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Dear nfp you never sound alarmed without reason.ref;;"the result:the emergence of warped, drawn out lecturers on tv.....&....."even though recently a once liberal english daily...."
i checked it out afterwards,"scanning" a number of talk shows ,and found you were right.there is a definite change in the trend of the talkshows, recently, and it is definitely lopsided and monopolistic.as if they are saying if you dont like the local flavor of the talk, go switch to international TV channels and hear the range of opinions you want.

#39 contd...

http://www.satp.org/satporgtp/exclusive/iraq/india_gov.htm
http://w ww.satp.org/satporgtp/exclusive/iraq/resolution.htm

#39 contd...
During 2003 Iraq attack, It was NDA govt. and they never bothered about left/right/up/down etc...( whip arab slaves in 2002,Gujrat; conduct nuke test in 1998,privatise PSUs, involve Israel in defence technologies....).

Re: # 33
bull...
"...and just ın the last few months 12 bıllıon (1 bıllıon more than the aıd) has gone out of the karachı stock exchange..."

How much of that amount is from Pakistanis, do you know?


"...pakıstan allowed us overflıght rıghts and ıt allowed all logıstıcs to go through pakıstan...."

Before joining GWOT, some nice alternatives Pakistan have been offerred by Richard Armitage; "...bombing back to stone age" or join GWOT.

When the first set of Tomahawks landed in Taliban installation (during Clinton era), Talibs/Islamists were very unhappy. They were pretty similar to street dogs. Whose highest aim was to create trouble for India and islamise Afg/Pak/India etc.... They have never expected any action from USA....

Re: # 35
RF...
Oh, what a comment!!!!!!
Paki military was ready to work under US marines during 2003 Iraq invastion (hoping some "bones" from US, like that of 1990 gulf war). Unfortunately, USA had to use Paki miliary to tame domestic crazy dogs (extreamly islamised bipeds) than involve in arab deserts.

On contrary, Indian parliament, unanimously condemned Iraq attack. George Bush was not allowed to address in joint parliamentary session. During 1st Gulf war, India indeed provided its land to be used by coalition forces, but that was not well received by all parties....

Great piece NFP, thanks for saying it like it is.

It was a good article and I must say that I feel shocked that majority of the Pakistanis are not out in the open condemning these bombings...Moreover I am equally shocked that some even endorse these tactics employed by Taliban and some think its grand USA conspiracy to defame Islam by "using" Taliban as front cover!!!!

Whereas the points are pertinent and I fully endorse them, Mr. NFP's real purpose was apparently to again "defend" PPP and Zardari....because frankly speaking the comparison was irrelevant... apparently the whole article was written just for the sentence “Men who are willing to scream bloody murder when Asif Ali Zardari is reported to twist his moustache….and the lower layer liberals are left either discussing the ins and outs of fashion, or contemplating lofty notions about constitutionalism, and (their favorite topic), the hideous crimes of Asif Ali Zardari.�

Come on Paracha…attack fanaticism but kindly do not use it to defend and justify Mr. Zardari…..Cronies like him are bringing a bad name to PPP and for that matter left wing and liberalism….. Article after article you have defended PPP using whatever way you could…

dear Nakamay Fazool Pakistani
papu jee
jealousy tujhay hamid mir say hay aur ghusa saray pakistan per nikal raha hay, tu ik kaam kar aaj tv ka wo comedy prgam chor kar geo tv per kisi horror show may dracula ban jaa, tujhay ziada make up bhee nahi karna parhay ga aur tu famous bhee ho ja ay ga.

Re: # 33

bulleya jee

Turkey rejected US request with reference to Iraq, Pakistan also rejected US request for troops whereas India would have agreed had it not been opposition from the then leftist coalition partners.

When you talk about Afghanistan then you must also remember the UN resolution which is binding for all countries. Yes, Pakistan agreed to bases and corridor for logistic movement but was duly rewarded for services rendered.

What has been happening in FATA cannot be isolated from the GWOT, retreating Taliban fighters found refuge in these areas with Pak Govt blessing, had they remained dormant things would have been different. But that was not to be, operations were carried out against various Pakistani targets that includes Govt and non-Govt people. Having regrouped in Pakistan tribal areas, these militants started to target Afghan and NATO troops across the border, thus the pressure from NATO.

First suicide bombing in Pakistan was back in 2001/2002 when extremist attacked the US Counsulate in Karachi killing innocent people and then the attack on French engineers in front of Sheraton. There was then no FATA operation, on the contrary Taliban retreating from Afghanistan were provided refuge in the tribal areas with Government blessing.

Turkey's main advantage is its constitutional protection to secularism which is protected by their military and civil society unlike Pakistan, a fundamentalist state home to religious extremists.

Pakistan needs real secularism, religion reduced and a firm hand to deal with these extremist forces. That is our salvation.

"when armed men and women who kidnap," hahaha i just saw this, point taken, but my question is when will the cooking shows stop, and when will anything actually worth watching actually take place. Between politics and cooking, really there's no time for ought else.
In the nearest language, it always works.

hamıdm mian; '..... pakistan has done pretty much the same thing .... the only difference is that musharraf did not go to parliament and ask for permission ..... even then, us troops did not cross over the border on foot - as in turkey they flew over it .......... no difference'

....there are major dıfferences...

incırlık ıs a pre-exıstıng nato base....and not a us base...ıt has combıned nato troops there...ıt only has 3500 us troops there...

obvıously the ıraq war was not fought through ıncırlık wıth these 3500 us troops....the logıstıcal center for usa ın ıraq ıs qatar...not turkey...

turkey dıd not allow usa to use ıt as a logıstıcal center, nor dıd ıt allow troop entry....the only troops ın turkey were those whıch were there through nato....

ıt just dıd not close down ıts nato bases....whıch obvıously ıt couldn't do....

pakıstan ıs not ın nato and dıd not have any us troops statıoned there...ıt specıfıcally allowed new bases to be set up...where us troops are statıoned....ı know the pakıstanı commander of one of them ın baluchıstan...

pakıstan allowed us overflıght rıghts and ıt allowed all logıstıcs to go through pakıstan....ıf the logıstıcs are not goıng through pakıstan to afghanıstan then where else are they goıng from...

there ısn't much pakıstan can do for overflıght rıghts....but certaınly. ıt dıd not need to turn ıtself ınto a logıstıcal center....consıderıng the fact that turkey, a nato ally, wasn't even wıllıng to do that...

turkey was offered 30 bılıon dollars, but ıt refused...pakıstan was offered 10 bıllıon at most....and ıt accepted and ıs now payıng the prıce of makıng ıts land a part of the war ın afghanıstan....

secondly, turkey certaınly dıd not get ıts own troops ınvolved ın the ıraq war....pakıstan had ıts own troops ınvade fata....and became an actıve partıcıpant....

thıs has resulted ın the followıng:

fata has turned agaınst pakıstan for the fırst tıme ın 60 years
talıban are now targetıng pakıstan
pakıstan, whıch never had a sıngle suıcıde bombıng, ıs now gettıng one a week
countrıes lıke australıa, whıch are always encourıng pakıstan to do more, aren't even wıllıng to send theır own crıcketers to pakıstan
us ınvestment ıs not touchıng pakıstan
and just ın the last few months 12 bıllıon (1 bıllıon more than the aıd) has gone out of the karachı stock exchange...

even your sısters are now thınkıng of movıng out....whıch they weren't goıng to do prıor to 9/11

on the other hand, turkey ıs movıng along just fıne....busıensses and tourısts are goıng ın and out....as there are no suıcıde bombıng...

pakıstan needs to get actıvely out of thıs wot as soon as possıble..ıt needs to tell the amerıcans to pack up and leave pakıstan....

after that ıt needs to tell the ttp to lay down ıts arms....ıf they don't then pakıstan can fıght them, based on pakıstan's prıorıtıes....

ıf pakıstan stays a front lıne state ın usa's wot, ı doubt any of your relatıves wıll be left there....

they may all move to turkey.....ı have been hıkıng ın ıts rock valleys, and ıt ıs wonderful place....

Although forign media is acting as regulating authority against zardari and is very frequently manipulating things for pakistan, the local writers who think so high about political dimensions have no perception about democracry of people and their struggle and their voice.
Take example of Cowasjee how easily he gets biased by reason of bbc and telegraphs!


What a bloody mess!




By Ardeshir Cowasjee

HOW ironic. Having reiterated time and time again over the past years that the then president of Pakistan, Gen Pervez Musharraf, was (and remains) the best of the worst lot, it was highly amusing to read in a column headed “Musharraf’s Pakistan had true potential� printed in the Boston Globe of Aug 26: “The sad thing is that Musharraf was the best of the current lot.�

And how factual was an editorial in The Independent (London) of the same day which opened up: “Even by the notoriously low standards of South Asian politics, Asif Ali Zardari, leader of the PPP, is a compromised figure, dogged by corruption charges. So it is hard to be enthused by the PPP’s decision to nominate its leader as the country’s next president.�

This was one day after the Financial Times had broken the news of the medical reports compiled by two New York-based psychiatrists, which had been filed in a London court to support an application to delay corruption cases brought against him by the Pakistan government. The diagnoses were delivered in March 2007 and successfully served their purpose. The FT report opens “Asif Ali Zardari, the leading contender for the presidency of nuclear-armed Pakistan, was suffering from severe psychiatric problems as recently as last year, according to court documents filed by his doctors.�

The FT report has also been picked up and commented upon internationally. Pakistan is in the news again to its detriment. Presidential candidate Zardari has been diagnosed as suffering from “emotional instability�, memory loss and concentration problems, and major depressive disorder. These court papers have caused alarm amongst the citizens of his country who question his ability, and his fitness, to occupy the presidential chair.

In these past few days, I have been inundated with e-mails calling upon me to come to the aid of the country and save it from Zardari. Little do they know what a columnist can achieve — all he can do is save a few blind donkeys and some old trees. Even were I to approach the courts, under the present circumstances, my petition would be thrown out quicker than a wink of an eye. And the same goes for the Election Commission. Citizens of Pakistan are, these days, wary of ‘consequences’.

Now, constitutionally where does Zardari stand in view of the court-backed doubts about his mental state? The president, under Article 41(2) is required to be “qualified to be elected as a member of the National Assembly�. According to Article 63(a) a person is disqualified to be a member of the National Assembly if “he is of unsound mind and has been so declared by a competent court�.

The court in London accepted the psychiatrists’ certificates and acted upon them. Zardari, if he wishes to deny the diagnoses, must plead that the London court is incompetent and that the psychiatrists were falsifying. We must go with an editorial of Aug 28 which counselled that “It would be unwise to dismiss the recent revelations about the fragile state of Mr Asif Zardari’s mental health as irrelevant,� and asked “Does the country really need another potentially deluded individual to lead it through these troubled times?�

Dementia, as any psychiatrist will confirm, is a progressive disorder which usually does not remit with any known treatment. A combination of major depressive disorder and post traumatic stress disorder can hamper memory and judgment. This goes a long way towards explaining the recent Zardari string of dishonoured signed agreements and broken promises.

As if the Zardari mental health state was not sufficient unto the day, news broke in Europe and the US two days later about the release by Switzerland of assets amounting to some $60m which were frozen in 1997 by a Geneva court investigating allegations of kickbacks received by Zardari and Benazir Bhutto between 1994 and 1997 (her second term as prime minister). In June, our attorney general penned a letter to the Swiss prosecutor general informing him that neither husband nor wife had done anything illegal and that the charges were politically motivated (thank you, USA and Musharraf, for the NRO). The money laundering case was dropped and Zardari is now richer than ever having pocketed a dubious $60m, though the PPP leader vehemently denies receiving this amount.

The investigating judge in Geneva, Daniel Devaud, was flabbergasted. “It would be very difficult to say that there is nothing in the files that shows there was possible corruption going on after what I have seen in there. After I heard what the general prosecutor said, I have a feeling we are talking about two different cases.� The Swiss release should not in any way be interpreted as a sign of innocence.

Now, let us revert to our mutilated almost incomprehensible constitution which as far as Article 62 goes is clear. To qualify as a member of the National Assembly, and thus to be able to contest the presidential election, a man must be “of good character and is not commonly known as one who violates Islamic injunctions�, and he must be “sagacious, righteous and non-profligate and honest and ameen�. No further comment is necessary.

We must wonder how our armed forces feel about all this. After all, the president is not only their supreme commander but he has his finger on the nuclear button. Zardari and his sycophantic supine political party must ask themselves if he truly qualifies to be a head of state. He has five days in which to prove himself a patriot and a democrat. Democracy, no matter what the party slogan may proclaim, is not a form of revenge and for him to carry through his ambition (which he has nursed ever since he made up his mind to rid himself of Musharraf) would be an act of vengeance upon his country and its people.

Of the three presidential candidates, Mushahid Hussain is by far the cleanest (the ‘best of the worst’). I have suggested to him that, as a directly affected party, he go to the courts immediately and at least attempt to obtain a stay order. The frightened people of the world and the people of Pakistan will undoubtedly support his move. n

arfc@cyber.net.pk

Re: # 15

romair,

"and not allow pakıstan to be used as a logıstıc center (much lıke what turkey told usa ın the begınıng of ıraq war)...."

..... turkey did not allow the us to move ground troops across its border - it allowed everything else including bombers and transporters flying out of incirlik base .... there are 4-5,000 us troops at incirlik - it is the biggest us 'logistics center' in the atrea .... the base was also used for staging troops in and out of iraq .....

..... pakistan has done pretty much the same thing .... the only difference is that musharraf did not go to parliament and ask for permission ..... even then, us troops did not cross over the border on foot - as in turkey they flew over it .......... no difference

NFP,

Hamid Mir is a biased journalist who supports the "Restoration of Judiciary" movement.

Where was this movement now that 8 Judges have come on board without Chaudry Iftikhar? This is their unity?

Truth is there was never any "movement for restoration of judiciary" - it was more like "Give Us Uur Jobs Back" Movement.

Another insightful piece on so-called Allah’s soldiers on earth and their media lackeys. Thumps up, NFP. Jeetay Raho.

Simon writes "ou do it after each blast,
until people start beating-up any potential bomber, if for
nothing else, than to escape the wall-to-wall coverage of
sorrow that would follow any such eventuality."

Didn't read the rest of your post before responding, seems like you live in la la land. You cannot end these without ending the GWOT and the GWOT is here to stay, so says the president of the United States. Next you will recommend we give pills to the entire population of Pakistan to make them feel at ease on their psychological condition. You shrinks are an amazingly moronic breed....

Have a good day,

TNI Masadi