tahmed is gentle with some (while acknowledging lewdness of their comments) … while on the other hand he falsely accuses me, persistently, over time, out of nowhere, of trying to pick up women on chowk.

To make matters worse, he now insists it was all in jest!!! Wtf?? Such low accusations, followed by claims of jest … point to a filthy mindset. Let’s not pretend that such behavior is even remotely acceptable.

Mr. Chauhan #347 As you can see, this man is desperate to find someone to start exchanging insults with. Having failed with me, he is now trying to bait you into falling to his level. Your statesmanlike response to him is most befitting, as Generalissimo Musharaff would say.