The Aura and Mystique of the KOH-I-NOOR

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wrote a long post.spent about 40 mintues on it and when said `Send``, got an eroor message..pushed the back button.and screen was blank.....Chowkwallas..Please do something about it. It is so irritating.

kafir k khan # 36

Kafir sahib, kee haal hai janab?

Please do not award Kohinoor/4 to Nehru/Gandhi family. Even these light hearted jokes bring back very bad memories. This family is very treacherous and I hope it does not represent all Kashmiri Brahmins. Guru Teg Bahadur and Guru Gobind singh sacrificed everything they had for these rascals. However, Indira Gandhi and Rajiv had no qualms about manipulating and butchering Sikhs in 1984. And what do the collective street smart, gentle and secular people of India do after Sikh butchering? They provide the largest recorded parliamentary majority to Rajiv!

Give K/4 to the movie star your Kafir club likes.

Regards.

There is factual error in the article.Mughal Badshah Aurangzeb did not die in Ahemednagar. He died in Aurangbad in todays maratha state.In Aurangbabad there is Monument to his wife.She was buried and he built a mini black stoned ``Tajmahal`` called Bibika mukbara.Aurangabad is today industrial area outside Bombay-Poona belt of maratha state.Major companies like Philips india,Bajaj scooters,escorts ,gedore tools etc.The time flows things change.Today the mayor of Aurangbad is BJP member. I am pakistani and visit my relatives there every 5 years. It just comes to mind time just takes over mighty as well as meeks.

Ref Dulla Bhatti # 29:

Thanks for explaining the Lohri song. So Dulla married off some poor farmer`s daughter and not his own, as I thought all this time. After all there have been and will be more ostentatious marriages than distributing `seeers of shakkar`.

``ujj sanu daahDa loRhiNda ikk dulla bhatti hor

bhanneiN dilli de kingray te bhaajhaR paavay takhat lahore...``

Please explain and translate this verse. Who wrote it?

Ref Pardesi # 32

Pardesi sahib;

Thanks for triggering my memory

``..who became Bairagi when he accidentally killed a pregnant deer in one of his hunting expeditions. He was convinced to come out of his “bairag” and fight against oppression by Guru Gobind Singh.`` That is how I remember it too.

His name was Lakshman Rao (?), an ex-prince of some state (?) around Mysore. I visited Mysore last year and could understand Kannada only when they sprinkled some english words in their conversation. Although Guru Govind Singh knew Persian, Arabic, Brij-bhasha besides Punjabi, it must have taken quite an effort to convince Bairagi Rao to renounce Bairag.

``..killing of Guru’s two youngest sons Jorawar singh, 9 and Fateh singh 7 years...``

These kids were implored to see the light and convert to Islam, but they refused. I think it was on hearing the news of their death, (or might be the other two teenager sons, who died in battle) that their mother exclaimed `` Doh muae to kaya Hua, Jeewat Kai Hazar``. Their cold blooded brutal murder by fundamentalists was a turning point in Punjab`s History. At one point Guru Govind Singh had only twenty six followers left, but after their revolting murder thousands of Hindu and Muslim farmers became Sikhs.

Banda Bairagi did avenge the Sahibjadas` murder and is considered a `local` prominent hero in East Punjab. That he might have been Kannada speaking, side to side head-shaking vegetarian Sadhu at one time is generally glossed over.

The massacre of Muslims that Sameer sahib mentioned is only obliquely referred to in that ``Banda `played` one brick of Sirhind against an other``. It is interesting that there were many prominent contemporary Muslims( such as Nawab of Malerkotla) who were opposers of Moghal tyranny.



After his capture, Banda Bahadur was tortured with hot pliers for months on end to accept Islam. His young bride was taken in as a concubine by emperor Alamgir(?) and converted to Islam. She pleaded with Banda Bahadur to convert if not for his own life, then at least for their one year old son`s life. No, the Bairagi had gone back to his bairag. Eventually the baby was killed and his flesh forced down the father`s throat.

That the Hindu civilization, despite all its shortcomings, did not go the way of Egypt, Babylon and Persia may be partly due to the `kind secular nature of Islam`, but Jorawar Singh, Fateh singh and Banda among countless others played no mean part.

Ref.: kafir K. Khan # 33

`` Renaming of Tajmahal. they call it Teromahal, tejomahal or JoJomahal, what difference does it make. If have a list of names you can choose from:

BoBomahal, BulBulmahal, Trumpmahal,BJPmahal or plain DumDum.``

LOL.. It is Gulkhand time.

Thanks for the information on Dogras` involvement in Anglo-Punjab wars. Who are Dogras? Are they Punjabis, from Himachal Pardesh or from Jammu? Talking about treachry, I remember reading about a Hindu Raja of Kashmir, who publicaly suckled on the breasts of the wife of Dara Shikoh as a symbolic token of adopting her as his mother, but betraying the couple in a crucial battle against Aurangazeb. Not that the Hindus have a monoply on treason. Dara was betrayed, arrested and handed over to his brother by a Pathan host(Jiwan Mallik?, whose life he had saved years earlier) while the poor prince was desperately trying to escape into Iran.

Dara Shikoh`s son was given asylum by the Raja of Kashmir and ultimately betaryed and handed over to Aurangazeb.

Ref Dulla Bhatti # 29:

Thanks for explaining the Lohri song. So Dulla married off some poor farmer`s daughter and not his own, as I thought all this time. After all there have been and will be more ostentatious marriages than distributing `seeers of shakkar`.

``ujj sanu daahDa loRhiNda ikk dulla bhatti hor

bhanneiN dilli de kingray te bhaajhaR paavay takhat lahore...``

Please explain and translate this verse. Who wrote it?

Ref Pardesi # 32

Pardesi sahib;

Thanks for triggering my memory

``..who became Bairagi when he accidentally killed a pregnant deer in one of his hunting expeditions. He was convinced to come out of his “bairag” and fight against oppression by Guru Gobind Singh.`` That is how I remember it too.

His name was Lakshman Rao (?), an ex-prince of some state (?) around Mysore. I visited Mysore last year and could understand Kannada only when they sprinkled some english words in their conversation. Although Guru Govind Singh knew Persian, Arabic, Brij-bhasha besides Punjabi, it must have taken quite an effort to convince Bairagi Rao to renounce Bairag.

``..killing of Guru’s two youngest sons Jorawar singh, 9 and Fateh singh 7 years...``

These kids were implored to see the light and convert to Islam, but they refused. I think it was on hearing the news of their death, (or might be the other two teenager sons, who died in battle) that their mother exclaimed `` Doh muae to kaya Hua, Jeewat Kai Hazar``. Their cold blooded brutal murder by fundamentalists was a turning point in Punjab`s History. At one point Guru Govind Singh had only twenty six followers left, but after their revolting murder thousands of Hindu and Muslim farmers became Sikhs.

Banda Bairagi did avenge the Sahibjadas` murder and is considered a `local` prominent hero in East Punjab. That he might have been Kannada speaking, side to side head-shaking vegetarian Sadhu at one time is generally glossed over.

The massacre of Muslims that Sameer sahib mentioned is only obliquely referred to in that ``Banda `played` one brick of Sirhind against an other``. It is interesting that there were many prominent contemporary Muslims( such as Nawab of Malerkotla) who were opposers of Moghal tyranny.



After his capture, Banda Bahadur was tortured with hot pliers for months on end to accept Islam. His young bride was taken in as a concubine by emperor Alamgir(?) and converted to Islam. She pleaded with Banda Bahadur to convert if not for his own life, then at least for their one year old son`s life. No, the Bairagi had gone back to his bairag. Eventually the baby was killed and his flesh forced down the father`s throat.

That the Hindu civilization, despite all its shortcomings, did not go the way of Egypt, Babylon and Persia may be partly due to the `kind secular nature of Islam`, but Jorawar Singh, Fateh singh and Banda among countless others played no mean part.

Ref.: kafir K. Khan # 33

`` Renaming of Tajmahal. they call it Teromahal, tejomahal or JoJomahal, what difference does it make. If have a list of names you can choose from:

BoBomahal, BulBulmahal, Trumpmahal,BJPmahal or plain DumDum.``

LOL.. It is Gulkhand time.

Thanks for the information on Dogras` involvement in Anglo-Punjab wars. Who are Dogras? Are they Punjabis, from Himachal Pardesh or from Jammu? Talking about treachry, I remember reading about a Hindu Raja of Kashmir, who publicaly suckled on the breasts of the wife of Dara Shikoh as a symbolic token of adopting her as his mother, but betraying the couple in a crucial battle against Aurangazeb. Not that the Hindus have a monoply on treason. Dara was betrayed, arrested and handed over to his brother by a Pathan host(Jiwan Mallik?, whose life he had saved years earlier) while the poor prince was desperately trying to escape into Iran.

Dara Shikoh`s son was given asylum by the Raja of Kashmir and ultimately betaryed and handed over to Aurangazeb.

* * * To avoid controversy of political nature, we decided to give it to Sonia Gandhi on condition that she would put it in the center of necklace low enough to be at the apex of the cleavage. Got that. * * *

kafir ji, I have an objection with that. I thought we were discussing how to get it back from Goray and you are just giving it back to them. No good.

About apex of Sonia`s cleavage.....I better not say anything.

It is choori time anyways...

DullaBhatti

RE: Kafir K Khan Reply#33

As a matter of fact naming Taj Mahal as Tejo Mahal does make a difference. ``Tejo`` being one of the names of Hindu diety Shiva. It is being claimed that Shiva was born there.

So Kohi-Noor is still radiant.Please allow me to gaze at it for a while.

March 29,1849 will be etched in the sikh psyche forever.That was the last day Dilip Singh sat upon the royal throne.That was the day he signed the treaty(read:surrender) with the Brit thugs.Panjab was finally annexed to the dominion.

Kohinoor was dispatched to Victoria.

Dilip Singh was not barely 12.He ``signed`` away the diamond.

A Dr.Legin was appointed his guardian``,who brainwashed him into `accepting christianity.In september 1849,Dilhousie(governor) put Dilip in FatehGarh prison.

Dilip Singh adopted the vulgar western culture & manners & thus became ``modern``.

On a stopover in France on his trip to england,he heard that about the grand pension being doled out to Navvab Vajid Alishah.He protested.As an answer his 5 lakh annual welfare money was cut down to half.

He started a letter-writing campaign & petition but the Brits saw that his church visits were shrinking.He begged them to be allowed to remain as a loyal subject but with some spend-money.Not so.

Finally he decided to leave for India.Now the blackmailing by the Britty thugs started again.Fifty thousand pounds were offered,he declined.

Finally he was allowed to leave england,proviso he did not settle in Panjab.

He wrote a letter in the newspaper ``Bharat Keerti`` that he was harassed & tortured to become a christian & declared his return to Sikhism.

Panicing,the Brit thugs detained & imprisoned him in Aden & then brought back to london.Even after many pleas he was not released.

Finally he managed to reach Russia.His pretty wife died & then he lived in France till his last rites were performed there-------far far away from his beloved Panjab!!!

SameerJB, MannyD, DullaBhatti:

My 2 cents on Banda Bahadur .. I remember stories about him that he was a Rajput warrior who became Bairagi when he accidentally killed a pregnant deer in one of his hunting expeditions. He was convinced to come out of his “bairag” and fight against oppression by Guru Gobind Singh. As Sammer sahib (the ultimate authority on Punjabi history : - ) ) said, Banda Bahadur avenged Sirhind governor’s killing of Guru’s two youngest sons Jorawar singh, 9 and Fateh singh 7 years. In Sikh folklore this killing raises lot of emotions due to their age and mode of death (raising a brick wall around them). Banda Bahadur was later tortured to death in Delhi.

Ref: Sameer JB # 28

Dulla Bhatti # 27

Thanks a lot friends. The song about Dulla Bhatti has been bugging me for a while, because it gives no indication of the events surrounding his life except that he married off his beautiful daughter named Mundri and distributed around one seer of Shakkar to the mendicants.

Lohri in east Punjab is somewhat similar to Halloween, in that kids go around from house to house collecting sweets and firewood for a community bonafire, singing ` Sunder Munderiye, tera kaun Vichara, Dulla Bhatti Wala``....

Thanks again.