A Student Remembers a Great Teacher

Here`s the deal with Intellectual Integrity, the Israeli-Palestini war and Pedophilia. (Not that I ever tried to conflate the issues on this board to date.)

Obvioulsy, no one denies that the Israel-Palestine affair is a serious one in need of much thoughful debate (though, frankly, and in the words, of Kissinger(?) it`s one that will last for next 50 years at least.)

But here`s the thing...

The self-appointed custodians of Intellectual Integrity pour their hearts out (checks too? I wonder) to the hapless Palestinians. But their intellectual sublimity somehow enables them to, still, cheer on those who gingerly call for the death/castration of individuals who, indicted on crimes that (whether or not we accept the question of consent-ability) are not even criminal in other advanced nations, are very often tortured and killed in prison due to the hysteria and mania that the cheered-on individuals here are spreading.

Way to go! Now we all know of our particular ``responsibilities are in OUR understanding of the various positions around political issues`` and
``What initiative [WE should] take in educating ourselves in an intellectually honest manner about a controversial issue.. [and] what doing so entail.``

Cause for pause, perhaps?

Re: SaminaSha #178

I think what I wrote about Said just gave a specific example of what you asked for.

Re: Patrick`s (PM`s) posts.

Thanks for the kind words about my posts and apologies for the belated acknowledgement. I was travelling on business and didn`t have time to compose a longer reply.

Regards.

puyu:
Simple Lesson: You do not--cannot-- hold a rational debate with Intellectual Dishonesty, let alone Pomposity Personified.

chowk staff!!
I demand the right to reply.The last post was not slandering at all!
Samina sha
Its this contempt for the lesser intellects that makes you (mis?) understood.
If you could come down to the level of us mortals ,may be we could be enlightened!

Puyu,

Do you need help tying your shoelaces? Using the toliet?

Why the hell do I have to explain everything to y`all? None of you are paying me for my time-I charge about 30 dollars an hour for regular reading comprehension, 50 dollars for knuckleheads...go ask your bud gene wilder`s flour and see if he`ll lend you the dough. I`m sure he will if you throw some neighborhood boy into the deal.

Perhaps even Lambda sahib will understand the idea of child ``exploitation``. Though I doubt it. You`ve all been a particularly slow lot.

Mantolives #220 Agreed. I am all for focussing on what someone has actually written, rather than on questioning his or her credentials are for writing what he/she has written.

puyu,
If look real close, you`ll see i DID NOT initiate any ``personal`` on this board. The most I did was, as expalined much, much earlier, was urge Saminash to consider the implications of her questions ``privately``.
Guilty consciences sometimes erupt, I think. (Ok, I knew it was going to come to that, and was happy to allow it to, after that pompous post, and after she refused to engage on Bruce Bawer.

PM
I thought it was the other way round!

re. puyu #219
Wrong! My ``point`` was not just about a claim of Saminasha that had to do with myself. There was also a quite impersonal basis for the ensuing attack. Saminasha claimed that Bruce Bawer`s passage was a classic example of ``Orientalism``, so obvious, in fact, taht ``exposing`` it was, to use her words, ``like shooting fish in a barrel``.
I showed that she clearly had him wrong, owing to her own bias and, for want of a better word, discourse (something about being a prisoner to it). It was only when Saminasha refused to acknowledge this, and came back with her pompous post #whocaresnow, that I decided to make it personal, to expose her well, shall we say `lack of consistency` now?
rgds,
PM

PM, Tahmed,

I found Dr. Hoodbhoy`s criticism of Ibne-Warraq a bit excessive ... I think it took away from the argument... and as you can see allowed Professor Kurtz to ignore the real issue and take him apart on that...

A great lesson for all interactors of Chowk no doubt.

-YLH

pm,saminasha!
pms point was that in momentary lapse of something(!) samina made a comment on pm
and when challenged refused to meet it.and all this after all those big talk abt intellectual integrity.
pm made his point through fair and unjustifiable n unfair means.
case closed

ill just say that its unpleasant to have not realized the obvious!
I feel manipulated.
i dont want any more flared up egos here.
I guess the mistake is mine of having not seen through the game.

as for what is written im reading through them

Manto:
Scrolling through the article of Houdbhoy`s, my eye just caught this paragraph. I feel I`ve read all I need to. (What is it with these people who are out to defend Said anyway,. Is three some rule that states that you need a lobotomy to do so or something???)
``And Warraq? Best known for his book ``Why I Am Not A Muslim``, he has done little more than replicate Bertrand Russell`s arguments for deserting
Christianity.``
UTTER BULL!! Comparing Russels` 8-page essay which might just as well have been called ``Why I am not a Theist`` to Ibn-Warraq`s fabulously researched an annotated, scholarly treatment of Historial Islam and Prophet Mohammed takes some special disingenuous-- or even, I`m tempted to say, a bit of Saminasha Syndrome.
Need I read more to know where the man is coming from in this case?? What say Mr. TAhmed? ;-) DO I need to read at least three books and 12 essays by the professor to be able to comment on his judgment in this case? (I mean, it`s not like I`ve taken a PoMo course or anything), and I`m certainly not out to show, anymore, how I can beat crummy PoMos using their own--what`s the word?-- ``Structure``. (Who needs to be original when you can simply recycle and `thrash`!)

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puyu sahib(a):
Apologize for what exactly? Were you agreeing with what was written or with WHO might have written it?

shucks!!what a day!!
The last posts in CCs name were posted by me!
It just happens that we share a computer.
Very sorry abt that!!
Please CC and puyu are different persons!
Samina i can see my IQ go down the drain
Im sorry and wont be coming back to this §#`* board again
:-(

Saminasha,
I admit it was a comment based on whom i thought to be a 3rd party!
It could be,frankly i dont know
I didnt bother to go through all the posts. I was disgusted with this board and lef it with
#108 and #135.
If I made any mistake I apologise but this weekend im going to go throug all the posts and explain what `point` pm has made or not.
PS:-EGOS did flare up,didnt it?
I can say that upto 135 you were also not very modest,though aim was noble.
apologies again till we meet again at the end of the weekend

oops pm you made an a$$ of me!!
you SHOULD apologise.
It was unfair.
But doesnt take frm the fact that i made a fool of myself