Taslima’s Lies, Ismat’s Truth

Ref soysauce #179

[#178 I didn`t know i had to offer excuses for VP Singh or anyone else.]

How about making some excuses for ``Murasoli`` (Drumbeat) Maran? That guy spent close to 10 months in intensive care in Houston at Government expense. Why couldn`t he get his treatment from one of your quota doctors?

Of course when he finally reconciles himself to the fact that he is going to die, he flies back to Madras/Chennai in an air ambulance costing tens of thousands of dollars to the taxpayers of India. One good thing though: the quota doctors finished him off in the next 6 weeks!

[It seems to me that you`re taking the harimau route of making some assumptions about me based on some generalizations. Please don`t.]

My assumptions are statistically valid.

[What`s it that I have said that`s bigotted?]

Your actions in real life.

[Had you followed harimau iyer`s last few posts you would have seen that he was being abusive towards nonbrahmins in general.]

If you repeat that lie, it doesn`t become the truth. I rail against quota system abusers like you.

[On neologism, I made up a word for harimau that he thought was unacceptable (not so much the meaning of the word but that it was my invention), and I am pointing out to him that this happens often enough in (the english) language that there`s a word to describe the phenomenon.]

From the Merriam-Webster Dictionary:
ne·ol·o·gism
Pronunciation: nE-`ä-l&-``ji-z&m
Function: noun
Etymology: French néologisme, from ne- + log- + -isme -ism
Date: 1800
1 : a new word, usage, or expression
2 : a meaningless word coined by a psychotic

That ought to tell you that you ought to stick to words of one syllable.

[Are you clued in now?]

Read that second definition. THAT is the clue.

[I don`t buy the argument that what someone is saying on an anonymous board is going to hurt people who probably don`t even follow that board. If what I said upset you personally, then you have my apologies.]

Meaning: show me your a$$ and I will kiss it.

#184
``I know you`ll be back, but I really am off to the beach tomorrow...freeze all you like, mate! Too many presumptions to let you keep presuming...... doubtless you`ll be back, like I said, you have to be, but he who gets the last word isn`t always right. It`s not juvenile to say that, it`s the truth, and very male not to see it.Everyone doesn`t have to agree with you. I can`t even get angry, unfortunately-you`re just another South Asian male who thinks he has all the answers, even if he`s not quite sure of the questions.``

[Alas, you might as well have said this to yourself since you did come back to have the last word. How very masculine of you!]
Please do come back because you`re enjoying this. This is an anonymous board where you can set aside your private emotions and pitch in. I don`t know where my gender came into this other than that you`d like make an issue of it and as you can see your masculinity overpowered your femininity.

``It makes me very angry,though, that someone who may or may not have benefited from a reservation but is entitled to one dares tell someone who got in the hard way how good or bad they are. ``

Who might you be talking about now, since the discussion has been at the abstract level as far as I am concerned. Only thing we know is that you are angry with the quota system. Again, please don`t make arbitrary assumptions about your interlocutors, don`t be a harimau.

Thanks for the advice on what to write and what not to write altho the time for that is past. But we moved away from the original topic a long time ago and if you wish to say something relevant to the original topic, you`re free to reclaim this board. We`re like squatters now and no one else cares. You yourself brought up a totally irrelevant subject, venting spleen about n. indians vs s. indians. I hope you feel better now after you got that out of your system.

On my ``bigotted`` statement regarding tamil brahmins marrying their nieces & cousins, it was originally made in a totally relevant context, on this or another one of Farzana`s boards. Harimau, who wears his brahminness on his sleeves, was railing about muslims marrying their cousins and i had to point out that his own community was guilty of this practice. To many brahmins this kind of consanguinous marriage is an acceptable cultural norm and many of them are honest enough to acknowledge that and not be hypocritcal and condemn the muslims for the same practice. My comment is specific to harimau only. You see, the angry one is you for having called me a bigot and then going around looking for ways to justify your visceral reactions.

I cannoty disagree with you more that there is a set of psychiatric terms that may not be touched by anyone other than professionals. Words eventually do spill out into the general parlance. Schizoid is a very good example of this.

Enjoy the beach and come back to slug it out here.

Why the sic? Never heard of that? Don`t read a lot, do you?
God, you`re angry. It makes me very angry,though, that someone who may or may not have benefited from a reservation but is entitled to one dares tell someone who got in the hard way how good or bad they are. Like you were the examiner? People who defend the quota system have to face up to everything about it, just as if you defend Hindutva, you have to face up to the Gujarat riots. If you think he did the right thing, then you do need to face up to why the architect of the social catastrophe that was the Mandalisation of India feels the need to leave the country for something so basic, people can do it at home with the right equipment. Nitwit is fine, btw-it`s not psych terminology. If you don`t know the difference, it`s your problem. FYI, ullu ka patha,gadha,etc are also not psych terminology. Just in case you didn`t know.
Fine if you want to keep writing here regardless, even if it has nothing to do whatsoever with the topic at hand, and you don`t know what you`re talking about. You live in a free country. That was just a request to make things easier on other people, including anyone who may have actually wanted an intelligent conversation about Taslima and Chughtai, but I can see such niceties wouldn`t concern you. I don`t believe you get to call me a pipsqueak-you and Harimau aren`t the only ones entitled to their opinions, so even if you want to call me one, it doesn`t make me one.If you can`t debate civilly, the problem is yours. You`re getting just as angry with me as you do with Harimau-so he`s obviously not as much to blame as I had previously thought-taali ek haath se nahin bajti, as they say in the Hindi belt. You did suggest all Tam Brahms want to marry their nieces-you don`t think that is bigoted?Ugly insinuations? Look at your own.Sometimes it`s hard to see your own prejudices.
I am not a guy. Nor am I likely to be much younger than you-pipsqueak usually does imply a rather young person, you know. Nor am I North Indian to have a complex about South Indians. But I have noticed Tamilians preening themselves on their intellect-won`t blame you, though, they`re usually TamBrahms. Outlook did a story some time ago on Indians leaving India; they of course blamed Hindutva; but from the experiences of my friends and my brother`s friends, I would say it`s not being able to get postgrad medical seats because they`re reserved for the rich Yadav kid next door who got 24% less than you-you went to school with him, and you never knew he was a `lower caste`, but he is, and he`s going to use it. If you can`t see that`s a problem...
I live in Australia. If people can say guy ( remember that is a Yank term), I can say mate, or bloke, or sheila, or dinky-di or whatever else I choose. Australian English is as much an entity as American English. You know what colour I am, but not what colour my passport is, so don`t presume.
I know you`ll be back, but I really am off to the beach tomorrow...freeze all you like, mate! Too many presumptions to let you keep presuming...... doubtless you`ll be back, like I said, you have to be, but he who gets the last word isn`t always right. It`s not juvenile to say that, it`s the truth, and very male not to see it.Everyone doesn`t have to agree with you. I can`t even get angry, unfortunately-you`re just another South Asian male who thinks he has all the answers, even if he`s not quite sure of the questions. I`m sure you and Harimau will soon find another board to go off at each other on, and you`ll forget you were so angry with me. Ah, the delights of the internet!
Merry Christmas.

#181 nb
Re: neologism, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
I have to give an explanation for ``VP Singh doing what he does (sic)``. Why exactly? What does VP Singh have to do with what I think about the quota system? Is he like the god of quota religion and I am his blind follower?
For someone who apparently suffers from the complex that north indians are inferior to s. indians (which i reject completley, btw, so rest easy) you aren`t half bad. Look how you have boxed me in, leaving me with no defences. You`re a clever guy, right down to yakking up this aussie thing when neither of us is one. Look what you have reduced me to:
You have a social life and a full-time job and if I dare respond to you it must be because I have neither and/or I have the need to have the last word. On usenet, this sort of predictable preemption used to be recognized as juvenile but I can`t possibly accuse you of being that lest someone label me an ageist.
You have declared me a bigot because i must be so, that everyone has said some bigotted thing at one time or another, neatly sidestepping any need to back up your ugly insinuation. I`d call you a nitwit but I can`t because you yourself may accuse me of insulting the mentally disabled.
If you have trouble deciphering harimau`s long words of abuse in tamil, ask him to translate them and if you have trouble with people carrying on with each other stop reading. You knew that already but must be suffering from a bout of grandiose delusion that you chose to tell others to go away from a medium in which you have no stake whatsoever. It troubles me not if harimau and I are the only ones writing here and, unless the owners of this site yank my posting privileges, I`m letting no pipsqueaks like you tell me what to do...

God, mate, you do have time hanging heavy on your hands.
You do have to give an explanation for VP Singh doing what he does if you say you don`t agree with mine-or else say you don`t know. What, now everyone who doesn`t agree with you is Harimau?
I did see the`incestuating` with you and Harimau, but I thought talking about neologisms fitted in with your misuse of psych terminology. My mistake-you didn`t even know the connotations, and why would you, as I`ve pointed out, you`re not a doctor? I would still appreciate it if you and everyone else could not misuse words when they don`t know what they mean. You have said plenty in the past that is bigoted, as have many other people on chowk, but you have the right to be a bigot-everyone does-it`s just hypocrisy then to make a fuss when other people do. I don`t agree with most of what Harimau says, but at least he`s honest, and doesn`t claim to be unbiased. You have some nerve to say I haven`t been following the board when you haven`t even read through what I said to you, or else have chosen to ignore it.
Like I said, just get his email address or phone number, and make it a one on one. You might find you have a lot in common and it could be the start of a lovely relationship. If you put stuff on a public board, you have to expect other people to react to what you`re saying, whether it`s addressed to them or not. You keep emphasising the anonymity factor here-does this mean you feel you can say anything you want because of this? I know, the answer will be if Harimau can do it, why can`t I? Talk about obsessions-and both of you are at fault, he often does start it. For everyone else`s sake, do it, especially so that we don`t have to be exposed to long Tamil words, which make no sense to anyone but the two of you. What I think is, ha, South Indians preen themselves on their `superior` intelligence-this is what they`re really like, when they think no one`s listening. Pakistanis probably think all Indians are like this, and I can`t blame them, but the much maligned Hindiwallahs aren`t anywhere nearly as bad-they`ve learnt we all have to tolerate each other, whether we like it or not, and in Bengal, it just doesn`t matter.
I do have other things to do, mate- I have a full-time job and a social life(it`s Christmas, for heaven`s sake) so this is it from me. No doubt you will answer, needing to have the last word, regardless, but have a good one. Nowhere as good as me though, it`s a gorgeous Aussie summer...

Whatever anyone`s opinions about people with whom they violently disagree, I don`t think it`s right to use the names of mental illnesses as abuse. It`s being completely insensitive, quite apart from being inaccurate as well. One should always know the meaning and implications of what one writes when one uses terms like the ones that are being banded about right now.
I`d really like to know what soysauce means by manic depressive. Has he used it to mean what it means in medical/psychiatric parlance? It`s a technical term, not a term of abuse. If he does know what the words mean, how does he know so much about harimau? Not that harimau has been very forebearing in his attacks on soysauce, but at least he hasn`t used terms which (a) he doesn`t know the meanings of, and (b) demean people who suffer from mental illnesses, which, perhaps you don`t realize, are as terrible as physical illnesses. In fact, there`s really no difference between the so-called physical and mental as far as illness is concerned.
This brings me to the real point of my post, which I`ve mentioned in my earlier ones. Why is it that we think we can say anything about anybody without knowing what the ``truth`` is? Like Farzana pontificating about Taslima Nasrin without having read her at all, or attempting to compare her to Chugtai without knowing how and where Nasrin is different. I`m not saying Nasrin is the world`s greatest writer or South Asia`s greatest feminist, but the least I`d expect from anyone who writes about her - or anyone or anything - is that they know what they`re talking about. Like soysauce using medical illnesses as terms of abuse. Of course, I couldn`t catch what harimau was saying myself, but obviously soysauce did. Did anyone else, though?

#178
I don`t mean to ``drag`` you into this discussion so I`ll leave you alone. I didn`t know i had to offer excuses for VP Singh or anyone else. It seems to me that you`re taking the harimau route of making some assumptions about me based on some generalizations. Please don`t.
What`s it that I have said that`s bigotted? Had you followed harimau iyer`s last few posts you would have seen that he was being abusive towards nonbrahmins in general.
On neologism, I made up a word for harimau that he thought was unacceptable (not so much the meaning of the word but that it was my invention), and I am pointing out to him that this happens often enough in (the english) language that there`s a word to describe the phenomenon. Are you clued in now? I don`t buy the argument that what someone is saying on an anonymous board is going to hurt people who probably don`t even follow that board. If what I said upset you personally, then you have my apologies.

#177 urbashi
My basic point is that reservations are needed. Is it correct to say that we agree on that? I don`t doubt that the system is abused and that it has to be reformed, reevaluated, etc. I would whole-heartedly agree that reservations are closely tied to vote-bank politics. However, we need to be pragmatic and realize that almost every policy decision in a republic is subject to influence by various vote banks. Where I come from, reservations have not always benefited the truly needy. The privileged amongst backward castes tend to be more favored due to the mere fact that they have access to things. But even the existence of a privileged class among the backward castes is a positive change from a generation ago. If that can be projected into the future, things cannot be all bad.
It`s not that I am shutting my eyes to what the politicians are doing (I`d be the first one to say that VP Singh was cynical with how he used the Mandal Commission report) but often times the argument becomes since so&so corrupted the policy let`s do away with that policy. That`s the argument i wish to avoid.

soysauce, I wonder whether you`re wilfully misunderstanding the drift of my post, or whether I really haven`t been able to get my point across.
Reservations are fine in theory (btw, I`m not a brahmin myself, nor have I ever had to face reverse discrimination, so there`s nothing personal in my remarks), but they`ve been abused, and the result is that they haven`t had the effect they should have. I know nothing anyone can do can be perfect or can please everyone, but we should accept that the quota system hasn`t worked the way it should have and see where we can plug the loopholes. I`ll give you some examples:
1. Candidates with less than 11% marks in the qualifying pre-med test have been admitted to med school while ``general category`` students with more than 75% marks have not. Of course, this was before the Medical Council of India laid down a basic pass mark for all candidates - I think it`s 30% now, but I`m not sure. But even then, surely someone with 80% in the qualifying test is more ``deserving`` than someone with barely 30%? Isn`t the answer to that more stress on the basics - school education?
2. The child of a Divisional Commissioner (IAS), who has the advantages of a solid education in the best possible school/s in the division, and who doesn`t have to face discrimination while she`s there because it`s usually an English-medium missionary school (and say what you like, you can`t persuade me that Christian nuns and priests discriminate, or allow anyone to discriminate, on grounds of caste), gets admission to med or engg college on the basis of caste, while the child of a poor village ``forward-caste`` family, with no such advantages, and with far higher marks, doesn`t. Now you might say that this is the price the forward-caste child has to pay for the sins of his forefathers, and I suppose one has to accept this kind of reverse discrimination, doesn`t one?
3. I personally have seen people from forward castes in the villages manage to get SC/ST certificates and apply for jobs/admission to institutes on that basis.
4. The most strking recent example of what can go wrong is to be seen in the case of the erstwhile Chhattisgarh CM, Ajit Jogi. He`s basically a converted Satnami (a Scheduled Caste), but because a converted SC person can`t avail of the advantages of reservation, he managed to get an ST certificate, and became an IAS officer on that basis. But that`s not all. He married a girl from a very well-to-do Christian family who is a well-qualified doctor. No SC/ST blood anywhere in Mrs Jogi`s lineage. Their only son was born in Dallas, where Mrs Jogi`s sister is a doctor, and he is an American citizen by birth. But the boy was raised in India, where they were particular to get him an ST certificate - so he`s both an American citizen and a member of a Scheduled Tribe in India, and he even took the IAS entrance exams on the reserved quota. It`s another matter that he didn`t get in even on the quota.
My point is that the system needs to be shaken up so that these anomalies don`t take place. Obviously, what constitutes ``merit`` is also bound to be biased, but what we need to do is to take a good hard look at the way people, and by people I mean those with the politicians behind them to egg them on for the politicians` own purposes, have been manipulating things, and to work out how that can be stopped, so that the real purpose behind affirmative action can be achieved. It`s still a case of who you know, only the who has changed. Yes, teachers at Govt colleges are threatened all the time - if they don`t pass students for whatever reasons, the easiest thing to say is that they`re anti-quotawallahs and have deliberately failed reserved candidates. No-one bothers to see whether any of the students should have passed at all. Because of political backing, these students often feel they don`t need to work hard at all, they can always create a racket if they fail. It`s not their fault, they`ve seen it happening all the time, and not simply with other reserved-category students but with anyone with political pull. You know, those Hindi films that show wicked politicians aren`t even halfway close to the reality. You may not want to talk about what politicians do or don`t do, but by shutting your eyes to the misuse and abuse of the system you`re really perpetuating all its problems.
I`m not objecting to reservations, it`s very obvious they need to continue, what I stress is the need to realize where and how they`ve gone wrong, and how things can improve.
Why do private hospitals/managments prefer ``general category`` doctors? Not because they belong to forward castes, that`s for sure. They`re in the business of healthcare, and they want to be sure they get the best. Unfortunately the system as it exists today prevents ``quota`` students from trying to do their best. They know that they can get a job much more easily than a general-category one - and everyone thinks that a Govt job is the cushiest. It`s not that a reserved student lacks ``merit``, whatever that means, it`s simply that the system doesn`t reward him for working hard or trying to do better. It`s not affirmative action that`s wrong, it`s the way it`s been made to work that`s wrong.
Anyway, this is all very remote from Farzana`s article. I wish all the posts would stick to the point!

Yes, soysauce, there is merit- based discrimination-anyone not in the top 10% of their class can expect to face a dificult time finding a job. As I have already explained to you,that doesn`t include all persons from the so called lower castes- just those who don`t do as well as the others. India is very very competitive, in case you don`t remember- why should someone who gets 55% get a job over the person who got 75%, when there are no rules forcing private hospitals to do so?You`re wrong about saying getting into a university programme not meaning someone will pass-eventually, unless they become unwell, they usually will, whatever caste they are, even if they take 10 years as against the usual 5, beause they have access to all sorts of assistance-special tutorials and the like. Like I said, this is the wrong place, but obviously, even you don`t know why VP Singh is using taxpayer`s money to get dialysis abroad-one goes abroad for treatment when local expertise isn`t good enough.
Talking about nepotism, since you`re suggesting its an upper caste thing, does the name Ait Jogi ring a bell? Or is Chhatisgarh too insignificant for the likes of you, like Farzana and her comments about the Hindi belt?
You can look after yourself and defend yourself. People with a mental illness often can`t. Don`t begin to compare- they lose jobs, families, lives, the lot. I still don`t get the neologism bit, either-are you saying you came up with one?Why would you say that?Like I said, find something else to call Harimau-it is not acceptable to use mental illness in this way. Especially since you`re not even a doctor(apparently), leave alone a psychiatrist, and you really don`t know what you`re talking about.That is my point.
Both you and Harimau look really silly, but at least he`s stopped. Since I don`t know either of you personally, and have been on chowk less than a year, I have to say both of you seem equally bigoted-the `upper` castes don`t have a monopoly on that. Good luck-you deserve each other, which is probably why everyone else just leaves you 2 alone to slug it out.

#174 nb,
The neologism comment was directed at harimau, not you.
Yes, I do know what a manic depressive is. I am sorry you took it personally. This is an anonymous forum where anyone dishing it out to others can expect to receive in kind. I know that goes for me as well. Harimau has been putting out ugly stereotypes of nonbrahmins. Why hasn`t that bothered you?

nb & urbashi,
I don`t wish to be sidetracked into what politicians like to do. If the argument was that VP Singh himself didn`t trust the quota doctors, that he went abroad for treatments is not a proof of that.
Yes, the quota system is flawed but it was and still is necessary to ensure that lower castes are not denied opportunities until they can achieve parity (in terms of economic strength, connections to power (``networking``), etc.) Just because someone is getting admission does not mean that he or she is going to successfully complete the graduation requirements. If indian colleges are graduating substandard students, you should attack the standards and not the reservation system. There are centralized exams for professional colleges and I don`t see how teachers can be threatened to pass someone. There is all sorts of blackmailing that goes on in india both by the rich and well-connected and powerful and the caste groups. That is an argument to clean up the corruption not one to do away with reservation.
The way i see the quota system is this: If you look at who were in powerful positions during independence it was, with few exceptions, people from the forward castes. There was a well-established system of nepotism for a long time after independence that effectively kept everyone else out. I see reservations as an automatic substitution for a system that was (and still is, to some extent) in place. It`s not so much who you know any more, but who you are. Someday merit will be the sole criterion, but even there, if you are tuned to what`s going on in the US with regards to standardized tests, the system that estimates merit can also be biased.
nb, are you saying that the reservation candidates face discrimination in getting jobs? Shouldn`t such discrimination be outlawed?

soysauce, I believe the point about V. P. Singh is not that India doesn`t produce good doctors but that someone who tried to break up India by playing the politics of caste and demanding reservations himself refuses to be treated by Govt drs, many of them in their positions simply because of caste considerations, and runs away to the West, using Govt money for the purpose, too, btw.
The point is the hypocrisy of people , especially politicians. If you`ve been to a medical or engineering school or college where there are caste-based reservations you would see how little these ``quotawallah`` students work, and how they demand to be passed simply because of their caste. The threat to the teachers there is that they will be pulled up and face all kinds of problems if they don`t pass ``quota`` students. I`m not saying that all ``quota`` students are unworthy or that teachers are blameless in the matter of caste discrimination. Terrible things do happen still in our country. Don`t you think it would be better if underprivileged children of whatever community, and especially those who`ve been at the receiving end of prejudice and discriminations for generations, are given special coaching at the school level in particular so that they`re academically equal to the other, ``general category``, students? After all, it can be no-one`s argument that brains, skills, etc., are the monopoly of any one community, caste, whatever. Why aren`t they given a real chance at doing well instead of giving them this easy way out? It`s as unfair to them as it is to the ``general category``. Govt jobs for drs are also largely reserved. Why don`t the politicians, who have a vested interest in perpetuating caste conflicts, get themselves treated only by Govt drs if they really think that reservations can ensure social justice, and that drs who`ve got their jobs on the basis of caste are just as good as those who didn`t get into med school only because of affirmative action?
Personally I believe caste would have died a natural death had politicians not used it as electoral ploys.
How about using only those terms the meaning of which you know? Do you know what a manic depressive is? Are you a psychiatrist, by any chance?

Fine, then, you tell me why V.P. Singh doesn`t have his treatment in India. And as for the foreigners you talk about, how many of them come to India to be treated at the hands of people who got in through reservations? Most private hospitals are happy to employ anyone who got in through a general quota, regardless of their caste-though it may surprise you, there are lots of people in that category-including several of my own classmates. They really don`t employ a lot of people who needed reservations to get in. The latter usually end up at government medical colleges and hospitals, and we know the middle classes don`t go there. I have large numbers of classmates and friends at hospitals throughout India, so I know what I`m talking about. This isn`t the right place to debate the reservation system, so I won`t, but do think about this.
And please don`t go telling me you can diagnose BAD from harimaus`s posts. It amazes me that people think they can be psychiatrists with no training. What if I started to write lines of code for programming, or designed a building or whatever? But with psychiatry, everyone who`s read one article about pop psychology thinks they`re an expert. And it`s acceptable for people(and you`re not the only one) to go about diagnosing other people with no knowledge of the subject at hand whatsoever(something like this article of Farzana`s where she admits she hasn`t read most of Taslima`s body of work,and couldn`t even get through one translated novel in full). If anything, and I hate applying psychiatric terminology like this to the genral population, you could say Harimau has overvalued ideas. We all have some, i.e I believe in God, others believe in Jayalalitha, yet others believe Saddam is a hero, etc. As long as we`re able to apply normal logic to this (i.e I accept that there is no absolute proof of the existence of God) and it is culture appropriate(most Indian women of whatever religion and class do believe in God) it is not a delusion. Does that make sense? If you don`t like someone, it is fine to say they are a stupid git or whatever. I pointed out to Sadna once that Pakistanis are convinced of their (great) beauty and superiority(not to mention their fair skins), which IMO is stupid, but not delusional, given the whole country appears to think that way.
Neologism, I know is part of vocabulary outside psychiatry- I don`t know what your point is, I know you don`t want an answer from me, but I just thought I`d let you know it`s almost diagnostic of a psychotic illness and especially common in schizophrenia.
I am sick and tired of the misuse of psychiatric terminology to score points. This is part of the stigmatisation of psychiatry and psychiatric patients. You may not have a problem with that; many people don`t until someone they know becomes unwell, and I hope for your sake that never happens to you. I feel strongly about my patients. Many of them can`t defend themselves. Can I ask you, and others to leave them alone and pick on people who can?
Tell you what. Why don`t you and Harimau get each other`s email addresses and leave everyone else in peace?

#169
Look up ``neologism`` and then come back.

#171
Unemployed? I proabably average 2 - 3 hours and 5 - 6 posts a week at chowk.
Swimming with a sewer rat? That`s a new one altho it is an apt description of harimau...

#170
How would you react if i made up stuff about you and repeated that over and over again? You correct me and I run away but then return to a different board repeating it all over? I`d have to be either a complete moron or someone who cannot differentiate between reality and stuff I have made up? Harimau suffers from severe delusions, swings between making extremely castist and bigoted statements and pretending he is the paragon of virtue and, imo, he`s a manic depressive..
You are welcome to be angry about the reservation system if you want & even more welcome if you want to debate it. I don`t get the connection between VP Singh getting treated abroad and the reservation system? Are you saying that the reservation system has resulted in there being not a single good physician/surgeon that VP Singh could have gone to? Are you saying that even the brahmin doctors (who in castist harimau`s opinion) are not good enough? The reality is that foreigners are starting to go to india for specialty care and treatment for any number of reasons. If quality was an issue, they would not be gambling their health and lives like this.

haramiU
U know soy personally? From the way U 2 have b`n going i got to ask- did U 2 meet in the unemployment office?

soy
Dont U have sumpin better 2 do? Why go swimmin with haramiU who`s a sewer rat?

I hate to butt into this completely fascinating conversation which makes sense to nobody else, especially those from outside TN, but had to point out the error in your post.
Harimau displays symptoms of manic depression aka Bipolar Affective Disorder? How, exactly? And this is often due to unfortunate events in families- how, again, when scientists are still tearing their hair out on the nature/nurture thing? It is unfair to say someone has a mental illness just because you don`t agree with him.
I got the admissions I wanted, btw, but still feel strongly about reservations. Isn`t it ironic that Mr Mandal, Weepy Singh himself, won`t even be dialysed in India-such a basic thing and he doesn`t trust Indian doctors to do it?I know I`ve said this earlier, but it makes me very angry indeed. You`re entitled to think what you want, but this slanging match is ridiculous.
And yes, I know nobody asked me to read it, but this is a public forum. Get a life.