Let's Kill All The Moslems

it wouldn't be hard to kill all of you slime. A couple nukes dropped on Mecca and Medina during the hajj, several nukes dropped on Indonesia, Pakistan, Bangladesh and the muslim parts of India, several nukes dropped on Iran, Turkey, Syria and throughout north africa. Most muslims would be instantly vaporized, and all the survivors would die of radiation, starvation etc. Anyone who didn't die wouldn't be a threat to anybody. And then we could round up all you muslim dogs in america and europe and we could execute the lot of you. Then we could roam the streets looking for muslims that we missed

within a couple decades the general public will be ok with this, because their eyes will have been opened to the true uglyness and foulness of muslims, islam and their beast of a false prophet. When that day comes, the streets will run red with muslim blood, and it will be orgasmic

WHY EVERY RELIOGION HAS PROBLEMS ONLY WITH MUSLIMS ONLY?WHY THERE IS NO SUCCESSFUL MUSLIM DEMOCRACY ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD NOW OR BEFORE?hOW PAKISTAN SOLVED ITS MINORITY PROBLEM PERMANENTLY?LEST U FORGET Competitive Massacre

Posted Monday, Sep. 8, 1947
While the orchestra at Lahore`s Falett`s Hotel played quietly for dancing, European guests drank cocktails on the moonlit terrace. Beyond earshot of the music, whole blocks of buildings lay gutted. Streets were bare and silent. Over the deserted railroad station the smell of corpses hung.
One-seventh of Lahore, capital of the Punjab, had been destroyed. Scores of nearby towns and villages had been razed. War—or rather, competitive massacre—between Moslems and Sikhs had reached a pitch of horror that made the Indian Mutiny of 1857 look like a mere street brawl. In two weeks, between 40,000 and 150,000 people had been killed in the Punjab. Most of the bodies were too hacked and charred to be recognized. At least a million were homeless.
``Never during two wars have I seen such sights as I have seen these last two days,`` said a middle-aged British colonel at Lahore airport. ``All those atrocity yarns we used to hear, such as Germans cutting Belgian children`s hands off and raping and then killing women, have suddenly come true in the Punjab during the last week.``
``The Joy of Fraternization.`` For months the Punjab`s communal hatred had been boiling up into slaughter. A previous climax came last spring when hundreds were killed in riots there (TIME, March 17). In mid-August the partition of the Punjab between India and Pakistan left 1.6 of the 3.8 million Sikhs in the province under Moslem rule; at least twice as many Moslems remained on the Indian side of the border in a new East Punjab state.
The Sikhs are an offshoot of the Hindu religion; they organized 300 years ago to resist militantly Moslem oppression. The British had used the warlike Sikhs extensively, giving them land and offices, especially in the fertile, predominantly Moslem West Punjab. In consequence, the Moslems hate Sikhs far more than they do Hindus.
The rest of India was relatively quiet. In once turbulent Calcutta, Mohandas K. Gandhi, still striving for Hindu-Moslem unity, was able to write of the situation there: ``One might almost say the joy of fraternization is leaping up from hour to hour.``
There was no fraternization in the Punjab. At Amritsar, on the Indian side of the border, organized gangs of Sikhs had exterminated or driven out the Moslem minority population (150,000). Moslems in Lahore and other Pakistan border regions retaliated against the Hindus and Sikhs there.
Mohamed Ali Jinnah, who had conceived Pakistan in hatred and was now its president and undisputed boss, sent to the West Punjab as governor his faithful follower, the Khan of Momdot. The bland, moonfaced Khan had served four years in the Punjab Legislative Assembly without opening his mouth. When he got to the West Punjab, he acted. With his province literally in flames, the Khan of Momdot relaxed regulations that had restricted the carrying of firearms; he also decreed that every man could wear a sword, provided it was covered.
Some of his subordinates went further. The Moslem deputy commissioner of one of the Western Punjab districts mourned a son killed on the Indian side of the border. Said he to the young Moslems: ``You have full liberty to go the limit.
Take revenge as you like, but if there is one Hindu or Sikh left alive in my district after you are through, I swear to kill them myself.``

The Canal Turned Pink. TIME Correspondent Robert Neville flew over the area last week, then talked with refugees and correspondents fleeing from the carnage. Neville cabled:
``Just flying over the Punjab today with a landing here & there gives a feeling that terrible things have happened below. The number of smoking villages that can be counted from Ambala up to Lahore must be at least 150. Here & there can be seen a big town like Sialkot and Gujranwala, where charred black districts tell the story that here the property of one entire community was wiped out.
``The panorama of West Punjab seems even worse. In hitherto peaceful districts like Montgomery and Lyallpur there is not one town which has not been a battlefield. There is no bazaar which has not been burned out. Streams of refugees can be seen approaching all bridges, and over some roads they form virtual convoys miles long. On a ten-mile stretch of road leading to the big bridge over the Sutlej River into Pakistan, there must have been 100,000 people, most of them walking beside bullock carts piled high with their sole possessions.
``At Lahore`s Central Station, Sikh and Hindu refugees from North or West Punjab were mobbed on the platform, often stabbed to death and their few belongings looted. A major incident involved a big convoy carrying perhaps 1,000 from Sialkot to Amritsar. The convoy was stopped and attacked at the Ravi River bridge. Hundreds were stabbed to death and other hundreds wounded.
``Refugees from Lyallpur in West Punjab say that so many Sikhs and Hindus were murdered and their bodies thrown into the canal that the canal actually had a pinkish color for a day after. Moslem refugees told how Sikhs stripped and paraded Moslem women through the streets, raped them and then killed them. British correspondents reported having seen dead, naked women lying about villages of the Amritsar district.``
A Look of Satisfaction. ``Although railway administrations of both Dominions have doggedly tried to keep a skeleton schedule going, they have now given up. For days on end no trains arrived in Delhi without having been attacked and looted practically all along the route.
``Near Jullundur, a band of Sikhs held up a train, methodically searched all compartments and pulled out 17 Moslems, whom they beheaded on the platform. Most amazing of all was the look of bland satisfaction on the faces of these young Sikh men, their hands dripping blood, their clothes smeared with blood, as they stood and grinned at their handiwork while the train finally pulled out. The only Moslems who escaped on this trip were two who were hidden by two British officers under their baggage.
``A British correspondent traveling in the opposite direction through this territory saw half a dozen lying stabbed on the Lahore platform, slowly dying without any help being given. Later that night, on a small siding south of Amritsar, a band of Sikhs entered his compartment and before his eyes beheaded a Moslem apparently trying to travel disguised as a Hindu. (For identification, both sides use the tried and true means of seeing whether there has been circumcision. Moslems always circumcize, the Hindus and Sikhs practically never.)
``A member of the U.S. Embassy arrived in Lahore from Delhi with another tale of horror. Reaching the small station of Okara, near Montgomery, he found the station platform utterly deserted except for several hundred dead Hindus and Sikhs lying around the platform, apparently slaughtered only a few hours before while waiting for the train to escape. All these people were workers in a textile mill which had been attacked by Moslems. Their bodies were mostly stripped and in several instances limbs had been torn from the bodies. The wife of a British textile factory manager told how a Moslem mob had attacked the Hindu and Sikh workers in another factory. When Moslems broke into the ground floor, the Sikhs slashed the throats of their own wives, and afterwards tried to fight through themselves. All were killed.``
Authorities were utterly unable to cope with the situation. In many cases both Sikh and Moslem police had participated in the riots. British soldiers, present in the Punjab, were not allowed to interfere under the arrangements now in force for Indian independence.
No Plans. For the homeless, crippled refugees, no one had anticipated relief measures. In New Delhi a penniless Hindu woman from the West Punjab clutched her two children, told of her husband`s murder by Moslems. ``Don`t ask her about her plans,`` cautioned a welfare official, ``she hasn`t any and neither have we.``
The rioting was breaking down railroad traffic between parts of India and Pakistan. Unless it was soon restored, both nations, especially Pakistan, would be economically crippled. Fearing that the Punjab rioting would spread, millions of Hindus and Moslems prepared to cross borders in a transfer of population greater than Europe had ever seen.
In his new capital, Karachi, Jinnah preached that ``restraint is necessary.`` However, the fires of communal hatred, which he had fanned for 20 years, were burning too brightly in the Punjab to be easily stifled. They might spread


From the Sep. 8, 1947 issue of TIME magazine

Re: # 256


Ahmer,

It`s OK Ahmer. We may bicker on other boards, so I dont like to take your apologies.

I tempered my language to Mr. Shah as a matter of respect as he`s is one of the fast

vanishing breed of old generation elders.

One Mr. Babu somewhere mentioned, we fight on these boards but not

on the real battle fields.

VRV,

Man listen, i wasnt ripping on ur english. You seem like a decent guy, i was merely retaliating to the hostile posts from some of the KHASI`S. People who know me personally know that I am not a hater. I have no qualms about being a pakistani and i feel truly blessed that i am a Muslim, some pakistanis don`t like me because i am against status quo and also because i am a firm believer that the loyalities of Indian Muslims should lie with the country that they are a citizen of. Pakistani establishment has used and abused emotions of both Kashmiris and Indian Muslims for their personal gains, which are not necessarily gains for the pakistan as a nation. That is not to say that Indian government is any better. But thats a different discussion. My apologies, i thought u were a communal bigot, u r not obviously so my most sincere apologies.

Mr. Shah,

Thank you. As for a small point of misunderstanding (tears.. 1000 yeras...); I heard this now. If Indira Gandhi said this then these people subsconsciously think on those lines. Nevertheless, she`s an unworthy daughter of Nehru. She`s the lady who tore apart the standards of domestic politics and foisted the family rule in India. (Nehru let her into politics but never made her a PM nor treated Congress party as personal fiefdom). Nehru would have never spoken like that (1000 yrs..).

Muquddum:

That`s reality. Bhutto wanted to integrate Pakistan with the rest of Muslim world. When arabs themselves live on the lines of tribes, how on earth would they allow merger of all muslims as one unit? However there can be a common thread of Muslim interests... we cant deny that... but people craving for arab connections is rooted in the thousands of years of our approach to the race of ourselves and those of others around us.. deeply ingrained.......perhaps there lies the gene of our caste system...

Ahmer:

I am guilty of my English if the barb is meant for me. I am studying in UK for the first time in English for a PG degree, else all my education was in southern vernacular medium up to bachelors degree... thefore I am giulty of my English not to mention that I dont do II reading b4 I post my msg.

Indian English is an international dialect of English. Withing India we have many unofficial dialects (at least 10) not to mention Indianisms.

I find it difficult to understand what Pranab Mukherjee or Mamata Banerjee or sometimes OP. Chautala or AK Antony says. Many in the north complain that accent too south Indian. Within south India we have 3-4 styles of speaking and some local English words specific to our regions....India is a very big country......

Re #240

One does not understand why most subcontinental muslims are all the time trying to trace their ancestry to either Iran or Arabia or Turkey. Does it make them superior or are they ashamed of their land of origin? 99.99% of the 45 Cr muslims of the subcontinent are fifth or sixth generation( you could go back a couple of generations more) muslim converts with their ancestry firmly rooted in Hinduism, which means there may be 45 lac (seems on the higher side) Muslims who could in some way claim foreign ancestry whereas the rest 44.55 Cr are just plain Indian Muslims . One wonders what is the cause of this affixation . We had a muslim friend from Bahadurgarh whose elders told him that they still had lands in Basra. This burning urge to disclaim the Indian origins and claim foreign ancestry can be quite ludicrous at times. A few years ago 95% muslims from Bangladesh claimed that they had Persian or Arab ancesters. The fact that their mother tongues continue to be Indian languages like Hindi, Punjabi, Sindhi or Bengali should convince these misguided pretenders of their real heritage.
One cannot see other Muslim communities any where in the world afflicted by this syndrome.

Re: # 248

VRV

``I find some sarcasm in the last sentence (...thousand years of tears.). Never mind.``

Thank you dear VRV. I find a complete meeting of minds between us but for your remark quoted above. On a point of explanation I would say that I never intended any sarcasm by quoting verbatim the words of late Indra Gandhi which she had spoken while commenting at the fall of Decca in 1971.

You say:

``The social setup among Hindus unchanged. It was also the case in the case of Muslims in Pakistan. They retained these social customs and structure. You have this lower and upper castes in Pakistan. I read that Wasim Akram`s wife (though a doctor) refused sit with Yousuf Youhana`s (now Mohammed Yosuf) wife in Australia, coz Yousuf was from a lower caste.``

You are right here. If a low cast non-Muslim coverts to Islam he is called a `musalli` and treated like Sudra`s by Hindus. BTW, Y.Y. had happened to captain the paky cricket team in Australia but paki muslims did not like it. I had seen a protest in the paki media by a chiristian writer about the remarks of a muslim he had heard while watching commentary on the match in Australia. The paki muslim had said, ``How Pakistani team can win the match when they have made a `Choorha` their captain``.

That Y.Y. has now become an M.Y. but his mentality remained the same. What a ghostly scene he made by raising his hinds in the Oval cricket ground when he made a century the other day. It looked satanic involving God in cricket and a bad show of his low cast which is a matter of genes and hardly changes with the change of religion.

Regards

Correction:

There was indeed several strands of thoughts on religion and folklore that some people within Hindu fold resented this idol worship. Therefore people accepting this new faith was not a hindrance at all.

Pl read as:

There were indeed several strands of thought on religion and folklore that some people within Hindu fold resented this idol worship. Therefore people accepting this new faith, Islam was not a hindrance at all.

Mr. Shah,

Let me be very specific to your question..``how vast majority of Hindus could not only resist conversion to Islam but also kept their social fabric and ego intact despite a thousand years of tears.``

Conversions are possible in societies where people are receptive to new theologies and gods. Since Hindus are pantheistic, it didn`t matter if there is a new god even if it`s opposed to idol worship. There was indeed several strands of thoughts on religion and folklore that some people within Hindu fold resented this idol worship. Therefore people accepting this new faith was not a hindrance at all. We cant of course deny that there was no state patronage.

As for Hindus retaining the old social setup is painful reality. That`s a separate subject altogether. You can see that Muslims too retained their ancestral setup in their new faiths.

The rigidity of Hindu social setup was tried for reformation by many saints, reformers and some English rulers (eg. Bentick abolished Sati) though English exploited the social, religous divisions (Hindu, Muslims divisions and divide and Rukle Policy for eg) to their advantage. Despite all this the socail system survived in one form or the other. Though rural India is a specimen of this age-old relic, changes occurred if any were cosmetic, not real. It was equally true for the Muslims in Pakistan in a modified way.

Sincerely,
VRV.

#246 by ahmek23

So please don`t take this stuff personally but i just can`t indulge in any converstaion besides bollywood, donuts or motels.

It shows in your half-assed article Ahmek23 mian, you don`t have to emphasize it over and over again. BTW, how many Kafirs did you stone to death today and how many concubines did you take as war booty?

Ref ahmer23 #246

[...You guys are good at dancing, making wicked songs & movies and thank you for making our lives easier by making fresh donuts every morning. I sincerely apprecaite it. So please don`t take this stuff personally but i just can`t indulge in any converstaion besides bollywood, donuts or motels. This is what you guys are good at, stick with it.]

And since you guys are good at terrorism (Daniel Pearl, London subway bombing and now Heathrow airport plot, Yusuf Ramzi and the World Trade Center in 1991, etc., etc., etc.), you would understand if we benighted Hindus can`t have a conversation with a Paki, usually named Butt-Fakhr and quite appropriately so, except on the issue of terrorism.

PS. What exactly do you jihadis plan to do with the ghilmans you get in jannat? Inquiring minds want to know!

Re: # 247

Mr. Shah,

I find some sarcasm in the last sentence (...thuosand years of tears.). Never mind.

Indian society is caste-ridden but not iron-clad like an arab society where non-muslims are shunned from giving influence. It was not so in the case of peripheral arab countries like Syria, Egypt et al.

The word Hindu is a misnomer. It`s like Chinese people are suposed to be following Chinese religion. There`s nothing like Hindu (Indian) religion. I hope you know the origin and meaning of word Hind and its variants. Sindhi native god Zhulelal is not a god to Bengalis or Tamils, simply put non-Sindhis. However a Hindu would never hate or disprove such gods from other sub-faiths and systems. There are village, town and region-specific gods in Indian subcontinent. That`s the basic nature of Hindusim. It became so popular and came to be known as Hindu religion and Hindu culture. I can compare this word Hindu with contemporary word Bollywood, a misnomer.

If we talk about the corpus of Hindu religious literature, we have a range of mythology, literary, vedic, philosophical treatises that are loosely coopted as religious books. Adaptation of Bahgavadgita as a Hindu equivalent of Bible or Quran is a recent phenomenon (19-20th century).

Conversion as I said happened at different levels. India was a virgin field for conversions in a loose sense. Conversions were resisted in southern India way back in the first century AD, when Christ`s apostle St.Thomas came to the shores of India for propagation of his new religion. He was killed in Madras and his grave is still there at Saint Thomas Mount in Madras. I dont like to raise the topic of Christ himself coming to Kashmir and getting buried here, a version that was not taken kindly by orthodox Christians.

If we talk about conversion within the bossom of native religions of India like Jainism, Buddhism, Saivism and Vaishnivism etc., there are many waves of such conversions and cross-conversions in different regions at different ages of Indian subcontinent. Tha melting pot underwent many changes when the first Muslim conqueros set foot on Indain soil. The subsequent abstraction of Hindu religion, Islam and Christinaity are are well documented for us to see. We also know who did what. British came with Missionaries and we can see every province has Ecclesiastical Depts in all provinces and Princely states of India. In fact the Indian prices funded them from their taxes (I need to recheck this for certainty, about funding). Conversion is a natural consequence in all conquests of India, whether it`s Muslim invaders or British.

As for your specific point of Hidnus resisting it: Yes, resisted at different levels but also invited at different levels. I dont like to sound sanctimonius about any point of greatness but the conglomerate of native religions (Hindu) survived despite the tyrannies of the likes of Aurangzeb (Jazya, ban of Deepavali cenlebrations etc). There was a continuity to this saga of survival. I shall narrate some small incidents during 1947.

The social setup among Hindus unchanged. It was also the case in the case of Muslims in Pakistan. They retained these social customs and structure. You have this lower and upper castes in Pakistan. I read that Wasim Akram`s wife (though a doctor) refused sit with Yousuf Youhana`s (now Mohammed Yosuf) wife in Australia, coz Yousuf was from a lower caste.

I hear in UK very often, people telling (mostly Punjabis) that they Jats, Rajputs etc... means they retained this social system though they were in an egalitarian religion. Marriages are, like among Hindus are within their communities, which I find it bizarre.

In 1947, some perons were converted at knife points. Some agreed some died than getting converted. In one case, the person in question convinced his captors that he need to convince his wife and family and went home and killed everybody in his house, i/o getting converted. I can give an instanteneous list of surnames of such people converted at knife point during 1947. Muslim Sethis, Randhwas, Bajwas, Sandhus, Bhattis, Butts(Bhats), Maliks, Nehrus, Gills, Chauhans, Ranas, Rathores..... a big list. Most of them are not voluntary converts. Some stayed for properties, some were threatened during 1947. Whoever converted b4 1947 could be voluntary converts. There were frengied attempts to convert people to Islam on Pakistan side, there was none from Sikhs and Hindus to convert Muslims on Indian side. This is a clear evidence of who was attempting this who were not. This in itself is an evidence of the possible historical events (before 1947) in the realm of religious conversions. There are many newspaper reports on this kind of conversion on Pak side during 1947.

I hope you have enough reading material at your disposal on this subject. I am afraid I replied to your satisfaction.


Sincerely,

# 238 and 240

VRV and Ahmer

I thank you both for your kind response. I am however sorry to say that you both missed my point. I did not intend to compare Islam and Hinduism but simply wanted to discuss how vast majority of Hindus could not only resist conversion to Islam but also kept their social fabric and ego intact despite a thousand years of tears.

Ahmer

You say you are not a covert but an ethnic Arab. But see what the Qurn says about Arab converts:

``Aayat 14, soorae hujraat (49) mein Allah farmata he:
``Kaha ganwaron (Arab Awam) ne kih imaan laae ham. Keh nah iman laae tum lekin kaho `Musalman` yehni maghloob hue ham aur abhi nahin daakhil hua iman biich tumhare dilonN meiN aur agar farmanbardari karo allah aur rasool uske ki nahin kam dega tumhaare amloN se kuchh. Tehqiq allah bakhshne wala mehrban he.``

Man i wish i could speak ``Indian``. There is always a language barrier so i am sure there have been insults hurled at me in the posts from these simple ``non-violent`` hindus but i can`t respond since i don`t speak ``veggie``.

I have always found amazing and i am sure that i am not the only one who has come across this that most indians wouldnt be able to speak english if there life was depending on it, but regardless they insist on speaking it like it was there GOD-given right. It`s funny as hell that even when they are speaking amongst themselves they insist on butchering english (i guess its a payback for the occupation), and the funniest thing is that only another indian can understand that english. If a brit was to enter there converstaion, he would be like, ``i am sorry i don`t speak chineese``. So even though i am not a brit, i do have sincere shortcoming of not comprehending most times as to what the hell you guys are talking about. and please for the love of GOD stop shaking ur head, it confuses the hell out of people whether you are saying yes or no.

All of you obviously I am making fun becuase i really can`t have a serious discussion about religion and theology with people that seem to believe that one of there lord wandered off in a jungle while his ``wife`` was taking a leak. When he came back the child that the wife entrusted him with, had his head chewed off by an animal, so in order to avoid the wrath of the wife, the obvious choice was to attach an elephant head on the baby, who grew up to be another of the GOD. i mean there is just so much material here for comedy, where do i start? So I won`t. I am sorry i don`t mean to make fun of your religion but i don`t have the patience nor do i think you have the intellect to discuss complex matters of theology. I love all human beings, i don`t get along with stupid one`s, still doesnt mean i hate them. You guys are good at dancing, making wicked songs & movies and thank you for making our lives easier by making fresh donuts every morning. I sincerely apprecaite it. So please don`t take this stuff personally but i just can`t indulge in any converstaion besides bollywood, donuts or motels. This is what you guys are good at, stick with it.

Re: # 241

It`s true.

Once in Arabia, when Ahmer`s grrrrrrrrrreat grand parents were worshipping Manat, Mohammed preached Islam in an open society. When Arabia is converted to Islam, they fortified it against new ideas and other religions. Pre-islamic free and open society was gone and the rigid, puritanical society came in its place. As the saying goes, banyan tree doesn`t allow other trees to grow around it. Amrika could become like this in future. yes are on dot.

Ref ahmer23 #240

[.... to assume that the converts in sub-continent merely converted just so they can be part of the ruling elite is as juvenile an assumption as they come. It`s rather unfair to malign the converts as mere opportunists who were trying to get some favors from the state..... Could it be that It`s just easier to worship an Ilah who is one & all powerful rather than worshiping cows...]

Er, not quite true.

Cows don`t threaten you with eternal Hell and brimstone if you don`t worship them, nor do they offer you the bribe of 72 houris and 24 ghilmans if you do worship them. In fact, cows are just placid animals chewing their cud instead of planning their next set of tortures on an unbelieving -- sorry, unsuspecting -- public. So cows are pretty okay in my book.

PS. Is it true that the houris in jannat do not have an opening in the anatomically desirable location and this is how they maintain their virginity?

Exactly what do Muslim men do with ghilmans who I presume are male? Same as what they do with prepubescent boys in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan?

PPS. Considering that you have an affinity for ghilmans, would you join NAMBLA and do subscribe to child porn? The latter is a criminal offense and might get you serious jail time.