The Ambiguities of Global Terror

Re: # 10 by Salim_Chauhan

``If Muslims as a group set their mind to it and condemn terrorism (whether suicidal or just plain homicidal) and vow that any person associated with recruiting, supporting, financing, or executing such activities will be exposed, ostracized, and punished, I would say that the association of terrorism with Muslims will subside, and may even disappear. May I give you an example? Alcoholism! While there may be many Muslims suffering from this ailment, this particular curse is not associated with Islam or Muslims. The reason is that Muslims, almost universally avoid, abhor, discourage the use of alcohol - all except hamidm sahib. :)
Wouldn`t it be great if we repressed terrorism with such effectiveness?``

There`s a lot of confusion, and in a situation when a neutral person is caught in the violence, he/she turns to this side or that.

I think generally Muslims do agree that suicide bombings are wrong, and may not be justified Islamically. But at the same they also resent attacks on ``Islam`` - not just Muslims.

So the unity you and I wish for can only come about if the Non & pseudo Muslim side ends its attempts to change Islam. Simple lip service doesn`t cut it for the masses. They may not have money, or armies, or technology, but they`re not stupid and are very capable of recognizing the devil in disguise, just like you and I.

I`m not a believer in OBL, for all I know he may still be on CIA payroll and says exactly the things that justify the Western incursions into Muslim space. But like he said, the West needs to back off if they wish to stop the bloodshed, `cause they started this lunacy with their anti-Islamic foreign policies.

:-)~~

nt sahib #9 {``Throughout the history people have been making suicidal attempts for the same reason as today; the only difference is that of the bombs/explosives vs older weapons, thus higher rate of casualty and more dramatic results``}

syed bhai,
Thanks for your comment. Yes, you are right. There have been several examples of suicidal missions in history and certainly the kamikaze episodes came to my mind too - especially since I knew this old Japanese pilot who had flown 345 kamikaze missions. :)

Seriously, my point is that while Muslims may not have a patent on suicide bombing, lately we have become identified with it. While everybody uses chopsticks, one imagines a Chinese person when human association is required with the two sticks.

If Muslims as a group set their mind to it and condemn terrorism (whether suicidal or just plain homicidal) and vow that any person associated with recruiting, supporting, financing, or executing such activities will be exposed, ostracized, and punished, I would say that the association of terrorism with Muslims will subside, and may even disappear. May I give you an example? Alcoholism! While there may be many Muslims suffering from this ailment, this particular curse is not associated with Islam or Muslims. The reason is that Muslims, almost universally avoid, abhor, discourage the use of alcohol - all except hamidm sahib. :)
Wouldn`t it be great if we repressed terrorism with such effectiveness?
Thanks,

Re: # 7 by Salim_Chauhan

Adaab Salim Bhai!

As usual aap ki baat kuch kuch lagti hai aqal ko, but this time there`s slight disagreement.

{``Several years ago and maybe for many centuries this was almost unheard of on a universal scale. While the concept of giving up one`s own life to cause maximum damage on the opposing side or to accomplish a difficult assassination is quite elementary, its proliferation is a modern occurrence and can be attributed to ``Islamic`` motivation. ``}

Throughout the history people have been making suicidal attempts for the same reason as today; the only difference is that of the bombs/explosives vs older weapons, thus higher rate of casualty and more dramatic results. Please note the following:

Kamikaze
Kamikaze (Kamikaze-tokkō-tai 神風特攻隊)(神風 from kami meaning ``god`` and kaze meaning ``wind``) is a Japanese word — usually translated as divine wind — which came into being as the name of a typhoon that is said to have saved Japan from a Mongol invasion fleet led by Kublai Khan, in 1281. In Japanese the name ``kamikaze`` is used only for this typhoon. In the English language, however, the word ``kamikaze`` usually refers to suicide attacks carried out by Japanese aircrews against Allied shipping, towards the end of the Pacific campaign of World War II. -- Wikipedia

Also, please read Robert Pape`s ``Dying to Win`` viz ``its proliferation is a modern occurrence and can be attributed to ``Islamic`` motivation.``

M`asSalaam,
:-)~~

`` U.S. Republican Congressman from Colorado, Tom Tancredo had said that in case of a terrorist nuclear attack on the U.S., Mecca should be bombed. ``

Tom Tancredo is entitled to his views. What is wrong with his view if the fear of US nuclear strike deters terrorist strikes on the American homeland.

Farooq Sahib, {``In other words, the phenomenon has acquired many faces and features, each having its own dynamics and explanations. All the four London bombers were British citizens by birth, educated in the British school system and integrated members of the British society. ...``}

I give you credit for presenting this point of view and an attempt to dilute the effects of terrorism by compartmentalizing the acts into various synthetic bins. My friend, the Reagan administration owns the patent on redefining and teflonizing indefensible policies.

If each region had its own dynamics then why all of a sudden we have this phenomenon called ``suicide bombing`` almost as a daily event? Several years ago and maybe for many centuries this was almost unheard of on a universal scale. While the concept of giving up one`s own life to cause maximum damage on the opposing side or to accomplish a difficult assassination is quite elementary, its proliferation is a modern occurrence and can be attributed to ``Islamic`` motivation. The four Britons were formally British, but their motives, actions, and hopes were entirely `modern`` Muslim.

when was this piece of terrorist apologia written?


When it comes exclusive to the Muslim acts, it is recognized by the London police that the July bombing though “bear the `hallmarks’ of al-Qaeda but that could still mean the bombers were inspired and influenced, rather than directed, by it.”


Umm...what about the video made by Mohd. Sadique Khan, the brit-paki bomber?


``I`ve been working with young Muslims and they`re angry - really angry and nobody wants to talk about this,`` he says. ``When you go up north and see the conditions, it`s like two different countries - and they feel that. The alienation complex comes down to the lack of a cohesive and confident society.


Is it just me but do brit-muslims whine a LOT? Give me a frigging break..IF Laxmi Mittal can make it in the UK, you can too...his ass is as non-white as yours...

Sure there`s two countries...one country inhabited with people trying to make something of themselves...and another brit-pakiland where the inhabitants care more about the palestenians than the fact that their own community is dead last in most measures..

the borders between these two countries are open..no visa required...you`ll just have to ditch that Islamist baggage when you cross over to the good side..

About the Paki connection to the London Bombing..

The jihadist who needed no brainwashing to blow up Aldgate train

But The Independent has uncovered a different picture of Tanweer, one in which the Aldgate bomber is a highly focussed, motivated and independent jihadist, who spent time - without Khan - at a terrorist training camp in Pakistan run by a group linked to the kidnap and murder of an American journalist.

Now we all know militant group means indigenous freedom fighting groups that only got moral and diplomatic support from Pakistan

Import of Improvised Explosives Training equipment from US: UK and Canada looking for Pakistani link to 7/7

London bombers `recorded video in Pakistan` with help of al-Qaeda

By Sean Rayment, Andrew Alderson, Daniel Foggo and Massoud Ansari in Rawalpindi
(Filed: 04/09/2005)

The chilling video message of Mohammad Sidique Khan, the British suicide bomber, was recorded in Pakistan after he was given orders to attack London, MI5 investigators suspect.

I don`t agree with the contention that what is happening in Iraq and what has happened in London are different. Both are terrorst acts, in both innocents die. There have been freedom struggles before Iraq, but the world is yet to see such madness where there is no concern for innocents being killed. I would equate the bombings in Iraq to the Shia-Sunni violence that one sees in Pakistan.

Unfortunately, there is a line of thought amongst Muslim intellectuals that if Muslims are bombed by Muslims it is not terrorism. It was MJ Akbar who wrote that most of the victims of Beslan where Muslim. Does that make it any less an act of terrrorism? Is a school going Muslim girl who dies in a bomb blast at Lal Chowk, Srinagar not a victim of terrorism? Yes the West is doing wrong, but will blowing up your own people solve the problem?

Re: # 1

``The responsibility of defusing Global terror lies with both, the Muslim communities and the West, to show tolerance for each other and strive together to locate the reasons for extremism. ``

This is contrary to the `zero tolerance to terrorism` resolve of the western world...............sure one can see why S saheb wants to be the chief negotiator for the Jehadis..............there is a great role for him to negotiate for a `world peace`..................

Another professor, doctor; another great article; the place is dripping with hope.

Re: # 1

Dear Temporal,

Your comment is great.

.... ki kami nahin ghalib.....eik dhoundo, hazar mil jata hain.

Woh bhi eis chowk par.....

You are correct. [aajkal taalim humaiN buhat paraishaan karti hay…talibaan ka tou khatma ho gaya ...ab taalim bachi hay oos ka bhee naas ho raha hay....}

Uuf allaaaah!!! hum tau kuch keh bhi nahi saktey.

As usual, submitting with humility and respect,

Behram B. Atashband

As the war against international terror continues..............hidden in the puzzle that exists at global level, and in this “fog of rhetoric,`` little seems to be clear.

dear S:

( is the s for syed?...hamidm help)

sirji aap bhee bata di`ji`aye aap kis university say nikalay ga’aye haiN… maaf kijiaye….kahaan say farigh e ….woh kya laf’z hay?...tehsil? Zillah? taalim? Naazim? …hu’aye haiN?

aajkal taalim humaiN buhat paraishaan karti hay…talibaan ka tou khatma ho gaya ...ab taalim bachi hay oos ka bhee naas ho raha hay....

As the war against international terror continues, it has generated a variety of dimensions, many beyond the scope of initial estimates

yeh ‘dimesion’ kahan k ikheer hay?...aur is kheer maiN ‘initial estimates’ kis nay mila’aye haiN?

The latest bomb blasts (July 7, 2005) in Britain, send a message that this dilemma is not confined to the Jihadi outfits in the Muslim countries alone, but has its placement, even within the Western societies.

…this belongs in the realms of brilliant introspection… just brilliant…without this masterful interpretation it is so easy to mistake the bombing in London with one that routinely takes place in that new bastion of freedom…not not Charsadda…i meant eyerack

In other words, the phenomenon has acquired many faces and features, each having its own dynamics and explanations.

wah bhai wah….agar aap mushairay maiN paRhtay tou mukarrar mukarrar ki sadaiN aateeN

wah kya baat paida ki hay…yaani sha’er kehta hay aye mehboob…maiN jahaan jahaaN bhe gaya tujhay dhoondnay ko… spain, UK, bali, karachi…jahaan bhee yeh joos’tu’joo lay gaee mujhay wahaN maiN nay srif tujh ko hee paya O OBL mehboob meray…

aur aagay chaliN? No doubt they took out their frustrations in a horrible way, but was it a part of international Jihadi network?

hai qurban jaoon maiN…wah wah….kya naam bataya thaa apnay school ka?

Or did the carry out their act for some home grown reason? These are the questions that remain hidden in the puzzle that exists at global level, and in this “fog of rhetoric,`` little seems to be clear.

wah maan ga’aye hum mr S…walllah maan ga’aye… with what brilliance you have captured the fog of rhetoric

mashahaha

with ever greater humility and respect and awe ( go bawa-ji beat that)

t