In the Name of Allah, the Most Merciful

Wow!! Azra,

More than 1000 interacts; are people still sure there was nothing to talk about here?!

Good luck in the future too

Re: # 1019
Tahir...
Ans: Time is still available... just beg pardon to your Allah. He may offer 72 virgins again. There are severe food scarcity in asia. Heaven will be better place, unless and until rice and wheat price goes down...

Re: # 1003
Viqarm...
What a logic!!! A old man thinking of sex with a minor is not perversion!!!!!
Every 20/25 years you get a generation. So, a 54 year old was almost 2 generations older from the girl...and this is not perversion....

Re: # 1016

Tahir, did you just call me your God a moron?

No virgins for you now!

You will burn in hell for eternity

Re: # 1016

Tahir you have the 72 virgins no problem!

What about all the other Ayahs?

and there is just so much more!

Re: # 1014
Die ganze Sie bilden mich Lachen!

Re: # 1015
Moron, here's the REAL text:

81: 15
BUT NAY! I call to witness the revolving stars, (16) the planets that run their course and set, (17) and the night as it darkly falls, (18) and the morn as it softly breathes: (19) behold, this [divine writ] is indeed the [inspired] word of a noble apostle,(20) with strength endowed, secure with Him who in almightiness is enthroned6 (21) [the word] of one to be heeded, and worthy of trust!

5 By "calling to witness" certain natural phenomena which are familiar to man because of their permanent recurrence, attention is drawn to the fact that what we call "laws of nature" are but the observable elements of God's plan of creation - a plan in which His revelations (referred to in this and the subsequent verses) play a decisive role: and so, by implication, the divine writ granted to Muhammad is as intrinsically "natural" as any other phenomenon, concrete or abstract, in the realm of God's creation.

PERISH IN YOUR RAGE now (all of you idolators)...

And they say bad things about my book. It took me so long to write it too. The ungratefuls.

This is what someone wrote

It has become common knowledge that the Qur'an has contradictions or discrepancies which is not denied by Qur'an in the verse 4:82

4:82 Do they not consider the Qur'an (with care)? Had it been from other Than Allah, they would surely have found therein Much discrepancy."

Were the Qur'an free from any discrepancy, the verse would have said "... they would surely have found therein no discrepancy", not "much discrepancy".

There are long lists of errors and contradictions in the Qur'an, here I just want to discuss a contradiction around verse 33:50 which may not so obvious.

First, we know that the prophet is the best example for muslims and they must follow the prophet's conducts.

33:21 Ye have indeed in the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern (of conduct) for any one whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day, and who engages much in the Praise of Allah.

But verse 33:50 says that not every conduct of the holy prophet can be followed by the muslims.

33:50 O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee; and daughters of thy paternal uncles and aunts, and daughters of thy maternal uncles and aunts, who migrated (from Makka) with thee; and any believing woman who dedicates her soul to the Prophet if the Prophet wishes to wed her;- this only for thee, and not for the Believers (at large) ; We know what We have appointed for them as to their wives and the captives whom their right hands possess;- in order that there should be no difficulty for thee. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

This is a contradiction because verse 33:21 tells the muslims to follow the behavior of the prophet, but verse 33:50 says there are a few things which the muslims are not allowed to do what the prophet did.

The reason for forbiding the muslims to follow their holy prophet conduct in verse 33:50 actually is obvious if we spend some time to think, what the holy prophet did (or was allowed) is not so beautiful to be followed, therefore, the muslims are not supposed to do it. It must be a sinfull act for the believers. So actually the prophet did some sinful act and he is not supposed to be the role model.

Which among the lawful items in 33:50 is only for the prophets and not for the believers? It is the right to "wed" any believing woman who dedicates her soul to the prophet, because the other items are allowed for the muslims too. (I put the word "wed" between quotes for the reason below).

But wait, isn't that a muslim can also marry a woman who wants to be his wife as long as the woman is halal to be his wife? All he must do is to pay the dowry which can be as little as memorizing a few verses, get a witness and does the ijab qabul ceremony where the woman says she gives herself to the man and the man says he accepts the woman as his wife.

So what Allah gives the prophet in 33:50 to be solely for the prophet is not the same as a marriage ritual done by the believers. It must have the meaning that the prophet can copulate right away with the woman who wants to dedicate herself to the prophet. No need for dowry, witness or ijab qabul statements.

In another word, the prophet can do adultery with a woman who is not his wife or his right hand. This holy prophet can just come to a woman's bed room without permission and the woman had better known the consequences if she doesn't dedicate herself to prophet because that means disobeying Allah and disobeying the prophet. Allah himself has made a point that it would place the woman at the wrong path.

33:36 It is not fitting for a Believer, man or woman, when a matter has been decided by Allah and His Messenger to have any option about their decision: if any one disobeys Allah and His Messenger, he is indeed on a clearly wrong Path.

The case of the prophet marrying his cousin Zainab bint Jahsh may show us how the prophet exercised his special right.

(So, when Zayd had completed his aim with her, We gave her to you in marriage,) meaning, `when her marriage to Zayd was over and he had separated from her, We married her to you,' and the One Who was her Wali (guardian) in this marriage was Allah Himself, in the sense that He revealed to the Prophet that he should go in unto her without any Wali, contractual agreement, dowery or witnesses among mankind. Imam Ahmad recorded that Thabit said that Anas, may Allah be pleased with him, said: "When Zaynab's `Iddah finished, may Allah be pleased with her, the Messenger of Allah said to Zayd bin Harithah,

(Go to her and tell her about me (that I want to marry her).) So, he went to her and found her kneading dough. He (Zayd) said, `When I saw her I felt such respect for her that I could not even look at her and tell her what the Messenger of Allah had said, so I turned my back to her and stepped aside, and said, `O Zaynab! Rejoice, for the Messenger of Allah has sent me to propose marriage to you on his behalf.' She said, `I will not do anything until I pray to my Lord, may He be glorified.' So she went to the place where she usually prayed. Then Qur'an was revealed and the Messenger of Allah came and entered without permission. (Source: Tafsir Ibn Kathir)

The prophet had a crush on Zainab, so Zaid, Zainab's husband could not do anything but divorced her. After Zainab's iddah period had finished, the prophet proposed Zainab right away without any delay. But Zainab wanted to think about it and she went to her private place to pray. We know it is her private place because from the tafsir, it is implied that people needed her permission to enter, her bed room probably.

But the prophet could no longer hold his lust because he had been waiting for the iddah period which was 3 months, so he entered Zainab's private place without permission. It was not told what had happened in Zainab's private place, but we can make a good guess what will happen if a horny man comes to a woman's sleeping room. We can certainly say "only God knows" like what the bearded muslims say, but in this case, the prophet also knew what he was doing, right?

Not with holding his lust and being a sex maniac actually is a holy teaching from the prophet himself as shown in the hadits
Muslim Book 008, Number 3241:
Jabir b. 'Abdullah reported that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) saw a woman; and the rest of the hadith was narrated but (with this exception) that he said he came to his wife Zainab, who was tanning a (piece of) leather, and he made no mention of:" She retires in the shape of satan."

This case will force us to think that the Qur'an is nothing more than the word of the holy prophet himself, not of Allah. Surprisingly, the Qur'an does indeed say that it is the word of the prophet himself.

81:19 Verily this is the word of a most honourable Messenger,

We shouldn't deny this honourable ayah from the honourable messenger, should we?

goatbrain tahir lives in europe, doesn't he?

60-70 percent of inmates in French jails are Muslims

Daily Times Monitor

LAHORE: Around 60 to 70 percent of all inmates in the French prison system are Muslims despite them making up only 12 percent of the country’s total population, according to a report released by the Washington Post on Tuesday.

“The high percentage of Muslims in prisons is a direct consequence of the failure of the integration of minorities in France,” the report quotes Moussa Khedimellah, a sociologist who has spent several years conducting research on Muslims in the French penal system, as saying.

However, French prison officials blame the high numbers on the poverty of people who have moved to France from North African and other Islamic countries in recent decades.

“Many immigrants arrive in France in difficult financial situations, which make delinquency more frequent,” said Jeanne Sautière, director of integration and religious groups for the French prison system. “The most important thing is to say there is no correlation between Islam and delinquency.”

But Muslim leaders, sociologists and human rights activists argue that more than in most other European countries, government social policies in France have served to isolate Muslims in impoverished suburbs that have high unemployment, inferior schools and substandard housing. This has helped create a generation of French-born children with little hope of social advancement and even less respect for French authority, the report states.

In Britain, 11 percent of prisoners are Muslim in contrast to about three percent of all inhabitants, according to the Justice Ministry.

Research by the Open Society Institute, an advocacy organisation, shows that in the Netherlands 20 percent of adult prisoners and 26 percent of all juvenile offenders are Muslim; the country is about 5.5 percent Muslim.

In Belgium, Muslims from Morocco and Turkey make up at least 16 percent of the prison population, compared with 2 percent of the general populace, the research found.

#1011 Posted by masanamuthu on April 30, 2008 4:59:29 am

maulana urstruly has already given us a scientific explanation for mo raping ayesha...yup...he said it's been scientifically proven that older men are attracted to young women so, essentially, it was ok for mo to rape ayesha because..it's scientific...

ATTENTION:

Najma-goes-to-torn-apart-Ronto died yesterday uttering: In the Name of Allah, the Most Merciful.

Let's all pray for the poor soul and end this interact right here...

So what's the conclusion?.

Are people disclaiming the hadiths about Ayesha's age?. That will be a good start. :-)

Re: # 1002
Summen weg

Re: # 995

Buzz off; I'll say it German now: Summen weg!

Re: # 994
Brother,

Hundreds of pages of my own notes tell me a great deal about the translational 'angles' of translators. Mind-boggling!

I hate to break your heart but the 'correct' books cannot ever be placed above the Qur'an which is free from all inner inconsistency.

I'v said it before, the same Hadith book page sometimes gives opposing versions about the same topic. And the companions own wishes cannot be termed as 'sunnah'.

Many of the 'Israelia' traditions have done irrepairable harm to Islam. After they enemies of revealed religion did it to the Torah and the Injeel, what was left standing was the Qur'an.

I refuse to be a one-legged Muslim.

"but I think our mother may not have been able to assess her own age accurately."

This opinion gives more ammunition to the enemies! It means she suffered (God forbid) from amnesia or poor memory retention. In which case, her narrations wind up againn under the microscope. And how did intimate bedroom details wind up as authentic Hadith?

The deeper one probes, the clearer the picture becomes.

Peace & stay well.

Re: # 1004

arre baba ... agar gora ban-nay ka itna hi KHabt thaa, to choona karvaa laytay. yeh amrikan elite ki cHHaap lagvaanay ki kya zuroorat thi?

About your objection, am I to understand that if only Muhammad(SAW) had not claimed prophethood, that all you wannabe goras would have had him sanctified a Mahaatma at least ...?