Lord Krishna and St. Valentine’s Day

Hindus

Does it mean that you are incapable of a decent conversation? So far I have not heard anything from you. Ok Ok if you must, please feel free to insult my religion and my ideals if it helps to overcome writer`s block.

#16 anish

`Though I am a Buddhist by religion.I guess i can allay your confusions.`

Are you new to chowk, anish?

Ashok

Thanks for trying but it raises more questions than answers. I remember an article by a hindu authoress on chowk, apparantly a secular type, who was accusing that the customs like pardah, or segregation of sexes, and even that of Satti was because of Muslims. These customs were non-existent in pre-Muslim Hindustan. According to her, Hindus burnt their women live to save them from Muslim invaders and then they made a habbit out of it - the question is if Hindus were so liberal, and it is shown in the carvings in ajenta and alora and millions of other temples across india where gods are depicted committing acts of beastiality and homosexuality, then why would they go as far as burning their own women? From the excerpt that you have posted and comparing it with the article it seems that hindu religious nuts are actually striving to preserve Muslim cultural values. I am still confused. Can any other hindu explain this anamoly to me - please try to avoid insulting my religion, and my ideals while you attempt on explaining. Thank you.

Anish

You probably forgot to type the rest of your post, however, I welcome any input.

To urstruely,
Though I am a Buddhist by religion.I guess i can allay your confusions.
Anish

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Any decent hindus around here? Helllo!!!! I asked a question. Hello!!!! It is impolite. Hindus!!! Decent Hindus where art thou??????

# 1 SameerJb
(What is love without love-making and what is love making without softness and smoothness of freshly shaved legs)

I rate friendship higher than love. Love has an element of passion & transition in it. An air of passing fancy. Friendship is eternal & all weather.

As for hair, you are not aware of `hair fetish`. Freshly shaved means prickly. Just kidding!

nazar hayat #8:
[Like Hinduism, all other religions have also delibrately handled sex in detail. Thus providing a legal framework, sanctioned by the heavens, and preventing the free-for-all sex. This has been a single great contribution of the religions. ]

Free-for-all sex extinction is not a contribution of any of the modern religions. It was practically extinct for a long time in India, Egypt and Arabia by the time these relgions started. It had to do with basic biological instincts of humans. Women instict is to maximize the survivability of her offsprings and men instinct is to maximize the chances that only his genes pass on to offsprings he calls his children.

Religious contribution is to add, `god says` in the begining of every existing framework similar to adding `in bed` at the end of all the fortune telling sentences in fortune cookies at chinese restaurants.

The reason why the gopis` love for Krishna and associated eroticism gained prominence as religious metaphor(perhaps popularised by Jayadeva`s Gita Govinda in the 13th century) is because the gopis` love for Krishna is generally described as embodying a sense of unity with the Absolute(Or God), perhaps something like the `ecstasy` of St Teresa of Avila.

This is slightly or very different qualitatively from a personal desire or personal indulgence of the `senses` depending on who is talking.

Anyway, someone told me about a ISKCON member, a Romanian woman who was hauled up in Romanian court for her beliefs. She was asked, what sort of deity do you believe in, he has 16,000 wives for God`s sake? She asked them in turn, `why do Christian nuns wear a ring on their wedding finger? - the reason is that when these women first become nuns, a ritual of their marriage to Jesus Christ is performed, and they henceforth consider Christ to be their husband. Christ thus has many million wives, so do you understand about Krishna?`

Unfortunately the author is a non-interacting type. What I wanted to know was the point of view of the Hindu religious nuts who oppose Valentines day; why they oppose it? This article fells short of elaborating on their point of view. Is there a decent religious Hindu on this board who can answer my querry without vitriol and pissing around. Will really appreciate it. .. Thanks

The Hindue mythology is full of stories describing human relationships and lessons to be learnt. I had a good dose of them while on a visit to Nepal. I was quite intrigued by the Lord Shiva and how the infertile women come and shower water on the symbol.

Like Hinduism, all other religions have also delibrately handled sex in detail. Thus providing a legal framework, sanctioned by the heavens, and preventing the free-for-all sex. This has been a single great contribution of the religions.

The negative aspect of the formal religions has been that maximum bloodshed in the history has been caused by the religions.

I am Muslim and my observation is that element of romance and love is missing from my religion. Sex is handled in a cut-and-dried manner with the primary focus on channelizing this strong force into legitimte relationships.

I find that all religions view sex from a male viewpoint. The male getting the pleasure and the female only an object of pleasure. Infact, Islam does not recognize that woman also derives pleasure from sex. A woman seems to be only performing her duty. I guess same is true for Hinduism.

To top it all, most Eastern cultures take very seriously if a woman has sex out of wedlock. But they are quite tolerant towards man doing the same.

The close link between religions and sex has also some other manifestations. Priest, Mulla, Pundit and Rabi are all not only healthy, heavy and fit, they are also sexually very potent. And exercise the full privileges of sex granted to them by the religion.

In fact, they consider it a part of worship.

Sprituality & sex has an intense link with eachother.

This explains why the VHP is against the celebration of Valentine`s Day in India, going to the extent of burning Valentine`s Day cards from gift shops and threatening harm to them.

They worship Ram, the man who was faithful to his one wife Sita.

If they had chosen to worship Krishna instead, they would have declared St. Valentine to be a Christian version of Krishna and would have demanded that Valentine`s Day be made a national holiday.

They also would have taken out the mosque in Mathura that Aurangzeb built smack dab against the Krishna temple there (rebuilt after it was destroyed by The Followers of The True Faith) instead of the Babri Masjid in Ayodhya.

Not one hand-wringing Hindu apologist would have come out against the destruction of a mosque built by Aurangzeb; the Muslims of India would have kept their mouth shut too; the Pakistanis wouldn`t know what to say, whether to support a tyrant like Aurangzeb or speak out on the side of truth, justice and the Hindu way, and would have kept their peace.

As usual, the Northies blew it.

ok, ok, so who wants to guess what cupid`s ARROW striking the HEART symbolize???

And I think it would be better to make the comparision with Sita and Ram (sita being truer.... ram picked a friggen bird over her, not exactly smooth).

No, I am not jealous of Krishna or Valentine because gopians did not shave legs. What is love without love-making and what is love making without softness and smoothness of freshly shaved legs.

Compassion is better than all other loves except love-making.