Say Something Let’s Talk

Oh wow! so much talk about so many things in such little space, you must be a magician. Further to the encapsulated article about so many topics the comments add an even more spicy tone to the forum, even if I wanted to I cant stop laughing out loud when I read:
"#63 Posted by shahmurad by the way what is your email and telephone no?.....mine is 0333-2119602 and i m DR.SHAH MURAD from gulshan iqbal karachi."
Without exaggeration it sounds exactly like standing by the chowk(without the chowkidar of course).
It is certainly an article that pulls a reader back to it more than once just to be sure what I think I read is really mentioned or am I hallucinating.
Best wishes

What a BEAUTIFUL article! I have actually read this one several times, and in the future will keep on doing so, because everytime, it brings such an invigorating smile to my face... absolutely celluloid content. Top notch stuff! Wow. I can`t help but continue with exclamation marks!!!!!!!!!!

saimashah!!!....well done.It seems that you are among us.you are mine and me is you.It is spirit which spekas too loudly.keep it up....by the way what is your email and telephone no?.....mine is 0333-2119602 and i m DR.SHAH MURAD from gulshan iqbal karachi.

hey saima, great article and considering that it was published two years ago is really an eye opener, as the world is the same, pakistan is the same, hardly we are going towards real progression, and if we are then i am sorry to state that its minute in a sense that its not that visible to a layman`s eye :)

I wonder what you are dear Saminashah up above the world so high. How can one talk to you without having been introduced to you. I am not sure about your sex even though your name indicates that you are a female or have been one once. In any case I am interested in you and your articles which are perfect chowky style. But please come down to earth. The Pakland is standing at the crossroads (or it has been so from the day one), from Quaide Azam down to Zia and now vacilating moderate Musharraf. We are a confused nation having no sure ground to stand on and the abominable mulla is taking advantage of it by his shear stinking animalism helped by his terroristic outfit. So please write also about the mulla`s blasphemic laws and the halafnamas one has to submit to these demigods.

this is a great article

hi saima,

i remember this article the first time i came on chowk almost 2 years back ...

and it really made me stick to chowk ..

and urged to read more and respond my views .

and i also remember sending this article to some

25 friends ...

but now reading it after almost 2 years .

i dont know i feel tht i am glad tht things

took a better turn in our country situation

and now i can cherish abt something ..

and talk abt it .

so how abt you write a new version of say

something lets talk ..

may be this time you could make it more

hopefull..

akber Shakil

Jashn-e-azadi muabrik

correction.........last post came out wrong i meant to say if the future lies in pakistan being only hindu then lets just call a spade a spade .......lets admit we are indians who strayed from the path

[I want to talk about Buddhism and Descartes. ]

How about Islam and Ghazali?

[I want to speak of Iqbal and humanism. ]

How about Farangi_Kush and Fundamentalism?

[second most corrupt nation in the world. (why not first?...I feel almost cheated). ]

Not any more, thanks to Nigeria, Zaire......

[I want to ask why is it that we don`t know how much we love something till we lose it ? Is that what will happen with Pakistan? ]

Democracy? Tiger Peak in Kargill?

[and I want to hear what you have to say. I want to learn from you and grow. ]

How about first finishing the business of growing land area of Pakistan with the inclusion of Kashmir?

Five years ago, everything present was five years younger.

i have been for man years an admirer of muslim thought, poetry, architecture, and some concepts of Islam (like equality, etc), though i am not a muslim myself; indeed i am a son of hindu parents who escaped from karachi, like muslims who escaped from this side, during the insane carnage in the wake of the partition.

during my several years of stay in dubai, i came into close contact with many pakistanis, some of whom are my dearest friends even long after my return to india. and the pain of not getting a visa to hop across to karachi and lahore is too much.

that pain is compounded by even more as i see pakistan taking what i consider to be wrong steps. this has to do not only with army rule. which is one manifestation of the symptoms, but even more in the attitude of pakistanis. the spirit of self-analysis is not there in enough quantities. and the general mood of criticising the failures in the indian experience (which of course exist) while conveniently ignoring the larger successes made by us, is sad. of course there is sometimes the discrimination at lower levels of life against people, but it is not aimed at muslims or christians or any ethnic group as such; but whoever is in power or greater numbers anywhere tends to discriminate against the smaller, and not infrequently it may be the hindus too.

Witness then in this scenario that we can not only have had a muslim president, but currently the richest indian in the world is a muslim, azim premji of wipro, based in bangalore. in cricket, films, and virtually everywhere, no difference to us, indeed we are proud to say so. in fact, anyone, jain, buddhist (the dalai lama lives here), anyone indeed, is a great person if he does something good, not just because he is born a hindu, muslim, sikh, you name it. because he delivers.

that is why i liked your meanderings saima, because from your article it is clear that you think, and that`s where it all starts no, at thinking? thinking there was a problem got archimedes invent the screw, just as modern scientists are using their thinking to fight heart disease etc. bye!

everyone knows that pakistani economy is going through recession and indian economy is booming. how many people know that even in the darkest hour of pakistani economy, per capita GDP production of pakistan is twice than india and per cpita income is three times. the biggest problem with pakistani economy is not that we are a poor people. the biggest problem is this that government is not able to collect 90% of the taxes.

SHAME ON YOU ALL.

One hundred children have been raped and then killed brutally afterwards. How come the Police did not know nothing about this heinous crime. It is been 48 hours or may be more and the main accused is still at large. In Pakistan anyone can buy anything in the open market? Why the accused was not checked when he was buying drum load of acids? One should have some kind of permit or license to buy these big quantities of chemicals.

We have not heard or read any statements by Interior Minister who is directly incharge of law and order in this country. SHAME ON GEN.(R ) MOIN-UD-DIN HAIDER. HE SEEMS TO BE TOO BUSY IN OTHER CRAP HAPPENING POLITICALLY IN THE COUNTRY. HE SHOULD RESIGN FROM HIS POST.

WHAT ABOUT THE CHIEF EXECUTIVE WHO NEVER LET A DAY GO BY WHEN HE SHOWS HIS CONCERN FOR THE POOR AND THEIR PROBLEMS IN THIS COUNTRY. WE HAVE NOT READ ANY STATEMENT BY HIM ON THIS COLDBLOODED MURDERS. ONE HUNDERED FUTURES HAVE BEEN KILLED RELENTLESLY.

WHAT ABOUT ALL THOSE POLITICIANS FROM LEFT AND RIGHT WHO ATTENDED THE FUNERAL OF CE’s FATHER FOR A CHEAP POPULARITY AND FOR WORSHIPING THE RISING SUN. HOW MANY POLITICIANS HAVE GONE TO THE HOMES OF BREAVED FAMILIES FOR CONDOLENCES AND SHOWING THEIR SOLIDARITY WITH THEM.

SHAME ON ALL OF YOU. ALLAH BLESS PAKISTAN AND PAKISTANIS TO GET RID OF THIS PANDORAS BOX.

Assalomo Alaikum

I have just gone through your article and have come to conclusion that the only solution of the every day problems of life is the way of Allah. He who is always with us, who listen our prayers and answer them.

I am agreed that you have got very sensitive heart

and you want this Pakland to be a peaceful place. I again say that the only solution to all of our problems is the way to Allah.For further details please go to my home page:

http://www.heartwarmers4u.com/members?muslim_world

http://www.heartwarmers4u.com/members?homeo_doctor

http://www.heartwarmers4u.com/members?astropak

Thanks

Sincerely,

ASTROPAK

Assalomo Alaikum

I have just gone through your article and have come to conclusion that the only solution of the every day problems of life is the way of Allah. He who is always with us, who listen our prayers and answer them.

I am agreed that you have got very sensitive heart

and you want this Pakland to be a peaceful place. I again say that the only solution to all of our problems is the to Allah.For further details please go to my home page:

http://www.heartwarmers4u.com/members?muslim_world

http://www.heartwarmers4u.com/members?homeo_doctor

http://www.heartwarmers4u.com/members?astropak

Thanks

Sincerely,

ASTROPAK

Hi Hina.

It is a small world. I am so glad that you posted this reply. I hope you are well. write to me at saima@chowk.com. there is a lot of catching up to do.

rgds

saima

PHOOLAN DEVI, DEMOCRACY OR HYPOCRACY?

IN REPLY TO RAVEN OOPS REAVEN

Let me answer your childish comments categorically. No:1 YOU SHOULD UNDERSTAND THAT TWO NATION THEORY AT THE TIME WAS RIGHT. BUT NOW IT IS GONNA BE 8/10 NATION THEORY, BECAUSE INDIA IS SOON GONNA BE DIVIDED FURTHER, NIXELS, TAMILS, KHALASTAN, GREATER BENGAL, KASHMIR, AND MEZORAM,NAGALAND, FREE SUKKUM AND FREE MUSLIM INDIA. SO YOU ARE RIGHT THAT IT IS IN EVERYONE`S INTEREST TO SEE ALL THESE NATIONS FREE OF INDIAN OPPRESION AND OCCUPATION.

2. You seem pretty nervous about ‘BABRI MOSQUE’ AND ‘GOLDEN TEMPLE’. You did not answer me on those two GREAT DEMOCRATIC VALUES.THAT IS THE WAY INDIA RESPECTS, HONOURS AND FULLY RECOGNISES ALL RELIGIONS. HOW ABOUT THAT AUSTRAILIAN PRIEST AND HIS FAMILY WHO WERE BURNT TO DEATH JUST BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY WERE. HOW ABOUT IN THIS GREAT DEMOCRACY THE MASS KILLINGS OF UNTOUCHBALES EVERY DAY. YOU KILL YOUR OWN PEOPLE CALLOUSLY JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE “CHOTTI JAATI KAI HAIN”. MORE POWER TO YOU.

YOU MAY DENY THIS FACT BUT DEEPDOWN IN YOUR OWN HEART YOU KNOW YOU STILL HAVE CLASSES AMONG YOUR OWN PEOPLE. BRAHMANS BELIEVES STRONGLY THEY ARE BORN TO RULE, VAIDS ARE BORN TO BE AIDS(actually diesease `AIDS`) OF THE KING/RULING CLASS, KHUSHATRIA ARE BORN TO BE THE FIGHTERS (WHICH THEY ARE NOT THOUGH), AND SHOODERS(UNTOUCHABLES) ARE BORN TO BE RULED OVER. WHAT A SHAME. IS THIS DEMOCRACY OR HYPOCRACY?

3. By the way you number are concocted about murder rate in USA, I would still say that more people die because of hunger and starvation in India.

4. YOU DID NOT ANSWER ME ON THE FACT THAT NUMOROUS WOMEN ARE BEING KILLED AND RAPED BY THE INDIAN ROGUE ARMY IN JAMMU & KASHMIR AND THE ONLY REASON IS, BECAUSE IT IS A FACT.

5.Now as for as mention of the Orissa situation it is not the flood I am blaming, in fact it is the system in India I am criticizing about. So you can guess whose vision is myopic. MY HEART GOES OUT TO ALL THOSE WHO ARE IN TROUBLE RIGHT NOW. READ MY LIPS IT IS YOUR SYSTEM…………..

6.YOUR ROLE MODEL CAN BE PHOOLAN DEVI, BUT NOT OURS. If there are Laloos in other societies they are not in the assemblies, their place is in the jail, that is where they belong to.

7. ON ONE HAND YOU STRONGLY CRITICISE OUR SYSTEM AND MILITARY RULE, ON THE OTHER YOU APPROVE THAT IN JAMMU & KASHMIR. SO MILITARY RULE IS FINE WITH YOU WHERE IT BENEFITS YOU OR SUITS YOU. WHAT A JOKE? TRUST ME YOU DO NOT KNOW THE HISTORY. WE DO NOT NEED TO ASK UNO AGAIN. YOU GIVE THEM RIGHT OF SELF DETERMINATION AS WAS GRANTED TO THEM BY THE UNO.

8. YOU TALK ABOUT SO MUCH GOOD COMING OUT OF INDIA, YES WE READ THE WORLD MEDIA EVERYDAY ON KASHMIR AND ALL THE GOOD I HAVE MENTIONED IN THE PRECEEDING PARAGRAPHS. NOW AS FOR AS MULTINATIONALS COMING TO INDIA, YOU ARE HAVING PART II OF EAST INDIA COMPANY. IT IS MULTINATIONALS COMING NOT INDIANS GOING MULTINATIONAL.

9.LAST BUT NOT LEAST, WHAT IS FORTUNATE OR UNFORTUNATE FOR US, WE KNOW VERY WELL. DON’T WORRY ABOUT US, WE KNOW HOW TO RUN OUR HOUSE AND YOU WORRY ABOUT YOURS. BEFORE WE COME AND TEACH YOU TO FIX IT. NOTHING PERSONAL ALL TRUTH NOTHTING BUT TRUTH ONLY.