The Seventh Wave - Pakistan’s Chance to Achieve Escape Velocity

Re: # 37
In this global economy, the efficiency is already being built in, that the technical world needs the best brains, and not the cheapest brains. And that is where Pakistanis are.

Ans: How you claim to be best? How many papers does Pakistani reasearch scholars/engineers publish in international forums like IEEE? Please enlighten me. From my work experience, the best talent (I have seen) are Jews (in IT Industry) and Russians. Indians, Chinese and Japanese are following. Vietnam is the rising and may match any time.

Re: # 68
Specifically to the issue of Semiconductor industry, you have well entrenched players (Far east countries in Manufacturing and countries like India, Israel and other players in Design) to compete for business...

Ans: Man, some point of time, you should enter the business and compete with existing players. Israel was the only destination for hi-tech R & D and manufacturing for US based MNCs in eastern front. Now, they are using China and India also. India had lost the Intel Chip plant to China. Anyhow, TI, Intel, AMD, IBM, Flextronics, Nxp etc. design chips from India.

Brazil, Russia, India and China.

Re: # 33
Pakistanis are second to none when given the right environment and opportunity
Ans: USA is the technical super power for last 40 years. If, Pakistan complains about opportunity, it turns out to be excuse (they are with USA for long time).
The generic wisdom is, you have to create opportunity rather wait for it.
If Pakistanis have required skill, they can ghet trained by US industry and universities. If they need money, Saudi Arabi can provide that.

#77, thanks

Re: # 76

We ALL can download this SETI program on our PCs and monitor the radio msgs recd from space on realtime basis.

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/

Plain simple and very exciting to have that on our PCs.

Just a clarification, by probability analysis, I was suggesting that since there is no shortage of planets in the universe, it is possible that others exist like the earth on which life is found or others different than the earth on which different kind of life is found. That is the inspiration behind SETI, if it was impossible, I doubt scientists would waste time effort and money looking for it.

Asadi:

Thank you very much for your post. Given your sincerity, and given my lack of a better answer, I shall tell my daughter exactly what the Koran says.

Yet, you make a mistake when you say:

``If you seek probability analysis in seeking the answer than it is more than probable that it does.``

NO, it does not if your prior belief is that:

``With probability one there exits no other place, except for earth, where life exists``

p.s.: You need to tell me more about the arabic verse.

GT writes <<< Is there life in some location in the universe that is not our planet: the earth? >>>

Since the question is off topic, I will make only one post on it here and chowk-staff is more than welcome to erase it, since unlike my other posts this is off-topic and since whenever the Quran is mentioned the mirasis on here, the dumbest among them have to expand discussions beyond absurdity, in which I am not interested, so ONE post. Ok, to your question,

If you seek empirical verification of life in the universe other on earth, it has not been verified. If you seek probability analysis in seeking the answer than it is more than probable that it does. That is the extent of human knowledge on the subject to date. If I have missed something please enlighten me.

Regarding your 2nd question, <<< What does the Koran say about the answer to the previous question? More importantly, why does it say so? >>>

Why the Quran says what it says is an easy one to answer concerning this question. The Quran claims to come from the creator of the universe, the creator of life, so if he created life in areas other than on earth he should know about it, and it so happens that the Quran claims that there is life other than on earth, in a very interesting aya 42:29



The verse is talking about the skies and the earth, and note the word `feehima` i.e. in them, there being `daaba` or animals (which includes humans). In fact there are a couple of other verses whose references I am unable to locate at this time (don`t have the index with me). Hope that helped with what you were looking for.

masadi,

behram claims this is a topic involving hard science, you claim that it involves social sciences as well. Hence, in line with chowk policy, since I am faced with a social as well as scientific dilemma, I think this is a forum to ask you a question that my child asked me a couple of weeks back:

Is there life in some location in the universe that is not our planet: the earth?

To this questions, I might like to add a question given the claims in your webpage (this question completely deviates from the topic and is hence against chowk policy):

What does the Koran say about the answer to the previous question? More importantly, why does it say so?

By the way, I am serious here.

Regards

#70 behram, please stay on topic, if that is not too hard for a mirasi like yourself.

In addition to #69 to chowk-staff

p.s: I am sorry if you feel like I am giving you a hard time on this, but this kind of erasure and personal bias is not healthy for a site of this nature. thanks

Dear friends,

It appears that the best route for expatriate Pakistanis to take is the electrical engineering transfer of knowledge from outside Pakistan into inside. This could be achieved in several modes.

To-Date, for varied reasons Pakistan is not ready to get into building a $3B FAB. However, Pakistan could provide adequate top paid design engineers to engineer new and coming technology and being creative. Existing electrical engineering curricula in universities should be enhanced to provide this knowledge. This Pakistan-centric enterprise could make use of the available pool of talented design engineers around the world.

Day-to-day operation of this enterprise and strategic design business development should be left to the engineers. Some public/private partnership could help, such as the federal R&D funding (if at all suitable in the Pakistani context). Design house parks (similar to such places already available in Hong Kong) could be established. Tax incentive could be provided to international small design houses to open shops inside these Pakistani design parks. And we must keep, anybody and everybody who has anything to do with the Fauji Foundation completely out.

Respectfully submitted,

Re: # 69 by masadi on September 7, 2006 1:19pm PT

Dear Masadi:

Cry baby, uh!

Respectfully submitted,

Dear Chowk staff,

Regarding my posts #59 and #62 that you have erased, they were made in response to the charge that I was posting off topic when I talked about the socioeconomic aspect of development. I had related that to excerpts from the author`s article in those two posts explaining how relevant my discussion was, how can that now be off topic? Therefore your erasure is not justified, since mine was the first post you erased it tells me that the other erasures were just colletral damage to cover up your unjustified erasure of my posts. I recommend you restore my posts, since it merely reveals your bias in the issue and an abuse of power.

Sincerely,

masadi.

I`m afraid, a well intentioned but an infeasible/unadvaisable proposal by the author.

Gaining and maintaining a foothold in high tech is a laudable goal for any developing country.. But it is probably not necessary in the short term, esp for a country like Pakistan which does not have a strong intellectual base (I might be wrong here) to support it. The country is better off investing in the areas where they have a better chance and invest massively in all levels of education. Then maybe you can join the next wave of high tech...

Specifically to the issue of Semiconductor industry, you have well entrenched players (Far east countries in Manufacturing and countries like India, Israel and other players in Design) to compete for business..

Rgds,
Avkrishna

Dear Chowk Staff:

Thank you for doing the job well done. As you can see, you have deleted 7 posts which were deflecting to other areas, (at least 10% of the posts on this site).

Please always guide us to respond to the posted article.

Respectfully submitted,