This Should Do It

man this was great

i mean very amusing .loved the i-couldnt-care-less attitude!

Wanted a detailed retort ( on Shandana`s piece and on a few others` ``liberated falderal``..but all I`ll say is: if one starts playing the kid to the tune of our desires/fanatasies, the difference between

human(es) and beasts would remain to be an iota

( as it is perhaps today )

WOw..some people are blessed here!

may the Almighty guide us all ( I know you dont believe but I do believe in guidance!)

Allah haafiz

Hi! Just wanted to say it was refreshing. I really enjoyed your work. It was so funny, but also it was liberating. It`s nice to know that not all women want/need to be what is a ``proper young Pakistani/Muslim.`` Those women tend to make me want to slit my wrists when I am forced to converse with them ( Which, if I`m lucky, I can limit to once a year). I just hope you can be this bold when speaking to anyone in person. And, even if this work is fiction, it gives me hope that not all Pakistani women are tight assed and fake, and full of (innocent little girl come save me) ideas. For a Pakistani girl who has very little interaction with Pakistani`s and has very ``liberal`` thinking. This was a good read.

`You Should do it`

Hahaha. You`re nuts. Totally nuts.

Just found this site today, and wow, you have changed my whole attitude about PK women. I did not think that there would be one capable of such brute honesty. I wish I was :)

If you are around let`s have dinner and be brutally honest

Baber

Well for what its worth, i`ll put in my 2 cents. I liked the piece because the woman portrayed showed self confidence in herself, and that at least to me is the only type of woman i can ever respect. I detest demure characters who allow themselves to be dominated by men. They practically invite patriarchial males to abuse they by adopting the personality of doormats.

Shahbaz has it right on male masturbation, and also on one of men`s greatest fantasies being to have wild, uninhibited sex with women who are equally into it, and especially with multiple partners. Sexually aggressive women who know how to take/share control during sex, who are not ashamed (as Paki society teaches them to be) of their own bodies are what normal men want. Passive chicks for the sickos.

Shahbaz, you should visit Le Trapeze in NYC. You`ll love this club. Take a girl with u, no singles allowed.-:)

Some people mentioned that sex the first time around should be an emotionally powerful/charged experience. Well, it certainly is/should be one of the memorable ``firsts`` of life.

Repression of desires only leads to headcases in life, people who have missed out on living. I pity those who fantasize, but are afraid to act out their fantasies and go instead into denial.

comments ?

I like the disclaimer !

This one I liked for its honesty. I find it very difficult to believe you are not a ``nymph`` as you claim.

Shahbaz:

Nahhhh. I`m paying. Which means YOU owe ME.

Being in the Land of the Pure will do that to ya!

- B.

shahbaz, have you ever heard of the word `sophistry?`

Also, i don`t know if you noticed before you were carried away by the flood of your eloquence that the word `proper` was enclosed in quotation marks. That usually means something, no?

peace.

Hey Shahbaz...

Wanna do - er- dinner?

- Bina

correction to be made

WHY do you feel an experiance with a virgin or MUSLIM Woman would not be satisfying?

sorry bout that..i felt, belatedly, that there is no reason that being muslim should keep one segregated from pleasure ;))

one more thing shahbaz

WHY do you feel that an experiance with a virgin would NOT be satisfying??? au contraire, i think it would be something memorable. that is, if she is sexually aware of herself. i see you doing something in your writing that you might be doing conciously. you are confusing the issue of being a slut with being a senuous, aware female. being proud of ones sluttiness?...no i dont think that is sumthing ot be proud of at all. one should respect their mind body and soul...and being called a slut in NO way will do that for you. on the other hand...being proud of ones sensuosness or reveling in THAT..yes that makes more sense. inadvertantly, while trying to defend these sexually aware women you , yourself are labeling them as sluts. it is so very interesting for me to see the way language can misinterpret our thoughts and feelings...but then agian, what other mode of communication do we have??

just wanted to add that bit in with my response ;))



rizvi

Shahbaz

I really admire your candid nature and the way you are saying it like it is.

but tell me...what do you think..REALISTICALLY speaking..would the reaction of men and women around me be, if i were to come out and say yes i masturbate. i mean..theoretically speaking, i should be accepted for who or what i am and what i do..but if i were to masturbate and be aware of my body ( a heady experiance if there ever was one..tha tis not induced by drugs and alcohol) most men would see me ONLY as a sex object and most women as a `slut`. i do think that masturbating is a healthy normal activity and one that most men and very few women indulge in. i had once had an idea, a foolish, naive notion, about teaching the women of pakistan about themselves and who and what they are and what they are really capable of. a: who am i to do so? and B: if i started preaching masturbation i would prolly get stoned on the streets or raped repeatedly by men who dream about `sluts`. you talk about realism my friend. i find that you live in a very unreal world where social norms and regulations mean nothing. you say to go out and find your own niche and people like myself. its hard to do when i, myself am so many different people. i am sexually aware of myself, but/and i wear hijab. hijab to me symbolizes a protection. i do feel like a rare gem or jewel to be protected. does this mean i cannot flaunt and better yet, shimmer in my sexuality? yes, in a way it does. can i help it that i am still seen as sexy even within my protective hijab? no..because that ALSO is a part of me. its not as easy for the rest of us, wanting to be so many differnt things and wanting to do so many differnt things to just go and find ONE place to fit into. i wish it were as easy as that. where would i house my south asain counterpart, my conservative part, not so conservative part, traditional part, more liberal part, american part, student part, 20 yr old going on 30 and 20 yr old going on 5 part?? what i find myself doing is splitting my niches into sub niches. makes for a more diverse lifestlye and gives me the choice to be whom i want to be any given day. i blame most of it on my piscean nature :)

thank you for your response however, it was heartening to read...i will say one thing however..a penis isnt all that neceassary :))

take care

z.rizvi.

incidentally, shirley manson (garbage`s lead vocalist) is in person a very gentle, very `proper` woman. the stage act is, well... just that... an act that`s designed to promote a certain image and shift more units. Which, to me, makes it slightly more ironic. Love doesn`t make the world go around any more, it`s all irony these days.

re, zehra... i don`t think wordsworth would work. i have a feeling shandana might not care for him too much. perhaps an autographed terry pratchett might do the trick?

Re: shabaz

i LOVE this line...where`s it from?? ``this is the noise that keeps me awake, my head explodes and my body aches`` ..talk about describing an aroused and frustrated person with this sweet aching delicious pain...do tell where you got this from :))

also....sex being this primitive and instintic, animal lusty hunger thing for you..well it is for most everyone..however most don`t choose to describe it as such. it is easier for men to say it as it is, but society norms and regulations lead women to be more conservative about their views because of the negative response they can draw...take for example my being called a slut just cuz i said i loved men :)) Realistically speaking ( realism being sumthing you stressed about in your response) women do NOT like to have bad reps and protect themselves becasuse a bad rep leaves you open to all types of attacks both physical and verbal...not many women i know like to be put in that position :)) it would be great in an Ideal world if as a woman i could just say it as it is and not have to worry about being labled a slut, or being notorious for my promiscuity which may or may not be a myth. realistically, this world we live in is NOT an open place and one, esp a woman should be careful about whom they trust and what they say. what a depressing place to be.

confusing the issue of lust with euphemisms about emotion and such...well...sex IS going to be a very emotional act for me...i think it is for most women. it is a different prespective all together. i dont feel that saying that it IS emotional that i am covering up in any way that i enjoy sex or that it is not an insticnt and base lust. it will be enotional as well..and that is looking at it realistically :))

re; arif

are u gonna buy her flowers too or no? i would suggest a nicely bound book of wordsworth`s poems...guaranteed to melt any heart :Þ

regards

z. rizvi