Musharraf's Options: Time Running Out

Emergency is the best option for mushy and the US and is the ideal excuse to unload the daisy cutters on the tribals. The grave error made by collin powels need to be corrected.

The jihadis need to be trapped in a hammer and anvil move, they have to be bombed all the way to the indian border, and then shot by indian troops. That will be an appropriate action for the kashmir and kargill in which the tribals were involved, and as can be expected, the pak army will be out of it all, ruling the civilians, constructing highways that collapse.

The 'Man' proposes -- the Supreme Court disposes:

"When is the President’s dual-office period ending, asks SC
ISLAMABAD: Supreme Court has asked the President’s Legal Advisor, Sharifuddin Pirzada to enquire from the President and inform SC as to when the President’s dual-office period was ending.

The seven-member larger Bench of the Supreme Court headed by the Chief Justice, Mr. Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry, while hearing here Qazi Hussain Ahmad’s petition against the President’s dual offices, asked the President’s Legal Advisor, Sharifuddin Pirzada to clarify as to when the President’s dual-office period was ending, while Pirzada made a plea that he needed President’s directive and thereon, he was asked to enquire from the President and let the Court know."(NEWS)

Exactly, when? -- Bhutto and Nawaz can't be PM ‘third’ time, 'constitutionally' (without either of them completing their terms, both times) -- but the self-declared Messiahs are for ever, unconstitutionally -- SC asks WHY and how come? -- in a show cause order the SC would like to examine the 'Divine Certificate' for Eternal Messiahdom.

Emergency! Emergency!! Where are you?

abu sufwaan before u accuse muslims of shirk brother you should fear allah and remember the hadith of the prophet: i do NOT fear shirk for you after me but rather the love of this world.

Sorry dear chowk reader for the double posting (#51/#52) below.

thinkingstorm #37: The alternatives as I see it are not Musharraf vs BB/NS (all three tried and tested losers, I agree), but Dictatorship vs Rule of Law. Pakistan can survive Mush (or BB or NS or indeed even a half-eaten samosa) as prime minister or president as long as there are proper checks and balances that do not put the fate of a nation at the control of a single individual. That is why the Chief Justice's campaign is of fundamental significance to Pakistan - and on a different plane altogether than the mere politicking of Mush, BB and NS.

You continue Plus the real problem is the fundamentalism that is spreading like a cancer. All this namazi hijabi bullshit ... we are living in a modern world and all our middle class is getting obsessed with is how much hair should be covered and how many nafals and sunnats to pray. fundamentalism will destroy Pakistan.

There is no question that this obsession with rituals and fashion statements (beards, hijabs) is character-destroying and thus a total repudiation of the message of Islam. Thus, "sawab" is not earned by being honest, respectful, or rational in this neo-paganism sweeping certain circles in Pakistan. Instead, "gunnah ma'af" is the name of the game among these circles in Pakistan, where a visit to Mecca is deemed to wash away sins, and the sajda is deemed to earn "sawab"!! This corrupt view of religion carries over into the economy, where "qarza ma'af" replaces "qarza chookana", and where the VIP culture (pervasive among all groups - military or otherwise, bearded/hijabed or otherwise) replaces the egalitarianism of Islam. This paganism thus directly promotes immorality and is character destroying, and is the opposite of the message of the Quran.

While agreeing on the problem, I dont think "sufi Islam" is the solution. Rather, "sufi Islam" is a retreat from problems, rather than a solution.

The real solution lies, once again, in the rule of law which starts with respecting the basic rights of all people (including the right to free speech, and the right to elect and the right to refuse to re-elect the executive head). Because a society based on laws is strong enough to allow all sorts of religious nuts and all sorts of rogue politicians to do their thing without doing significant damage to the rest of the people who actually have something useful to contribute to society.

thinkingstorm #37: The alternatives as I see it are not Musharraf vs BB/NS (all three tried and tested losers, I agree), but Dictatorship vs Rule of Law. Pakistan can survive Mush (or BB or NS or indeed even a half-eaten samosa) as prime minister or president as long as there are proper checks and balances that do not put the fate of a nation at the control of a single individual. That is why the Chief Justice's campaign is of fundamental significance to Pakistan - and on a different plane altogether than the mere politicking of Mush, BB and NS.

You continue Plus the real problem is the fundamentalism that is spreading like a cancer. All this namazi hijabi bullshit ... we are living in a modern world and all our middle class is getting obsessed with is how much hair should be covered and how many nafals and sunnats to pray. fundamentalism will destroy Pakistan.

There is no question that this obsession with rituals and fashion statements (beards, hijabs) is character-destroying and thus a total repudiation of the message of Islam. Thus, "sawab" is not earned by being honest, respectful, or rational in this neo-paganism sweeping certain circles in Pakistan. Instead, "gunnah ma'af" is the name of the game among these circles in Pakistan, where a visit to Mecca is deemed to wash away sins, and the sajda is deemed to earn "sawab"!! This corrupt view of religion carries over into the economy, where "qarza ma'af" replaces "qarza chookana", and where the VIP culture (pervasive among all groups - military or otherwise, bearded/hijabed or otherwise) replaces the egalitarianism of Islam. This paganism thus directly promotes immorality and is character destroying, and is the opposite of the message of the Quran.

While agreeing on the problem, I dont think "sufi Islam" is the solution. Rather, "sufi Islam" is a retreat from problems, rather than a solution.

The real solution lies, once again, in the rule of law which starts with respecting the basic rights of all people (including the right to free speech, and the right to elect and the right to refuse to re-elect the executive head). Because a society based on laws is strong enough to allow all sorts of religious nuts and all sorts of rogue politicians to do their thing without doing significant damage to the rest of the people who actually have something useful to contribute to society.

Re: # 47

thinkingstorm,

... thank you for your support :) .... but i really don't mind being called a kanjaroon since the kanjars are the only honorable people in pakistan ...... as long as someone does not call me a mullah or confuse me with a 'good' muslim, i am happy ...........

..... the kanjars are professionals who work hard at their ancient art to make an honest living ..... the madams, dancers, tabalchis and the guy who stands at the door with garlands of roses and motia are all honorable men and women .... quite unlike the despicable rascals who speak in arabic tongues and tell us to knock our heads on the floor again and agian and again ..... these bearded denizens of hell are the real enemies of the people and should be kept away from little children and domestic animals ......

... the kanjaroon are god's children .....

HAHA...surrender monkeys fold...

Govt frees 100 tribesmen, opens Wana-Tank highway

* Baitullah Mehsud puts conditions for release of abducted soldiers

Staff Report

WANA/GHALANAI: The government on Monday freed more than a 100 arrested tribesmen and opened the main highway to meet some of the demands made by the Taliban for the release of around 200 kidnapped soldiers in South Waziristan, but the soldiers have not yet been freed, officials said.

In Mohmand Agency, a government deadline for the release of 10 paramilitary soldiers held hostage by the militants passed without any significant response from the captors and a tribal jirga was still negotiating their safe return, Mohmand Agency Chief Administrator Dr Kazim Niaz told a news briefing in Ghalanai.

“We have no details whether the jirga has persuaded the Taliban militants to release the soldiers or not,” a senior government official in Wana told Daily Times asking not to be named.

If the tribal belt becomes a “no-go” area for the Pakistani government, the USA has little recourse but to attack the militants therein on its own. This would severely limit the usefulness of the Pakistani army to the USA.

The army – which enabled Mr. Musharraf bring things to this juncture ought to realize the he is only the symptom of the malaise – the malaise being the institution of the army itself which has done maximum damage to the country of Pakistan by killing off most of its democratic institutions and coloring the civilian ones with a thick coat of Islamization. Passing the baton to a proxy – trusted or otherwise – will not change that simple fact.

It is time to get rid of the myth that one can rule a country on the basis of military might alone.

All the horse-trading will be meaningless and can only take one back to square one! In my view, both the BB and the NS are so passe - perhaps too old to change their set ways. Perhaps it is time for the younger generation to take charge and start using something new in the affairs of the state – something called common sense! The first step ought to be to make a clean break with the past and make a clean breast of all previous sordid deeds versus India – to start laying the bricks of friendship based on a foundation of honesty – and they should disown and fire anybody who deviates from the simple logic that Pakistan can only be a success if India is so.

okay I re-read some of the posts by hamidm2...seems you guys have a history...my bad for interfering with your joyful banter ;)

Please don't stop calling him a kanjaXXX on my behalf. But perhaps you may be open to dropping the OON...it is just so unseeming :)

echo-

I really don't know where this habit of attaching -OON to things comes from, but it does make yours a one trick pony show.

Also, it is not nice to call hamidm2 a kanjar-oon. no?

Re: # 14

Echo

"Who among us is not familiar with the stampede which occurs at Desi parties when announcement for food is made. This phenomena is unique ONLY to Indians & Pakistanis."

This is the 'Commando culture', moderate and enlightened!

A commando trying to don a mantle of civilized human being? How can it be possible as Ghalib had said:

"Saraapa rehn-e-ishq wa naaguzeere-e-ulfat-e-hasti
Ibaadat barq ki karta hoon aur afsos haasil ka"

The Pakies worship the Holy Atom Bomb (I actually saw them offering 'namaaz' before the replica of Chaagai on the Islamabad Highway) can get only a Commando to rule them. The Mullah-military rule is the natural result of the Paky Jingoism-cum-obscurantism.

Lage raho echo bhaai!

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This situation is going to cost me a lot dinners to my Pakistani friends, as I had bet with, including HP, to host a dinner in San Francisco, if in Pakistan, the power separation between Musharraff (= Army) and Bhutto (=PPP) did not work out. Although I would love to host a celebration of the other kind also.

Nawaz Shariff is a new card. If BB and the General cannot deal with due to lack of mandate in the fair elections, then I would say democracy still prevailed. As I see with this new card, the real decision is who will marry the General (=Army). I would say let Pakistani janta (=awam) decide.

Although I still bet it shall be BB (=PPP) and General (=Army).

Yarr Naqshay baaz bhai, Why do u always make everything about the superhuman capabilities that ur supposed 'auliya' possesed..sometimes they sound even holier and more righteous that Abu-Bakar (RAW) and Umer bin alkhatab (RAW). Give it a rest already..it'll take me but one post to shred ur barelwiyat in 2 pieces and make a laughing stock out of it..but this article is not about that..so get over ur obsessions with Imam Abdul Wahab Rahim ullah allayh...besides isnt time to for u 2 go worship a grave somewhere already?

#38,

Naqsh, also note that I am not mocking namaz / sunnah (" mock namaz and sunnah as our friend thinkingstorm has done is not on!"), but rather, I am mocking the obsession with it. How high the shalward should be, how long the beard should be, and all other such nonsense are technicalities.

you don't want a bunch of people going through rote meaningless rituals do you? Imam e Azam must have not just gone through motions right?

I think you catch my drift :)

Think Naqsh Think