Demolition Derby

ylh.....i think it was 7-36.....great game except for the end....

reply to #3 latif chappu:

Firstly I agree with your first statement about the market GDP of NFL. And my reply number 1 never implied disagreement. But your statement

``My advice is to stop wishing anything that exists in the US to happen to Pakistan``

This my friend is a totally wrong approach to have. Yes as Pakistan we have our own identity our own culture that we do not neccesarily want to ape the west, but there is nothing wrong in adopting processes and businesses that work in other countries - in Pakistan. We can work hard with initiative (though difficult at times) to make things happen in our country and achieve prosperity by looking at successful states.

Secondly your other weak statement

``Things that happen in the US are a direct result of its socio-economic culture``

Yes agreed this is true in every country and in Pakistan we can develop a better cricket system, maybe not based on the NFL but a competitive sports structure that has endorsements and sponsorships. People are crazy for cricket but currently there is no interest in HBL Vs WAPDA like games. A structure and a business plan with some investments from MNCs and private investors could definitely create a proper cricket structure. The demand is there from the Pakistani masses. It is just a question of marketing. Profits can be made.

My advice to you is not to be cynical. Look at Pepsi endorsing the Pakistani team. They draw huge crowds around the world where desis reside - why can`t we market (eg Karachi united) around Pakistan and the sub continent with a few international players playing with the likes of afridi and moin khan?

It is a dream but a realistic one - an idea worth investigating. Like the entrepreurial spirit of Apple says ``think different``. Otherwise you might be under estimating the power of cricket in the sub-continent.

Who says the Jew,Hindu Nexus is IMAGINARY??????

Controversial Hindu Website comes back with Jewish help

Author:

Publication: www.indya.com

Date: June 13, 2001

When its service provider pulled the plug on

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HINDUNITY.ORG, a Website run out of Queens and

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Long Island in New York, the Hindu group turned to a radical Jewish group in Brooklyn.

There was no problem getting the Website back on track. The Hindu Website group received help from the Hatikva Jewish Identity Centre, which runs the Website kahane.org.

It’s named after Israeli politician Rabbi Kahane, who was killed at a Manhattan hotel in 1990. Members of the kahane.org and hinduunity.org have since come together on several occasions.

For instance, some of the Hindus marched alongside Jews in the annual salute to Israel parade on Fifth Avenue in May.

And about 10 days ago, the Jews reciprocated by joining a protest outside the United Nations against the treatment of Hindus in Afghanistan. The Hindu Website urges Hindus to fight for their religion, people and Bharat.

News of the Hindu Website’s shutdown and quick comeback reached the prestigious New York Times, which carried an article on June 2.

indya.com contacted Rohit Vyasmaan, who helps run the Website from his home in Flushing, Queens, He forwarded us over to Sanjay Sharma, president of the Website.

Sharma is a resident of New Delhi and United Kingdom. Excerpts from an interview:

Q. How do you feel when people say that your site is a hate site?

A. A short answer is “truth hurts”. Our Website, along with countless others, simply exposes the truth about Islam. Our site contains well-researched articles from around the world that we have painstakingly gathered. Our editorials are meticulously written. Thus we are not a hate site, but a site that brings the truth behind the veil of Islam and Christianity. The world must know what they preach.

Q. Are you or your group members militant Hindus as The New York Times article says in its very first paragraph?

A. Most people are not willing to sacrifice themselves for their country and religion. We are. Does this make us militants? Not at all. It makes up proud patriotic Hindus, who will make sure that Hinduism survives for all of our future generations. We are the protectors of dharma and we will do anything to destroy adharma. As soldiers of Hindutva, we encourage members to place religion and nation before themselves. Besides we are on the defensive not the offensive.

Q. ``It almost appeared as if Kahane was speaking for Hindus,`` Vyasmaan was quoted as saying in The New York Times article. How is that?

A. He believed that the only way to face an enemy is by using their own methods but at a higher degree. They should receive more pain than they impart to others. Only then will they learn the ways of good communal relationships. The greatest hoax played on Hindus is that tolerance is the base of our religion. Whoever says this should explain why Arjun was encouraged into battle by none other than Lord Krishna himself.

Q. Tell me a little about your relations with the Jewish community? Why do you think Hindus and Jews should stick together?

A. We go back a long way. It is the Bible that contains the first mention of Jews in connection with India. The Book of Esther, which dates from the second century BC, cites decrees enacted by Ahasuerus relating to the Jews dispersed throughout the provinces of his empire, from Hodu to Kush. Hodu is Hebrew for India; Kush is Ethiopia. There has been a connection between Hindus and Jews for some time, as you can see. Judaism and Hinduism (and its offshoots) are the only two world religions that have historically displayed tolerance and the ability to co-exist with others, unconditionally. We believe that Hindus and Jews can gain a great deal from one another in our fight for a free and strong Israel and Bharat (India).

Q. When the plug was pulled on your Website, some members of the Jewish community helped. How will you repay them for their help?

A. HinduUnity and Kahane are allies in the same war. We are proud of our alliance with the Jewish people. Anything we do for them or vice-versa is for a common cause. Looking at the bigger picture, our alliance with the Jews shall remain strong and we shall fight the injustices to our people and free our lands of the rogue that hounds both our countries.

Q. As countries, what more steps do you think India and Israel should take for an even more friendlier relationship?

A. To agree on all kinds of relationships. They should both act as one. An attack on one should be considered as the same on another. Each one should help the other in refining the methods of destroying the Islamic terror.







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In the top twenty One day Bowling Figures ... Pakistan Captain Waqar Younis is mentioned 4 times!

You go Younis!

WAQAR YOUNIS GETS 7/37 ....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dear latif chappu,

``Pathetic situation as usual. Every now and then Chowk prints a random & mundane article on cricket by Mofeez in a weak attempt to provide `variety` and tone down the acerbity of Indo-Pak pissing matches by inserting timely nuggets such as these.``

I understand your frustration. I can not handle covering every cricket game on my own so with more volunteers to write things can get better. However, why don`t you consider this to be like the other articles that Shandana or Pervez Hoodbhoy write. They are not asked to write every week or on a schedule. They write whenever they have something to say. Likewise, I write when there is a series that I like and have time to cover.

``No offence Mofeez but what is one to do with a droning summary of a cricket match that is inconsequential even within the narrow context of this triangular tournament. I will guarantee that you wont see more than 50 replies on this thread.``

I do not write for the replies. I write for myself because I miss the game that I played on a professional level before coming here. I am one of those who thinks that every international game is important. You will never see Australia taking this kind of a game lightly. They go all out in every game whether they have made it to a final or not. I feel the same way.

``1. Is Pakistan the richest harvesting ground for natural talent in the world?``

After Australia, yes.

``2. Is the ICC Code of Conduct biased in favor of a western cultural inclination?``

No but its implementation is.

``3. Is Tendulkar the best batsman since Bradman?``

On natural talent yes. On match temperament and getting wins for the team, no.

``4. Should Michael Bevan be playing in Tests?``

He should atleast be given a chance. I do not think he will succeed however.

``5. Is the worldwide perception that Pakistanis doctor the ball justified?``

No

Hello Aziz786,

``I am not sure who assigned you to writing cricket match reports but you sure s * *k at it.``

I do not have a problem with you not liking my writing style. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. As they say ``Opinions are like a..holes, everyone has one``.

``The rule used for rain affected matches is called ``Duckworth Lewis`` rule and it would have made a lot of sense for you to mention that in this report since it was used. And your comment that ``I am not sure how they do the calculations but man that does not sound right to me`` tells it all. You sure don`t understand because you never read the D/L method to begin with.``

I do know about the rule and how it works. So do Botham and Gower. Both of them mentioned that it is such a difficult calculation to understand that it is not worth trying to. That is what I was trying to say. How can the team batting second be made to score MORE than what the first side got?? That is what did not sound right to me. The side batting second should never be asked to get runs that were never scored.

``I would suggest you give up reporting cricket matches and just stick to reading weekly sports column in Urdu Times.``

That just speaks of your prejudice against people who speak Urdu (Pakistanis) and I will not comment on that.

By the way, I was asked by the Chowk administration to write. If you feel that I am not doing a good job, please do complain to them. Also, it is not a job that one person can handle on his own so if you want to volunteer to write, you are more than welcome.

Mofeez

can we not simply accept that the pakistani team - aimed at the senior players - are a disappointingly lazy lot? the example being set for junior players is quite appalling.

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Mofeez,

It seems u watched the whole game ball by ball but I think England was unlucky on that day as whenever they were on top their was a stoppage due to rain and Australians were able to regroup and the tempo of english team was broken and then in the end that method is ridiculous for the rain shortened matches and ICC must devise a better method for this.

Why Pakistan cant have a better team, I think you have already answered it in your post. Basically we need some good sponsors to promote the game and improve the image of the game, and unless you are in the Pakistan team you are not paid well enough and chances for playing pakistan are also quite remote. Our domestic cricket also lacks the competitiveness.

There is another important thing which exists in our system which is called support or in desi language `PAWWA`, I can give u my personal eg. I played for Karachi Under-14 when I was young, but I left it when I came in class 9th as I knew there is no future for you if you dont have any backing. Because in all the practice sessions(nets) ur coaches and manager are saying that u r in the team and all the team planning is based upon those players but on the match day Shoaib Mohammad, Haroon Rasheed, Saleem Jaffer etc. would come and say to the team management that this newphew of mine should play the game and guess what 3-4 deserving players are out of the team and these 3-4 guys would loose interest in playing cricket and they think its not fair and instead its better if they try their hand studying or in something else, as nobody will be able to rob them of their chances and they want to make a career on their own then the parents and family also backs you up when you decide ur future is not cricket. This thing exists at a very junior level so how would a person think of persuing his career in this field when he knows that he will be unable to make it to Pakistan team when he is having problems in playing for even Karachi.

But in a way we are better then the team across the border, which has a population 5-6 times bigger then Pakistan :)

Thanx,

Asim

rightly said gfm....all the god given talent in the world.... especially when u compare the potential of our cricketers to let`s say a country like india where the population is 10 times ours......but what good is such talent when it`s wasted? we def need to shine more then just the rough edges....more cohesiveness and a larger overhaul needed......hopefully this can be done before 2003.......

Re: gfm

The market cap of NFL alone is more than the GDP of Pakistan. A pro league will work if there is enough sports dollar to go around. My advice is to stop wishing anything that exists in the US to happen to Pakistan. Things that happen in the US are a direct result of its socio-economic culture. There cant be titty bars in a theocracy.

Re: Chowk & Mofeez

Pathetic situation as usual. Every now and then Chowk prints a random & mundane article on cricket by Mofeez in a weak attempt to provide `variety` and tone down the acerbity of Indo-Pak pissing matches by inserting timely nuggets such as these.

No offence Mofeez but what is one to do with a droning summary of a cricket match that is inconsequential even within the narrow context of this triangular tournament. I will guarantee that you wont see more than 50 replies on this thread. I am completely convinced that the highly touted sub continental passion for cricket is but a mirage. I can think of at least 15 good cricket topics to talk about but all people want to do here is take a dump on each other.

Three articles below yours is Aisha`s rambling incoherence, which is being supplanted with a constant cacophony of vicious barks and is now ironically standing at interact number 769! The odds on favorite to eclipse Bilal Musharraf`s record of 1189 replies!!

All I can do in the meanwhile is offer to talk about cricket. Should anyone here wish to reciprocate I shall be much obliged:

Proposed topics:

1. Is Pakistan the richest harvesting ground for natural talent in the world?

2. Is the ICC Code of Conduct biased in favor of a western cultural inclination?

3. Is Tendulkar the best batsman since Bradman?

4. Should Michael Bevan be playing in Tests?

5. Is the worldwide perception that Pakistanis doctor the ball justified?

Any takers?

LC

I am not sure who assigned you to writing cricket match reports but you sure s * *k at it.

The rule used for rain affected matches is called ``Duckworth Lewis`` rule and it would have made a lot of sense for you to mention that in this report since it was used. And your comment that ``I am not sure how they do the calculations but man that does not sound right to me`` tells it all. You sure don`t understand because you never read the D/L method to begin with.

I would suggest you give up reporting cricket matches and just stick to reading weekly sports column in Urdu Times.

Fielding @ Deep Point,

Aziz.

Pakistan unfortunately has all the cricketing talent in the world but no professional training or grooming that south africa, england and australia provide.

I think if we take 11 cricketers from the street aged 16-20 anywwhre in Pakistan and make them play and train with great coaches and play competitive cricket in kinds of conditions - grassy pitches, spinning tracks in front of big crowds then only will pakistan become the brazil of cricket it truly deserves.

If we could get some big investors (hope in hell) we should set up a franchise ie a league of professional cricket based on the NFL,NBA etc and then make real high calibre teams

karachi tigers

lahore lions

faisalabad Titans

Pindi Panthers

Sheikapura Wildcats

Multan Mutilators

Pesahwar Warriors

why can`t pakistan produce 10-20 world class cricket teams?

If the aussies a population of 20 m can produce a world beating team why can`t pakistan produce 15-20 with our population of 160M?

We all know we have the most God given talent. Just drive through Karachi, Lahore, Sialkot or Multan on a weekend and you will see what I mean.......all do to with training and grooming