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Ahmer Muzammil February 8, 2007
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#92 Posted by HasanMahmood on February 19, 2007 9:55:38 am
Re: # 88
Zeena, let me ask you during the so-called democracy time of benazir and Nawaz, what action did any party take against the ``Hudood Ordinance``. What was done about the social injustice. What was done for economic reforms. What was done about the basic human rights. The answer is nothing. There was a reason that people in those parties were minting money while the others were going nowhere. Do you know How much money was put in ``The Surrey Palace`` and ``the Raiwind Estate``. The point is that even if we let go of the leaders the parties themseleves consist of mostly corrupt people. According to this one lawyer from PPP they only have one leader in Benazir Bhutto. So if they dont even consider anyone else capable of running their parties how will they be able to rid themselves of these people.
I dont know if Mushy is a savior or not. Only time will tell. But I do know that Pakistan has never developed economically or in any other way this fast during any other regime. That is why I think Mushi is the best right now. Maybe not in 5 years when our infrastructure will be better and Nawaz and Benazir hopefully are dead and their children nowehere to be found. But until then?????
Zeena, let me ask you during the so-called democracy time of benazir and Nawaz, what action did any party take against the ``Hudood Ordinance``. What was done about the social injustice. What was done for economic reforms. What was done about the basic human rights. The answer is nothing. There was a reason that people in those parties were minting money while the others were going nowhere. Do you know How much money was put in ``The Surrey Palace`` and ``the Raiwind Estate``. The point is that even if we let go of the leaders the parties themseleves consist of mostly corrupt people. According to this one lawyer from PPP they only have one leader in Benazir Bhutto. So if they dont even consider anyone else capable of running their parties how will they be able to rid themselves of these people.
I dont know if Mushy is a savior or not. Only time will tell. But I do know that Pakistan has never developed economically or in any other way this fast during any other regime. That is why I think Mushi is the best right now. Maybe not in 5 years when our infrastructure will be better and Nawaz and Benazir hopefully are dead and their children nowehere to be found. But until then?????
#91 Posted by HasanMahmood on February 19, 2007 9:46:12 am
Zeena, I find you very enlightened and intelligent in your discussions albeit the negative criticism you get from some people here. I do agree with your point of dictatorship but I dont agree that Pakistan should have democracy at this stage. I want to point out he following read fr you. Hopefully you will get a chance to read it.
``The Future of Freedom: Illiberal Democracy at Home and Abroad``.
Let me know what you think after you are done.
``The Future of Freedom: Illiberal Democracy at Home and Abroad``.
Let me know what you think after you are done.
#90 Posted by Zeena on February 17, 2007 3:52:39 pm
#89 Umer sahib
We both are in complete agreement as for as BB, Nawaz( SOB) and other corrupt and incompetent politicians are.........No doubtt about it.
Now, Gen. Musharaf( may be a good leader or general if you say so), but, I am afraid aren`t we surrendering to another dictatorship?
Or, we have become so much numb as a nation that we do not care for dictatorship anymore...........hmmmmm
We both are in complete agreement as for as BB, Nawaz( SOB) and other corrupt and incompetent politicians are.........No doubtt about it.
Now, Gen. Musharaf( may be a good leader or general if you say so), but, I am afraid aren`t we surrendering to another dictatorship?
Or, we have become so much numb as a nation that we do not care for dictatorship anymore...........hmmmmm
#89 Posted by Umer579 on February 17, 2007 1:02:03 am
Zeena jee,
If I have a choice to elect the ``heavy mandated`` Mr. Sharif or Mrs. Bhutto and Gen. Musharraf, I will go with Gen. Musharraf without a hint of a doubt in my mind.
Yea, I think he`s a better, more honest and consistent leader as compared to the last 3 or 4 we had and if you think that makes me think that he`s a savior for the Pakland, well be it so!! I`m for it..
Can we have better leaders than Pres. Musharraf? Surely, we can but do we really have a choice better than him at this given moment. Perhaps not, so let`s just stick with the glue we have and wait till the Fall`07 elections and you and I will have the liberty to oust him and cast in a better one. Allah willing, we`ll have someone good for country with all aspects.
Best Regards,
Umer
If I have a choice to elect the ``heavy mandated`` Mr. Sharif or Mrs. Bhutto and Gen. Musharraf, I will go with Gen. Musharraf without a hint of a doubt in my mind.
Yea, I think he`s a better, more honest and consistent leader as compared to the last 3 or 4 we had and if you think that makes me think that he`s a savior for the Pakland, well be it so!! I`m for it..
Can we have better leaders than Pres. Musharraf? Surely, we can but do we really have a choice better than him at this given moment. Perhaps not, so let`s just stick with the glue we have and wait till the Fall`07 elections and you and I will have the liberty to oust him and cast in a better one. Allah willing, we`ll have someone good for country with all aspects.
Best Regards,
Umer
#88 Posted by Zeena on February 16, 2007 8:32:55 pm
#82 umer and #85 hasanmahmood............
So, in other words General Pervaz Musharaf is saviour for Pak land.............hmmmmmmm
So, Pakis finally got their role model, their hero, their destiny in the form of Mushy.......
I wonder, if, the man is saviour or savage..................
So, in other words General Pervaz Musharaf is saviour for Pak land.............hmmmmmmm
So, Pakis finally got their role model, their hero, their destiny in the form of Mushy.......
I wonder, if, the man is saviour or savage..................
#87 Posted by Umer579 on February 16, 2007 1:36:52 pm
Dear RF786,
I think you did a very interesting re-buttle to Ahmer Muzammil`s article. I can really see and feel the passion behind your well written and eloquently described thoughts.
I think that you clearly mentioned some great problems in our society that many of us forgot. You did a superb job of mentioning the old school customs with our women particulaly in villages and rural areas. We still got molivs in parts of Pakistan who are against the right for women to vote.
We got the good ole jageerdar people who never let their village members go to schools or who keep the young ladies in the houses. This way the kids can remain back in the society and they can`t raise a voice against him.
We still got ``watta-satta`` problems in parts of Punjab. No doubt, that Pres. Musharraf is taking a hard stand on it and he deserves some credit for it. He clearly mentions it in his routine press conferences and we are to an extent diminishing it.
Just a few days ago, a guy in some part of Punjab was facing dire poverty. In order to make his days a little better, he put a sign ``for sale`` in 3 of his young lads and everyone got his attention. I can`t imagine what he must have gone through to do that.. Since then, he is been in the news and now the Punjab Govt and good-hearted folks are trying to get him a job and a free education for his kids in schools. I mean these type of things makes me ponder that where are the people who talk nothing but Islam in their daily jalsas and juloos? Where was Mr. Qazi Hussain and his mullas when this was going on?
Is there any accountability for people who run our governments? There`s no doubt that Pakistan is blessed with young lads whom got immense talent and potential and who want to do good for their country but do the people really want a change? If you want to know the answer, just try to stop at a red light in Lahore during busy hours? You`ll see how many people with Mercedes or Toyota Corollas stop @ the red light? It makes me say, ``God helps those who helps themselves.``
I think Pres. Musharraf takes a right stand at our molvis most of the times since they got nothing else to do for the country but jalsas and juloos. Perhaps, when they get the jobs, we`ll be a lot stable country. Would you not agree?
Umer
I think you did a very interesting re-buttle to Ahmer Muzammil`s article. I can really see and feel the passion behind your well written and eloquently described thoughts.
I think that you clearly mentioned some great problems in our society that many of us forgot. You did a superb job of mentioning the old school customs with our women particulaly in villages and rural areas. We still got molivs in parts of Pakistan who are against the right for women to vote.
We got the good ole jageerdar people who never let their village members go to schools or who keep the young ladies in the houses. This way the kids can remain back in the society and they can`t raise a voice against him.
We still got ``watta-satta`` problems in parts of Punjab. No doubt, that Pres. Musharraf is taking a hard stand on it and he deserves some credit for it. He clearly mentions it in his routine press conferences and we are to an extent diminishing it.
Just a few days ago, a guy in some part of Punjab was facing dire poverty. In order to make his days a little better, he put a sign ``for sale`` in 3 of his young lads and everyone got his attention. I can`t imagine what he must have gone through to do that.. Since then, he is been in the news and now the Punjab Govt and good-hearted folks are trying to get him a job and a free education for his kids in schools. I mean these type of things makes me ponder that where are the people who talk nothing but Islam in their daily jalsas and juloos? Where was Mr. Qazi Hussain and his mullas when this was going on?
Is there any accountability for people who run our governments? There`s no doubt that Pakistan is blessed with young lads whom got immense talent and potential and who want to do good for their country but do the people really want a change? If you want to know the answer, just try to stop at a red light in Lahore during busy hours? You`ll see how many people with Mercedes or Toyota Corollas stop @ the red light? It makes me say, ``God helps those who helps themselves.``
I think Pres. Musharraf takes a right stand at our molvis most of the times since they got nothing else to do for the country but jalsas and juloos. Perhaps, when they get the jobs, we`ll be a lot stable country. Would you not agree?
Umer
#86 Posted by zeemax on February 16, 2007 10:33:49 am
This really looks like a bleeding hearts reunion .. all the pseudos are swarming around coming out of the woodwork ... haha
#85 Posted by HasanMahmood on February 15, 2007 2:16:14 pm
Zeena,
I think this is where we disagree. I absolutely dont think that military government is the right way to go but I am scared. I have gone through the sham democracy where Pakistan went bankrupt and nobody was safe. Zardari owned 10% of everything (I know this for a fact. I was there and saw people begging for their life, their property, their families). I don`t trust Pakistani people enough to give them a choice. People in Pakistan have no voice. yes maybe in Karachi or Lahore but not in the villages. They vote for who their zamindar tells them to vote for. That is why Benazir and Nawaz keep winning. If democracy was really working like abu-sufwan is so gung-ho about then Benazir and Nazwaz would not have been re-elected after their first stints in the government. But they were because people in Pakistan cannot be trusted. I am sorry to say this but I have seen enough in my lifetime to know that if given democracy Pakistan will go bankrupt. A country where Murtaza Bhutto openly said that the roads will be flowing with blood in Karachi because Karachi is responsible for Bhutto senior`s death and then PPP getting seats from the same city is just unbelievable. I still know educated people who are dying to vote for Benazir or Nawaz. Even on Chowk there was this person whose articles used to be published under the heading ``I love Nawaz Sharif``. Go figure....
I think this is where we disagree. I absolutely dont think that military government is the right way to go but I am scared. I have gone through the sham democracy where Pakistan went bankrupt and nobody was safe. Zardari owned 10% of everything (I know this for a fact. I was there and saw people begging for their life, their property, their families). I don`t trust Pakistani people enough to give them a choice. People in Pakistan have no voice. yes maybe in Karachi or Lahore but not in the villages. They vote for who their zamindar tells them to vote for. That is why Benazir and Nawaz keep winning. If democracy was really working like abu-sufwan is so gung-ho about then Benazir and Nazwaz would not have been re-elected after their first stints in the government. But they were because people in Pakistan cannot be trusted. I am sorry to say this but I have seen enough in my lifetime to know that if given democracy Pakistan will go bankrupt. A country where Murtaza Bhutto openly said that the roads will be flowing with blood in Karachi because Karachi is responsible for Bhutto senior`s death and then PPP getting seats from the same city is just unbelievable. I still know educated people who are dying to vote for Benazir or Nawaz. Even on Chowk there was this person whose articles used to be published under the heading ``I love Nawaz Sharif``. Go figure....
#84 Posted by rf786 on February 14, 2007 6:59:46 am
Dear Muzammil,
Liked your style of writing and respect your outrage as a proud citizen of Pakistan. But, this particular passage was not needed:
``I care because I saw a documentary on Cambodia and how some parents living in abject poverty are willing to sell their 5-year-olds up for sex-parties. I am not judging because I have no idea what poverty is like but I find it amazing that in contrast my brothers and sisters in Pakistan who are probably in the same situation or even worse are selling their kidneys instead of their girls. Even when the situations are dire most take the pains upon themselves rather than hurting their daughters.``
selling their kidneys instead of their girls? For someone so passionate about Pakistan you have either ignored reality or reflect the usual run of the mill Hum sub sey achay (we are the chosen ones) attitude. Women (girls) in Pakistan are being used as collateral money by their elders, to settle feuds girls are handed over to the aggrieved party as compensation, is that not selling your daughters? For some its a matter of great honor, are you one of them?
Women are killed regulalrly in the name of honor, according to HRCP there were 565 honor killings in 2006, which other country can boast of such proportions? Do you care sir?
When the earthquake devasted northern Pakistan, the most affected were those who were in their houses, yes sir women folk, wives, mothers, daughters, sisters. Guess what happened to the fortunate ones who survived but were left paralyzed? Their proud husbands have gone out and married another women leaving this poor destitute to fend for herself. Such occurences are not the exception but quite common and some even had the gall to find alternative brides immediately after this tragedy. Do you care sir?
Women are not alowed to vote in some parts of Pakistan with the consensus agreement of ALL political parties irrespective of their ideology including your friend Imran Khan. Do you care?
Street children are forced into prostitution everyday in Pakistan, facts well documented yet ignored, do we still care?
People of Pakistan are being blown into pieces for their religious beliefs, do we still care?
Minorities of Pakistan are fleeing the country for fear of persecution, do we still care?
250,000 and more forgotten Pakistani citizens are languishing in refugee camps in Bangladesh for over 30 years, why do we not care? Yet, we have 3million Afghan refugees settled and part of society for the past twenty years, is this not hypocrisy? do we care?
Hundreds of women are perishing in jails under the evil ziaul haq imposed hudood ordinance, has anyone ever bothered to care? Yes, someone has taken some action, about bloody time dont u think?
Mullahs and their brainwashed youth are on the rampage, protesting against razing of illegally constructed mosques and the Govt has once again proved to be impotent, do we care that we allow anyone who says Allah o Akbar to do whatever they like?
Do we care that charas in Pakistan is cheaper than many food items? Does it bother anyone that this drug money is being used to blow up people in the name of religion?
Does it bother anyone that Jinnah`s Pakistan has been hijacked by the same fundos who opposed the creation of this country?
Liked your style of writing and respect your outrage as a proud citizen of Pakistan. But, this particular passage was not needed:
``I care because I saw a documentary on Cambodia and how some parents living in abject poverty are willing to sell their 5-year-olds up for sex-parties. I am not judging because I have no idea what poverty is like but I find it amazing that in contrast my brothers and sisters in Pakistan who are probably in the same situation or even worse are selling their kidneys instead of their girls. Even when the situations are dire most take the pains upon themselves rather than hurting their daughters.``
selling their kidneys instead of their girls? For someone so passionate about Pakistan you have either ignored reality or reflect the usual run of the mill Hum sub sey achay (we are the chosen ones) attitude. Women (girls) in Pakistan are being used as collateral money by their elders, to settle feuds girls are handed over to the aggrieved party as compensation, is that not selling your daughters? For some its a matter of great honor, are you one of them?
Women are killed regulalrly in the name of honor, according to HRCP there were 565 honor killings in 2006, which other country can boast of such proportions? Do you care sir?
When the earthquake devasted northern Pakistan, the most affected were those who were in their houses, yes sir women folk, wives, mothers, daughters, sisters. Guess what happened to the fortunate ones who survived but were left paralyzed? Their proud husbands have gone out and married another women leaving this poor destitute to fend for herself. Such occurences are not the exception but quite common and some even had the gall to find alternative brides immediately after this tragedy. Do you care sir?
Women are not alowed to vote in some parts of Pakistan with the consensus agreement of ALL political parties irrespective of their ideology including your friend Imran Khan. Do you care?
Street children are forced into prostitution everyday in Pakistan, facts well documented yet ignored, do we still care?
People of Pakistan are being blown into pieces for their religious beliefs, do we still care?
Minorities of Pakistan are fleeing the country for fear of persecution, do we still care?
250,000 and more forgotten Pakistani citizens are languishing in refugee camps in Bangladesh for over 30 years, why do we not care? Yet, we have 3million Afghan refugees settled and part of society for the past twenty years, is this not hypocrisy? do we care?
Hundreds of women are perishing in jails under the evil ziaul haq imposed hudood ordinance, has anyone ever bothered to care? Yes, someone has taken some action, about bloody time dont u think?
Mullahs and their brainwashed youth are on the rampage, protesting against razing of illegally constructed mosques and the Govt has once again proved to be impotent, do we care that we allow anyone who says Allah o Akbar to do whatever they like?
Do we care that charas in Pakistan is cheaper than many food items? Does it bother anyone that this drug money is being used to blow up people in the name of religion?
Does it bother anyone that Jinnah`s Pakistan has been hijacked by the same fundos who opposed the creation of this country?
#83 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on February 13, 2007 4:17:58 pm
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The book is an effort to provide an inside story of Pakistan and stories of its military dictators and religious cults who are busy day and night to commit corruption in the name of war-on-terror. The writer declares General Musharraf as a Terrorist-in-Uniform.
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Price: $15.95 & eligible for FREE Super Saver Shipping on orders over $25. Details
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DIVIDE PAKISTAN TO ELIMINATE TERRORISM is Syed Jamaluddin`s vision to address issues related to combatting terrorism emanating from Pakistan which have dramatically transformed the entire region into a systematically controlled network having vicious effects to the global peace.
This book gives an indepth analysis about the role of Pakistan`s Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) and Tablighi Jamat which are involved in producing future terrorists. The book provides specific information about the actual tactics of ISI and Tablighi Jamat and their strategy to disrupt the international peace in the name of Islamization of the world through holy war and martyrdom.
The book is an effort to provide an inside story of Pakistan and stories of its military dictators and religious cults who are busy day and night to commit corruption in the name of war-on-terror. The writer declares General Musharraf as a Terrorist-in-Uniform.
About the Author
Syed Jamaluddin is an active writer on issues concerning Pakistan’s involvement in various terrorist activities in the South Asian region. He was forced to leave Pakistan after the military coup of General Musharraf in 1999. He liaised with political and religious parties of Pakistan as well as Government Agencies.
#82 Posted by Umer579 on February 13, 2007 6:59:09 am
Re: # 80
Zeena jee,
I agree with you that Martial Law is the repressive cycle that gives nothing but barren and arid land. But in Pres. Musharraf`s govt., we don`t really have a Martial Law. We`ve an acting government through the parliament and we`re about to have our elections this coming fall.
Yea, I also wonder about the same question that why can`t we have a full-fledged working democracy like India. I`m not sure why but I do know that since the creation of Pakistan, we got coups taking over the elected government. There are thousands of reasons but main reason that I see is power. As there`s a quote, ``Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.`` That`s how we have come to this time and this time of Pres. Musharraf is way better than the govt`s. of Gen. Ayyub Khan and Gen. Zia.
Yea, it`s not the best way to go but slowly but surely, we`re making progress and inshAllah we`ll get to the point where we`ll be a full-fledged democracy.
It`s not an easy road for a nascent nation like us. Remember that the 7th Pres. of the United States was called ``King Jackson`` because he started to govern like a king instead of an elected president. So, it took years for the nations like England and United States to go to full democracy like today, so we are getting there but it`s taking time.
India didn`t have to go through all this because their politicians always thought of the country first rather than their chairs. That`s the difference in their old leaders and our older leaders. Now, it`s changing here as well and let`s just be optimistic, keep our fingers crossed and help elect leaders that will keep Pakistan and its image on the top sky for us. InshAllah,
Best Regards,
Umer
Zeena jee,
I agree with you that Martial Law is the repressive cycle that gives nothing but barren and arid land. But in Pres. Musharraf`s govt., we don`t really have a Martial Law. We`ve an acting government through the parliament and we`re about to have our elections this coming fall.
Yea, I also wonder about the same question that why can`t we have a full-fledged working democracy like India. I`m not sure why but I do know that since the creation of Pakistan, we got coups taking over the elected government. There are thousands of reasons but main reason that I see is power. As there`s a quote, ``Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.`` That`s how we have come to this time and this time of Pres. Musharraf is way better than the govt`s. of Gen. Ayyub Khan and Gen. Zia.
Yea, it`s not the best way to go but slowly but surely, we`re making progress and inshAllah we`ll get to the point where we`ll be a full-fledged democracy.
It`s not an easy road for a nascent nation like us. Remember that the 7th Pres. of the United States was called ``King Jackson`` because he started to govern like a king instead of an elected president. So, it took years for the nations like England and United States to go to full democracy like today, so we are getting there but it`s taking time.
India didn`t have to go through all this because their politicians always thought of the country first rather than their chairs. That`s the difference in their old leaders and our older leaders. Now, it`s changing here as well and let`s just be optimistic, keep our fingers crossed and help elect leaders that will keep Pakistan and its image on the top sky for us. InshAllah,
Best Regards,
Umer
#81 Posted by delhiwala on February 12, 2007 12:36:04 pm
Dude,
you are a very emotional man.....
there is no need to be so uptight, people like you would be kicked out of all societies and ridiculed. Sadly this is how world operates. I have been through same emotional distress as you are and I can see younger myself in you...but you have no future.
you are a very emotional man.....
there is no need to be so uptight, people like you would be kicked out of all societies and ridiculed. Sadly this is how world operates. I have been through same emotional distress as you are and I can see younger myself in you...but you have no future.
#80 Posted by Zeena on February 12, 2007 12:33:58 pm
#79 Umer sahib
I agree with you BB, Nawaz Sharif and etc, etc, etc did every worst thing possible to put Pakistan down the drain.
But, think of it Martial law gives People nothing, but, more deprivation, more recession, suppression and oppression...............and country`s further regression................
Why Pakistanis can not have a real democracy like India? Why Pakistanis can not have ultrafiltration process via constant elections and I am sure at the end may be 7, 8, or 10 years Pakistan will be able to have filtered politicians who can lead Pak land to a progressive direction.
Thanks
I agree with you BB, Nawaz Sharif and etc, etc, etc did every worst thing possible to put Pakistan down the drain.
But, think of it Martial law gives People nothing, but, more deprivation, more recession, suppression and oppression...............and country`s further regression................
Why Pakistanis can not have a real democracy like India? Why Pakistanis can not have ultrafiltration process via constant elections and I am sure at the end may be 7, 8, or 10 years Pakistan will be able to have filtered politicians who can lead Pak land to a progressive direction.
Thanks
#79 Posted by Umer579 on February 12, 2007 12:27:03 pm
Re: # 69
Zeena jee,
I have no favor of martial law but I do believe that what we have in Pres. Musharraf is far better than what we had in Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto and Mr. Sharif. Perhaps, you are forgetting that in their time, someone who dissented with the above mentioned leaders opinions, their future was shunned quite easily. Justice Sajjad Ali Shah was at the epitome of it and you might also recall what happened with the Jang Newspaper. If you are unable to recall, let me just remind you of the tons of paper logs being stopped to reach the Jang Newspaper office in Lahore in the year 1998 or 1997 if I get it right.
So once again, I don`t favor martial law but if we can have a transition to full democracy as described by Pres. Lincoln when he said:``Government of the people, by the people and for the people.`` And Pres. Musharraf is acting to get us to that point and I don`t feel any kind of regret to have him as our leader till the fall election of 2007.
As Mr. Sharif was replaced by Pres. Musharraf in a coup, it was quite a low point for Pakistan`s image in the world. But I believe it was the only way since Mr. Sharif treated the bureaucracy as his child and swept away anything that made a scream against the status quo. What happened with Chief Justice Shah and also the firing on the supreme court is more than enough to make my point and here`s a quote that also describes that why Mr. Sharif had to go (one way or the other). Here`s what Pres. Truman once said:`` Once a government is committed to the principle of silencing the voice of opposition, it has only one way to go, and that is down the path of increasingly repressive measures, until it becomes a source of terror to all its citizens and creates a country where everyone lives in fear. ``
So I`m completely for govt. of the people, by the people and for the people. If we need to go throught a period of 6 or 7 or 8 years under Pres. Musharraf to reach that point, I`d say,`` Rock`n roll baby.``
Best Regards,
Umer
Zeena jee,
I have no favor of martial law but I do believe that what we have in Pres. Musharraf is far better than what we had in Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto and Mr. Sharif. Perhaps, you are forgetting that in their time, someone who dissented with the above mentioned leaders opinions, their future was shunned quite easily. Justice Sajjad Ali Shah was at the epitome of it and you might also recall what happened with the Jang Newspaper. If you are unable to recall, let me just remind you of the tons of paper logs being stopped to reach the Jang Newspaper office in Lahore in the year 1998 or 1997 if I get it right.
So once again, I don`t favor martial law but if we can have a transition to full democracy as described by Pres. Lincoln when he said:``Government of the people, by the people and for the people.`` And Pres. Musharraf is acting to get us to that point and I don`t feel any kind of regret to have him as our leader till the fall election of 2007.
As Mr. Sharif was replaced by Pres. Musharraf in a coup, it was quite a low point for Pakistan`s image in the world. But I believe it was the only way since Mr. Sharif treated the bureaucracy as his child and swept away anything that made a scream against the status quo. What happened with Chief Justice Shah and also the firing on the supreme court is more than enough to make my point and here`s a quote that also describes that why Mr. Sharif had to go (one way or the other). Here`s what Pres. Truman once said:`` Once a government is committed to the principle of silencing the voice of opposition, it has only one way to go, and that is down the path of increasingly repressive measures, until it becomes a source of terror to all its citizens and creates a country where everyone lives in fear. ``
So I`m completely for govt. of the people, by the people and for the people. If we need to go throught a period of 6 or 7 or 8 years under Pres. Musharraf to reach that point, I`d say,`` Rock`n roll baby.``
Best Regards,
Umer
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