Resistance is the first step towards Iraqi independence

Ref AnOrdinaryHindu #262

[I was not trying to put Soysauce ji on the spot. I only wanted him (assuming he is a man,...]

Wrong. He is an eunuch.

[.... as he suggests, we have to make assumptions online) to, respectfully, reconsider his stand since there was no defensible logic behind it.]

The only logic he knows is what he learnt at the Dravidian School of Logic and where the textbooks are the writings of Father Big Man and The Great Intellectual.

[I don`t know whether Soysauce ji belongs to the Dalit community.]

No. he doesn`t.

[If he does, I understand his anger and his need to denounce Hindus in any way or form that he can.]

If you were in Tamil Nadu, he will get you killed for SUGGESTING he might be a Dalit. Do not use the word lightly.

[If I was born a Dalit, I would want to do the same.]

Fine with me.

[All of us need to offer him and all dalits our sincerest apologies for the damage done over the long years of our collective darkness.]

You need to offer Meen-kari-kuzhambu aka soysauce no apology. He is busy feeding at the trough set up for the SC/STs using a bogus caste certificate. On the other hand, you would notice that he hasn`t denied that he belongs to one of the middle castes in Tamil Nadu whose sole aim in life is to deny both the Dalits and the merit candidates their due so that he can get ahead.

[So soysauce ji, if you are a dalit, then I don`t begrudge you your views.]

I have warned you. Soysauce is putting out a contract on you.

[But if you are not, then I will challenge you every inch of the way.]

But that doesn`t worry him. He will just run away just as he has run away from you here. Just look at the beating he got on the board ``Should Pakistan, too, Dump the Commonwealth?``

[There is a new Hinduism taking birth. We will fix our problems, as we must. But we will not put up with patent falsehoods and crap from outsiders anymore.]

But you see, being a Hindu he is an INSIDER. That way he can claim to be a reformer, while collecting a fancy dowry for his professional degree and threatening to set his wife on fire if she doesn`t bring more goodies periodically.

I returned here by chance. My last words on this thread -

I was not trying to put Soysauce ji on the spot. I only wanted him (assuming he is a man, as he suggests, we have to make assumptions online) to, respectfully, reconsider his stand since there was no defensible logic behind it.

I don`t know whether Soysauce ji belongs to the Dalit community. If he does, I understand his anger and his need to denounce Hindus in any way or form that he can. If I was born a Dalit, I would want to do the same. All of us need to offer him and all dalits our sincerest apologies for the damage done over the long years of our collective darkness.

But one strength Hinduism has is to be able to change, to learn. Slowly, but surely, that change is coming. Tamil Nadu is not the only state. In UP, Bihar and elsewhere, where the conditions were the worst, the change, at least in relative sense, is most palpable. So, the Hinduism of tomorrow is going to be very different from the Hinduism of the last thousand plus years. And that`s much to the good.

So soysauce ji, if you are a dalit, then I don`t begrudge you your views. As I said, I genuinely feel sorry for the blackhole in which Hinduism found itself, hurtings its own people. But if you are not, then I will challenge you every inch of the way. There is a new Hinduism taking birth. We will fix our problems, as we must. But we will not put up with patent falsehoods and crap from outsiders anymore.

Ref Inji-kari-kuzhambu #260

[Look at all the assumptions you`re making about me. Let me get started - that I am what you think I am; that I went to school in TN; that I went to a school where quota system prevails; that nonbrahmins are stupid, etc. etc.]

This is getting better, isn`t it?

You have chosen the only other way out by claiming you are not from Tamil Nadu.

Would this be similar to your claiming that you are a MBC (Most Backward Class) to get into a professional college and then telling your prospective in-laws you are a pure-blooded Reddiar or Chettiar so that you can marry within your caste?!

Why this sudden disowning of Tamil? Come on, you name your daughter Love Queen, you probably are named Tamil Mani and all of a sudden you aren`t from Tamil Nadu?

Did you just find out that your forebears had to invent fanciful legends like the Sage Agastya (a brahmin) came down South and created Tamil, that Tolkappiyar who wrote the definitive grammer for Tamil is a brahmin and quite a good number of Sangham poets are identified as being brahmins? But not a single one of them is identified as a Chettiar, Naidu, Gounder, Reddiar, Naicker or any number of middle castes who are claiming Tamil heritage despite being certifiably of Telugu or Kannada descent? Is that why you disown Tamil?

People like you whose sole credential is a bogus MBC certificate from a bribed government official are now telling us that you went to college on merit and we are to believe it? We are not the idiots that you normally deal with in your in-bred families. Can you name one college/university in India that doesn`t have Quotas for Cretins?

Tell us then why Chennai Mathematical Institute is affiliated to Bhoj University in Madhya Pradesh. In fact, is there any other college with an out-of-state affiliation in India?

I didn`t say non-brahmins are stupid. YOU are the ones who proudly advertise the fact that you CANNOT and WILL NOT compete on merit.

[I`m trying to help you here. It makes me uncomfortable to have to point out that you are too stupid to realize that you`re stupid. So start over, enumerate your assumptions & show that they are valid and go from there.]

When trying to help me, stay sufficiently far away so that your polluting shadow doesn`t fall on me!

Did it ever make you uncomfortable to take away a seat reserved for a Pallan or Paraiyan? I bet it didn`t.

My assumptions are simple and straightforward: you are and always will be a cretin. You could try wriggling out of it by claiming to be merit student but the only merit you have is that bogus caste certificate. I am sure you are trying to see if you can use that in your affirmative action case against your employer when you get laid off for stupidity.

#259
50% of Indians over 50 are dead. Therefore you are 50% dead. ;)
Don`t strain that little head of yours too much.
Look at all the assumptions you`re making about me. Let me get started - that I am what you think I am; that I went to school in TN; that I went to a school where quota system prevails; that nonbrahmins are stupid, etc. etc.
I`m trying to help you here. It makes me uncomfortable to have to point out that you are too stupid to realize that you`re stupid. So start over, enumerate your assumptions & show that they are valid and go from there.

Ref d`Inde #258

[No no, you don`t prove something by starting out with questionable assumptions. Had you paid any attention in math class, you start out with established lemmas to prove a theorem. Same with logic: established facts -> acceptable conclusions and NOT assumptions -> conclusions.]

Where are you getting these words, lemma, schlemma, theorem, schmeorem? Watch it, you are not capable of walking and talking at the same time and you are going to trip and fall down if you are not careful.

Whatever passes for mathematics in your understanding obviously doesn`t include probability and statistics. It probably doesn`t include anything except calculating daily compound interest rate of 5% but that is another story.

When 88% of the seats are reserved under the quota scheme, the probability that you are a quota candidate is 0.88. That is almost 9 out of 10. Any halfway intelligent person would be willing to bet the farm that you are a quota candidate.

You see, in the closed system called Tamil Nadu Professional Education System, it is axiomatic that only OBCs can be admitted to professional colleges. You are talking about violating the basic axioms of the system. Not possible.

I gave you a way out: claim you are a Brahmin!

#257
No no, you don`t prove something by starting out with questionable assumptions. Had you paid any attention in math class, you start out with established lemmas to prove a theorem. Same with logic: established facts -> acceptable conclusions and NOT assumptions -> conclusions. In short, proofs are not something that jump out of your head when you stop taking medication. To everyone else they are fantasies and hallucinations. I have little hope that you understand any of this since you`re either senile or severely underdeveloped.
At any rate, start over again and you`re welcome to brag about your ability to do simple artithmetic. It shows that parts of your brain haven`t yet turned to mush.

Ref Inji-kari-kuzhambu #256

[Prove that i went to college on quota. Repeating something doesn`t make it true.
Don`t look for support from other folks. For better or for worse, you`re a grown man now. Learn to fend for yourself.]

I don`t have to prove that you went to college on a quota. YOU have to prove that you didn`t. I will tell you why. If the quota seats are 88%, then the presumption is that you ARE indeed a quota candidate. Even if the quota had been set at 50%, you have a 50-50 chance of getting away with claiming you are not a quota candidate. With 88% set-aside, you ARE a quota candidate.

Not that you are A dalit or an Adivasi (aborigine). Calling you that would be an insult for which you will chop my head off with a sickle. But you belong to one of those middle classes like Chettiar, Mudaliar, Reddiar (now, think of that, a Reddy is a Telugu immigrant into Tamil Nadu but posing as a True Tamil!), or Naidu. You have usurped at least one of the 50% seats reserved for Harijans (would you prefer that term to Dalit or would you want to be called an Untouchable?) and Scheduled Tribes.

I don`t need support from other folks because I have supposrt from mathematics, statistics and logic, all of which are foreign concepts to you.

[Finally, just because you`re a brahmin, it doesn`t follow that you are a vegetarian. See you`re supposed to be an adult and all you have been able to come up with is childish logic..]

Yes, it does too. Just like the stereotype of a Brahmin who wouldn`t give water to one of you lower castes, a Brahmin is not supposed to eat meat. Tell you what, I won`t give you water either.

PS. Now that you have gone to college on a bogus caste certificate, you can claim to be a Brahmin on Chowk. That way you can indeed prove you are not a quota candidate. How about that? I am waiting for you to make that claim. Ha, ha, ha!

#255
What you`re doing is analogous to dropping your pants in the middle of the street. That`s been the only ``expose`` so far. Prove that i went to college on quota. Repeating something doesn`t make it true.
Don`t look for support from other folks. For better or for worse, you`re a grown man now. Learn to fend for yourself.
Finally, just because you`re a brahmin, it doesn`t follow that you are a vegetarian. See you`re supposed to be an adult and all you have been able to come up with is childish logic..

Ref Inji-kari-kuzhambu#254

[This is how you ``expose`` me? Haha.
Don`t eat too much turkey as they are laden with harmones and that could play havoc with your deranged mind...]

Let us see hoe your Dravidian Logic works.

The man who called Tamil a barbarian language and Tamilians barbarians is revered in Tamil Nadu.

The same man who said ``If you see a brahmin and a snake, kill the brahmin first`` has statues in every nook and corner of Tamil Nadu and has public buildings, colleges and even a university named for him. One would think that in any CIVILIZED society, that would be considered hate speech and the person would be shunned by everybody but he is your hero. And you have the frikkin nerve to call me a b!got.

Finally, you who have gone to a college on a quota seat (the quota for the mentally backward) actually believe that you are the mental equivalent of Einstein.

My expose of you consists of the fact that you are unable to reconcile your posturings on Chowk with your hero-worship of Periyar and his followers such as Annadurai and Karunanidhi.

Of course, the fact that AnOrdinaryHindu is still waiting for an answer to his question proves that you are a coward who turns tail any time you are caught in verbal inconsistencies.

PS. As to my ingesting turkey, you should know that as a Brahmin I won`t eat meat.

#253
This is how you ``expose`` me? Haha.
Don`t eat too much turkey as they are laden with harmones and that could play havoc with your deranged mind...

Ref Meen-kari-kuzhambu #252

No answer to my questions. Or to those of AnOrdinaryHindu.

At least, I am succesful in exposing your fraudulent posturings on Chowk.

#251
I think you should stay with some relative or a friend who can get you competent medical care. Stop listening to the voices in your head. They are telling you absurd things and could get you into trouble.
Stop watching so much bharatha natyam. That also could mess up your head.

Ref Dravidian Logician #250

[Who`re you talking to there unkalji?]

I was talking to YOU.

[You know my background?]

I know your background. You are the kind which argues that saying ``If you see a Muslim and a snake, kill the Muslim first`` is evidence of bigotry but ``If you see a Brahmin and a snake, kill the Brahmin first`` is a rational way of eliminating brahmins.

Despite the enlightened humanism that you always assume when you post on Chowk, the fact remains that your entire past is built upon sucking the lifeblood out of poor Dalits.

Oh, did you visit the Periyar University website? The university was started not in the first flush of DMK`s electoral victory back in 1967 but in 1997! So much for 30 more years of progressive Dravidian logic.

By the way, have you ever asked where K. Veeramani (the general secretary of DK) gets his income? For someone with no education worth talking about, and who hasn`t had a regular job except as a rabble-rouser, he seems to be sitting on fancy properties in the form of houses, buildings and land in Chennai. That is what you get for saying ``If you see a brahmin and a snake, kill the brahmin first``. But does anyone ask how he acquired these properties?

PS. Wouldn`t it be funny if it turns out that you are Veeramani`s son?

#245
Who`re you talking to there unkalji? Some phantoms in your brain? You know my background? Prove it then!
Much as I`d like to accuse you of lying (because you`re writing untruths about me) I can`t since it`s obvious that your mental capacity has been affected...

Romair,

I believe that a US Air Force general said that its a good thing we won WWII because otherwise we would be up on war crimes charges. I think he was right. That, I think, answers your question. I`m sure that HRW will charge the US with war crimes as well (if it hasn`t done so already).

However (there is always a however; don`t you just hate that!), there is a major qualitative and quantitative difference between the US and SaddamCo in Iraq. The Iraqi civilian casualties are indeed `collateral damage.` At one level there is no difference between collateral damage and deliberately inflicting civilian casualties since, after all, dead is dead. At a second level of analysis, US military planners try to minimize civilian casualties given the military objectives. I do not say that they sacrifice major military objective to prevent civilian casualties. After all, they aren`t saints. I am sure that low level military objectives have been sacrificed when they thought that civilian casualties would be too high.

For example, in the early days of the war, given the number of attacks on US military checkpoints, the easy thing to do would be to destroy any vehicle approaching the checkpoint. However, that was not acceptable to US military/civilian decision makers. So they ran the risk of higher US military casualties since simply destroying any vehicle that approaced a checkpoint was not a viable option.


Do you seriously think that Saddam Hussain or his generals thought about civilian casualties when they planned anything? In fact, there is more than enough evidence to show that they deliberately tried to maximize civilian casualties.

So, as far as the dead are concerned, there is no difference. There is a difference in the number of the dead. And if you don`t think that is a real difference, you are sadly mistaken.

Fuzair 246,

I love the crockodile tears of human rights that you and romair shed for the iraquis killed by the yanks. The hundreds of thouisand of pakistanis killed in afghanistan, the ones killed in the heights of kargill, the ones killed in kashmir, they are not humans killed, they are jihadis on a quick trip to heaven, and deserve no human rights tears. It is pathetic that you educated cannot count the jihadic deaths. May be as first step, before quoting the western reports, learn to count the jihadic as humans. It is really unbelieveable that with thopusands of pakistani jihadists killed, there is not even a wimper from their families, from the fuzairs and romairs of pakistan.