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[ #163 by AmericanExpress on November 24, 2002 10:09pm PT
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If you want to breave for numbers dead breave for 36,ooo American dead by self inflicted drunk driving in last 3 years

Oh no .....Non muslims would rather die for there idolatory ,right to drink


The drunk driving % has been constantly increasing taking more than 35000 lives in last 3 years.


2000 saw the LARGEST% increase in the % & actual number of DEAD from drunk driving ...... ]

I wonder how much of total driving deaths is attributable to other intoxicants or other medical conditions like diabetes or hypoglycemia etc or even driving after a sumptuous Biryani lunch? How much is attributable to stimulants? Popular belief is that stimulants increase alertness. No one has systematically kept track of driving deaths info or else we would have info like this. Probably we would be able to say that after taking any rich spicy dish containing rice and lots of fat we should wait for (say) 2 hours before we are alert enough for driving. May be such info could debunk scientific mythology about stimulants and what not. A person can self administer alertness test and figure out what works for him and what hurts his alertness. But there is a limit to which this has any utility. Those who are idolatrous will remain such. I guess some people will remain what they are no matter what. You like Biryani you will eat Biryani for a million years.

-ew

12 head,

Why is it that not ONE of your heads even has a semblance of intelligence?!. I know doctors arent the most intelligent people on earth. But I cant, for the life of me, understand how you became a doctor.

More amazing than that...how the HELL do you reconcile living in a society whose dominant value system contradicts your own?! I`ve always marvelled at how guys like you, Urstruly, F-K etc CHOOSE to live in the US?

It cant be money--heck your talents will fetch a better price in the oil-rich gulf!
It cant be for ``spiritual`` satisfaction....not in a society whose values are so alien to you!
It cant be for ``political`` reasons..not when the US is declaring a ``cold war`` with the Islamic world you cherish so much....

So what is it?! hahn, that keeps you in Amrika?!!
Amrika ALLOWS guys like you to live here, even if you hate its values...as long as you dont ``f*ck with them`` by breaking their laws..ergo..you are doing it entirely by FREE WILL!!!...

I`m wasting my time...I realise...because this question has NEVER been answered by guys like you. In all the time I`ve been on Chowk, I`ve asked this question REPEATEDLY...either its met with stony silence; or a ``bob & weave`` answer like quoting Iqbal or some gol-mal logic that belongs in another dimension...the type you display so often...

Please reflect upon this..even if you dont have the courage to give me a straight answer....I pity guys like you...atleast Naqsbandhi openly says he`s going back to Pakistan...he`s a fool, but atleast he`s not a hypocrite...

12 head,

Why is it that not ONE of your heads even has a semblance of intelligence?!. I know doctors arent the most intelligent people on earth. But I cant, for the life of me, understand how you became a doctor.

More amazing than that...how the HELL do you reconcile living in a society whose dominant value system contradicts your own?! I`ve always marvelled at how guys like you, Urstruly, F-K etc CHOOSE to live in the US?

It cant be money--heck your talents will fetch a better price in the oil-rich gulf!
It cant be for ``spiritual`` satisfaction....not in a society whose values are so alien to you!
It cant be for ``political`` reasons..not when the US is declaring a ``cold war`` with the Islamic world you cherish so much....

So what is it?! hahn, that keeps you in Amrika?!!
Amrika ALLOWS guys like you to live here, even if you hate its values...as long as you dont ``f*ck with them`` by breaking their laws..ergo..you are doing it entirely by FREE WILL!!!...

I`m wasting my time...I realise...because this question has NEVER been answered by guys like you. In all the time I`ve been on Chowk, I`ve asked this question REPEATEDLY...either its met with stony silence; or a ``bob & weave`` answer like quoting Iqbal or some gol-mal logic that belongs in another dimension...the type you display so often...

Please reflect upon this..even if you dont have the courage to give me a straight answer....I pity guys like you...atleast Naqsbandhi openly says he`s going back to Pakistan...he`s a fool, but atleast he`s not a hypocrite...

9/11 is monumental in the sense that it woke America to a menace that it didn’t think existed. America in its naiveté thought that 21st century world was like them. Meaning that the Muslim world really did not believe in the literal words of its scriptures and had embraced secular values of liberty, justice and humanism. Upon realizing that this was not the case, America and now Russia, China, Australia, India, Israel and of course Europe are all aligned to take action against the Muslim world. Iraq just happens to be the first on the hit parade. Syria, Libya, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Indonesia, Malaysia, Pakistan are all in line to get theirs.

The blame and responsibility surely rests on us Muslims. When Blasphemy laws are needed to prevent open debate. Kids cannot be taught history or other disciplines that may be controversial. Pakistan I love it dearly but is a failed state. Other Muslim countries are not better. When Saddam prepares his son to take over once he is gone and Bashar has already replaced Assad in Syria and King Hussein’s son has already been crowned in Jordan. Guys wake up!!! It is the 21st century – Liberty??? Did we ever learn what it means? Guess not – may be now we will get a chance when a McArthur like character rules Iraq for the next 5 years. Establishing institutions, setting up checks and balances, developing a secular curriculum in schools so that all shias, sunnis, kurds, ahmadis, Christians, jews feel like Iraqis.

America please send a McArthur to Pakistan as well, we want to get rid of the likes of Mulla Fazlu.

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12head,

{{Battles are only the scores the war is the match which by spirit PAKISTAN HAS WON .}}

Hahaha! Thats what I mean..you guys ALWAYS come back for more punishment...never learn..

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American Express #153.

`Battles are only the scores the war is the match which by spirit PAKISTAN HAS WON.`

You are absolutely right. Those are the only kind of matches which the glorious Pakistani Army can win when faced with the enemy. However they are great in conquering Islamabad. What with Ayub, Zia and now Musharraf, they have never failed in winning those battles.

By the way, if you have an inside line to Musharraf, tell him to try another kargil. I am sure the Indian Army will let the Pakistani army have another victory in spirit. You may have to loose another part of your country, but who cares about that when winning a war in spirit.

re: 12-head

....do you like barbecue?...you do?...delicious, isn`t it?...do you like being on the barbecue?...

[ #134 by shankar on November 22, 2002 6:18am PT
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Another point; no ``expert`` of any kind has accurately predicted the future. Twenty yrs ago, did we ever think that something called the internet would play such an important role in our lives? When there is a serious, concerted effort to find an alternate source of energy...there is always that chance ( a good chance) that scientists can stumble on to the Holy Grail of cheap energy.]

Good point. What if Holy Grail of cheap energy (or otherwise) also happens to be a secret which can pressed into service to fry a continent worth of people? What about if continent busting hyperbomb can be made? Another reason for straining at diplomacy.

And what if a mad Islamic scientist stumbles upon a secret of making a continent buster which can be made without detection? End of non-believers then? Well let us then hope that divisions amongst Islamic peoples will not reduce the human population of planet Earth to mere millions. Because once non-believers are gotten rid off, may be it will be the turn of believers of wrong type to go. Or may be madness will stop somewhere.

Of course we are talking about a hypothetical situation.

-einsteinwallah

tahmed,

{{By your logic, every people in the world have an imperial streak (afghans, italians, greeks, turks, arabs, persians, germans, french, japanese, not to mention mongols, zulus, aztecs, spaniards and brits).}}

I have to agree with Feroze..Good & bad exist side by side in EVERY nation/people/civilisation..& when a civilisation becomes strong, it dominates the weaker civilisation. The people who ``dominate``, rationalise it: ``our way of life, our values are BETTER than the ones of the weaker civilisation...thats why God Himself has made us strong & has given us a mandate``. Y`see whats ``good`` for the dominant civilisation is ``bad`` for the civilisation that is dominated.

Throughout human history that has been a truism.

Its not just humans. Its a LAW of nature. Dominant species will bully & crowd out weaker species. Survival of the fittest is a LAW of nature. From one point of view, ``nature`` is very cruel . Either a weaker species ADAPTS or becomes dominanted & gets extinct.

All the examples you`ve given us..(afghans, italians, greeks, turks, arabs, persians, germans, french, japanese, not to mention mongols, zulus, aztecs, spaniards and brits)....have ALL dominated & tried to expand their empires, during their heyday. Its human INSTINCT. For instance, European powers wanted ``empires`` because they thought they had a divine mandate to ``civilise`` the rest of the world. Same principle applied to Afghans, Persians, Mongols & Turks, when they were powerful. They came to the Indian Subcontinent with their armies FIRST..the priests came later..

So why just blame America? Hypocrisy is a HUMAN characteristic! Yeah, we can all argue (till the cows come home) about who has been MORE hypocritical....But that SAME demon exists in ALL of us.

Arent Arabs hypocrites?! Arafat cries & squeals about the plight of Palestinians...but he hasnt made one PEEP about what is happening to other muslims like Kashmiris, Kurds etc etc. The descendants of Ishmael cant share a teeny tiny bit of land with the descendants of Isaac? Its only recently that the grudgingly accepted the existence of Isreal (not counting radicals like Hamas). In 1947, when the British left Palestine EVERY Arab wanted to extinguish the Jews who were asking for a tiny parcel of land for themselves. The attacked the tiny fledgling nation with an overwhelming superiority of numbers & arms & got their butts whipped.

So Al-Qeeda now has taken on the role of being the defender of all the muslims in the world....because the rest of the world is ``unjust`` to the plight of hapless muslims. Well, if their cause is sooo just, they better take on the butt licking Arab establishment FIRST, before declaring a Jihad against the rest of the world!. If the Islamic world, in general, sympathises with their anger but outwardly denounces them; its the Islamic world that is the bigger hypocrites.

Tahmedji, I realise you hate generalisations...because that is the seed of prejudice. I dont have an argument against that. Unfortunately, right, wrong or indifferent, today- the average American feels that there is a gun pointed to his head & is being blackmailed & terrorised to change his countries policy & value system.

NO human being likes to be blackmailed like that--no matter how hypocritical the policy of his govt is..It only makes him dig his heels in & fight back with a greater resolve. The Japanese tried to do that to the Americans 50+ yrs ago & got nuked . Has America shed any tears on their plight of 1000s of Jap civilians they BBQed who had NO say in the ambitions of the Imperial Japanese military?!...the majority say ``the Japs drew first blood``...

What Al-Qeeda has done is worse than Pearl Harbor. Whats worse, the majority (I think) of the muslim ``street`` STILL believe it was the Jews were responsible for the WTC!! The moderate muslims (who have RIGHTLY denounced Al-Qeeda) are now turing their criticism on American hypocrisy!

Al-Qeeda has now gotten the Americans, Brits, Russians, Phillipinos, Indians, Kenyans, Australians..etc etc MAD at them. Even the ruthlessly brutal action of Putin recently was not criticised by GWB. In the Islamic world, when elections are called, the fundos are making gains...like in Turkey & Pakistan.

What do you think is going to happen if there is one more spectacular strike on the American heartland? All indications from the American media is that the Al-Qeeda is ACTIVELY planning such an attack...call the American media biased all you want...wont make a difference. When a giant is provoked & filled with a terrible resolve, he is in no mood to listen to a lecture in ``morality``. He`s going to settle a heck of a lot of scores & even capture Arab oil for himself & JUSTIFY it from a ``moral`` standpoint!..their spin doctors can put Field Marshall Romair to shame!!

Its time all of us accept this imperfect world for what it IS...not what it OUGHT to be. When a human being is angry, he isnt in the mood to be ``reasonable``. The only thing thats going to save the Islamic world is if they hand over Al-Qeeda & Saddam to the ``free`` world... Otherwise get BBQed while wringing hands & lamenting about ``hypocrisy``...

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ferozk #149 I am afraid you are simply doing linear extrapolation, unmindful even of current realities. By your logic, every people in the world have an imperial streak (afghans, italians, greeks, turks, arabs, persians, germans, french, japanese, not to mention mongols, zulus, aztecs, spaniards and brits). I would have expected a more intelligent analysis from you.