unflinching idealism ... since 1997 archivessitemapabouthelpfeedback
ideas, identities and interactions
  • Home
  • InFocus
  • Themes
  • Columns
  • Articles
  • Fiction
  • iLogs
  • Gallery
  • Unplugged
  • Writers
  • Interactors
  • Tags
Sign in | Join Chowk
web chowk
  • Article
  • Interact
  • read writer comments
  • add to favorites
  • get rss feeds
  • print
  • email this link

Why Be Good?

Zarrar Said January 20, 2009

Latest comments   flat   threaded   latest   oldest   all

#3 Posted by TehminaTanveer on February 6, 2009 1:48:21 am
Was an interesting read, although it touches upon the age old nature versus nurture argument. One could bring in the case of operant conditioning- modification of voluntary behavior through various consequences, namely reinforcement and punishment. Learning under operant conditioning is dictated by adaptation of behavior due to exposure to the various consequences resulting from responses to stimuli, which form the core basis of this type of conditioning. Operant conditioning is clearly dependent on the adaptation of behavior to get suitable consequences. With repeated exposures to the similar conditions, the responses become permanent, as Thorndike observed in his cat-in-the-puzzle experiments [“Thorndike’s puzzle boxes and the Origins of the experimental Analysis of Behavior�, Paul Chance; Journal of Experimental Analysis of Behavior #3: Pg 433-440 (November 1999)].

These consequences dictate the type of response the subject will exhibit, adapting its behavior according to the factors of effectiveness of consequences, as stated above. The adaptive nature of behavior helps the subjects to consciously learn over the period of time. The duration of exposure to such cause and effect relation will make the learning long term, bring in permanent adaptation in case of future recurrences. Thus the article was a good twist on the use of genetics to explain behavior i.e. altruism, it didn’t however consider the case where behavior is inured or the fact that education and awareness of the consequences of ones actions makes one more rational than selfish.
There is also the philosophical perspective. The reason why man entered into a social contract was because he wanted to let go of the state of nature. Now what is the state of nature? It was the state in which man had the right to everything and everybody. He could have been selfish and greedy without consequence but still, man chose to enter the social contract and under the sovereign gave up natural rights for civil rights under which he could no longer afford to be selfish. So what does this tell you about man? It tells you how man is inherently anything but selfish.




reply to this interact write a new interact add to favorites flag objectionable content
#2 Posted by zarrar2 on January 21, 2009 8:21:56 pm
VRV
thank you for your post. you are always very positive on my articles. I actually didn't think about the common predator thing, although its very common in every aspect, work, history, love, etc. People in politics use it constantly. A prime example, india and pakistan, israel and palestine, etc.
reply to this interact write a new interact add to favorites flag objectionable content
#1 Posted by VRV on January 21, 2009 5:15:25 pm
Mr. Said,

Well researched & written.

1. A stone age man would attack another man but if both of them face a predator like a cheetah then both would join hands to attack the 'common' threat.

Even wild buffalos showed solidarity like we do in this video. This is the real event @ Kruger National park

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=LU8DDYz68kM

Is this an act of goodness or an act of 'solidarity' towards its species?

I guess 'self preservation & perpetuation' principle is hard-wired into all living beings.

2. Some animals show peculiar habits. For eg you mentioned penguins. The level of altruism among penguins can be explained from the harshness of the environment they live.

Another peculiar habit is that of nightingales who lay eggs in the nests of crows. I dont' know how they manage maternal duties with such 'habit' of laying eggs elsewhere.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ceQr90C0Em0

In this video above the predator ignores the pregnant baboon that's killed for food but takes care of the baby baboon that takes birth. Though both are of different species the motherly instinct of leopard overtakes her hunger & treats the baby baboon as her baby. Food is a necessity but this leopard overcame with motherly affection. It's another case of extreme altruism. I don't know what researchers or you say about this.

3. 'Conclusively, we are good because we are selfish beings. We want what is best for us, our families, friends, society, and culture.'

If we draw concentric circles to represent the groups you mentioned - starting with a point representing the self - we can understand 'our' behaviour. We act like a unit in each case and respond to external stimuli. There're shared needs, fears & threats. A threat to family becomes 'our' threat. A prize for our city becomes 'our' prize etc.,

It's being good to oneself i.e. 'self-welfare' principle underlies & regulates the behaviour of all living beings with exceptions (penguins in Antarctica, leopard & baby baboon).
reply to this interact write a new interact add to favorites flag objectionable content

Interact Index

    #3 TehminaTanveer
    #2 zarrar2
    #1 VRV

Also by Zarrar Said

  • Missing Link?
  • Recipe for a God
  • With Drops of Jupiter in Her Hair
more »

Similar Articles

  • A Thing of Beauty is Joy for Ever mohammad gill
  • Morality Undefined Scaliper Aziz
  • Science and Enlightenment: East and West Ali Hashmi
  • Hindu Mathematics – How Original Was It? Pervez Hoodbhoy
  • Recipe for a God Zarrar Said
more »

Swat: Paradise Lost

  • Swat Calls For Civil Society to Act
  • In Search of Political Will: Fight Against Militants in Swat
  • In memory of the Swat valley
  • The Nightmare Must End
  • In Honor of the Heroes of Swat
more »
get rss feed Get Chowk RSS Feed

Get Chowk Newsletter

Latest Interacts

  • Ravi_Kopra: What choice? Can any Abdullah,... Crowning of a Crony
  • Diesel: punjabi mole hi ex... NRO Is Just a
  • HisExcellency: re: Agha Amin wrote: "NRO... NRO Is Just a
  • Mr.India: Breaking News: Vajpayee,... The Jehadi Frankenstein
  • Mr.India: Vajpayee, Advani pseudo-moderates, Liberhan... The Jehadi Frankenstein
  • Diesel: so mulla omar was... Crowning of a Crony
  • Diesel: the allegation by NAB... NRO Is Just a
  • Diesel: the allegation by NAB... NRO Is Just a

THEMES

  • Pakistan's Struggle for Democracy
  • The Indian Story
  • Indo-Pak Relations
  • Personal Narratives
  • Religion Today
  • War on Terror
  • Role of Media
  • Call for Social Change
  • Hold Them Accountable
  • Environment and Us
  • Way of Life
more »

Top 5 Articles This Week

  • Popular
  • The Strange Case of the Indian Channels That Did Not Air the 26/11 Documentary
  • I Want Jinnah's Pakistan
  • The Jehadi Frankenstein
  • Uneven Democracy : The Cry from Chhattisgarh
  • NRO Is Just a Name
  • Featured
  • There are a Lot of Monkeys
  • White Charade
  • Words of a Woman
  • FOX News and the Smelly Shoes
  • Dilemmas of Creative Children
  • 10 Years Ago
  • Deprivation
  • Movie: Jinnah
  • Growing up an American Muslim
  • It is All About Heart and Desire!
  • Obituary: Munir Ahmad Khan

Write on Chowk Interact Guidelines Privacy policy Terms Contact

Copyright © 1997 - 2009 chowk.com. All Rights Reserved
Reproduction of material on any www.chowk.com pages without prior written permissions is strictly prohibited