The Pattern of Hatred

M N Roy on Gandhiism

But Gandhism is not a coordinated system of thought. There is little philosophy in it…. The fact that even 20th century India is swayed by the naïve doctrines of Gandhi speaks for the cultural backwardness of the masses of her people. The popularity of Gandhi and the uncritical acceptance of his antics as the highest of human wisdom knock the bottom off the doctrine that Indian people as a whole are morally and spiritually superior to the Western…. Gandhism is the ideological reflect of this social background. It sways the mass mind, not as a moral philosophy but as a religion. It is neither a philosopher nor a moralist who has become the idol of the Indian people. The masses pay homage to a Mahatma- a source of revealed wisdom and agency of supernatural power. The social basis of Gandhism is cultural backwardness; its intellectual mainstay, superstition…. The Gandhian utopia is a static society- a state of absolute stagnation

I would like to join this intersting site and I hope that the inter-change here can help us avoid teh madness of yet another conflict between India and Pakistan

Subroto: So are you sardar? one of the rare species on chowk.:-)

RE Ali2 # 298

``Just like Jinnah to buy suits from England and strut around like a peacock while his people starved at home.``

Get real bro, do you deny yourself luxuries cos people in your part of the world are starving. Do you never go out to eat?

Quite frankly he wore those suits cos he could afford to buy Seville Row suits from his honest hard earned money. Why would you expect him to stop doing it cos people were starving? At least he was honest about his lifestyle. If you have ideological differences with his politics feel free to attack it, but lets keep personal choices on clothing and food out of it.

RE Veeresh #297 & others on Surdy Names

I sir am one of the truely fortunate ones. Born a day after the ceasefire, a lot of my father`s brother officers had suggested ``Ceasefire Singh`` as a name and as my father was awarded a gallantary award - led a team which brought back a few Patton tanks home - the other alternative was ``Patton Singh``. Fortunately papa dear did not give in and Subroto is here on chowk.

An old joke which you may have heard - six boys were sitting on a bench feeling Happy, ultimately Happy got bored and walked away.

I came across this quote from Diwan Chaman Lal today ...

`Jinnah was frankly in a despondent mood. He is one of the few men who have no personal motives to nurse or personal aims to advance. His integrity is beyond question.`

Sayyid `Jinnah` pages 400-402

Also quoted in Diwan Chaman Lal`s `Quaid e Azam`.

Ali2

``It is comical to see Jinnah in his portraits. A decrepit old man with hollow cheeks ... frankly an embarassment for any country.``

But compared to a butt-ugly half naked fakir, anyone can look handsome ...

But all jokes aside ... to make mockery of a dying man suffering from tuberculosis and Lung Cancer is hardly funny... here is Jinnah when he was young...

http://www.angelfire.com/trek/jinnah/YoungJinnah.html

and here is Jinnah with Gandhiji...

http://www.angelfire.com/trek/jinnah/Jinnah%20And%20Gandhi.html

{ Jinnah was something of a dandy: He owned 200 Savile Row suits, never wore the same tie twice and ``sounded like Ronald Coleman, dressed like Anthony Eden and was adored by most women at first sight,`` according to a biographer.}

You are right YLH. The man is a joke. Probably he thought that he would become a Brit by wearing all those suits, but he remained a poor imitation.Just like Jinnah to buy suits from England and strut around like a peacock while his people starved at home.

It is comical to see Jinnah in his portraits. A decrepit old man with hollow cheeks ... frankly an embarassment for any country.

Surdy nicknames I have known:-

a) She is named Harinder and he a Bengali called Komal. Harinder reminds most people more of hirsute transporters ``Okara Roadways`` and Komal you think of like petite ladies . . . there is usually amazement written on their airline tickets and hotel vouchers.

b) Most of the surds I know are 6 feet tall and have names like ``Lovely`` or ``Princoh`` or sometimes even ``KuKu``.

c) Ballister Singh, from Barrister. And Joe Bath Singh (never figured that one out).

So you have not heard following names yet?

Pishora Singh

Kashmira Singh

Amreeka Singh

Germanjit Singh

Leninpaul Singh

Dilli Torh Singh

Lahora Singh (there is one Lahori Mall also I know of)

P-Mishra,

Please show me how I have misquoted the following article.

The fact is that my own personal honesty and integrity when quoting these articles is beyond question... people like you can only accuse me otherwise by making up stuff or deliberately creating a strawman fallacy as you did with the whole Bipan Chandra episode...

http://www.nationalpost.com/artslife/review/story.html?f=/stories/20020302/216111.html

Like Musharraf, Jinnah professed immense admiration for Atatürk, and his image, like that of Atatürk, remains a politically and symbolically potent touchstone. He is the Washington, the de Gaulle, the Churchill of Pakistan. When Musharraf, for instance, delivers a televised speech, a framed portrait of Jinnah inevitably hangs somewhere in the background.

Like Musharraf, Jinnah was born into an educated anglophile family that settled in Karachi. Unlike Musharraf, however, Jinnah was something of a dandy: He owned 200 Savile Row suits, never wore the same tie twice and ``sounded like Ronald Coleman, dressed like Anthony Eden and was adored by most women at first sight,`` according to a biographer.

Jinnah was sent to Christian schools before training as a barrister at Lincoln`s Inn during the 1890s. By the turn of the century, working in Bombay as the city`s only Muslim barrister, Jinnah was a convinced Indian nationalist, an agitator for home rule and a backer of Muslim-Hindu unity. As a strict constitutionalist and gradualist, Jinnah tired of the overwhelmingly Hindu Indian Congress and what he regarded as Gandhi`s explosive and extremist idea of civil disobedience.

He became president of the Muslim League, which began calling for a separate Muslim homeland carved out of Hindu-dominated India once the British left. Crucially, when Pakistan was created, Jinnah sought to graft Western liberal ideas on to the stem of Islamic history.

It is an article of faith that Jinnah single-handedly saved Pakistan from the wreckage of partition, just as Musharraf now wants to salvage what is salvageable of Jinnah`s Pakistan from the shoals of clerical insanity. The important question is whether Musharraf is Jinnah incarnate or a pale imitation.

P-Mishra

Sadly You are without any ethics whatsoever, .. for India`s sake I hope you are not the famous Pankaj Mishra, for then there really is no hope for your kind. I think I have had enough of you. Like I proved in my last post to you, how badly and with disdain you have treated me because I happen to challenge your stupid one sided views.

I have already made clear that my comments about Gandhi and Nehru were `a taste of your own medicine` and your perverted logic. I am not going to give any more explanations.

As for Jinnah, I guess, after 100 + authors that I have quoted, there is still only `one` person that agrees with my view... oh but I forgot, Bipan Chandra post, which you twisted and created a strawman fallacy out, is an easy scape goat to discredit the other 100+ authors, including the Indian author of `Secular and Nationalist Jinnah`.

Please refrain from directing your childish and immature posts to me, unless you have anything worthwhile to say, which I doubt!

-YLH

re:Reply #: 283

bong_dongs,

Many years ago, i remember a Skylab (an American satellite?) falling to the ground in India. It was quite a sensation. Nothing much happened though, except that a Sikh born on that day was named Skylab Singh (no kidding!). Try and beat that.

Sridhar

ylh #274

Congratulations on having found one more person who shares your dog-like devotion to the all-perfect Jinnah. That evil ``jealous`` Nehru ! That hindu communalist Gandhi !

No wonder there are no minorities left in India. Only in Pakistan you can find Sikhs and Jains, Christians and Jews, Hindus and Buddhists all somehow living together.

Here in the land where the great Buddhist and Hindu civilizations came to flower, where Hindus and Buddhists have lived for 4000 years, there is co-existence and harmony under the banner of Jinnah`s state.

Whereas in India, why, you will be asked your caste as soon as you get off the plane. There are less that 2% minorities left in India. Even on the passport application form you have to swear to follow the caste system. What a shame !

Why not get together with your buddy and have a convention of two? On the other hand if you wait another 10 or 20 years you may find a third. This is truly a hard choice.

Good luck with your delusions. And as always, never forget your medication every morning.

Wait.. Not even Alexandar Rose of National Post seems to agree with you.. but then again, he might just be ylh with another alias...

http://www.nationalpost.com/artslife/review/story.html?f=/stories/20020302/216111.html

Ali2,

`with hitler and polpot`

Apparently not ... maybe in your hatefilled dreams of nocturnal discharge? But not in this world.

Struggle for the Soul of Muslim Youth

By Jane Lampman | Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor

http://www.csmonitor.com/2001/0920/p13s1-lire.htm

Excerpt:

`A young boy in Lahore, Pakistan, often told his uncle that he wanted to grow up to join the Army and kill Hindus. Then he saw a feature film about the man who founded his country. Now he talks about growing up to be another Jinnah, a man of justice and peace.`

`The reason: M. A. Jinnah - who was the leader of perhaps the largest Muslim movement of the 20th century - also talked of democracy, human rights, and women`s rights.`

`US actions will influence whether those who want the dialogue or those who want confrontation gain the upper hand, he adds. ``You can create more Osamas, or you can help create the Jinnahs of our societies, who will challenge the Osamas.```

One of the many examples...