Operation Searchlight

People often say that we did not learn any lesson from the holocaust of East Pakistan-cum-Bangla Desh. The people of west Pakstan did not need to learn any lesson as they never thought of rising against the army take over of the country which was repeted at least four times. Those who were responsible for the holocaust did not learn any lesson either because even after indulging in all those brutalities against the citizens of Pakistan resulting in breaking up of the country and the nation they were never held answerable for anything. Quran says ``Allah does not guide those who are `Zalim```. What should the `Mazloom` do then? To them Allah says ``Fight against the Zulm`` as those who surrender to zulm are themselves doing zulm to themslves.

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#237 by tahmed32 on November 29, 2003 1:10pm PT
The continued interest in ``civilian`` matters is what separates the PAki Generals from their Indian counterpart- that is what my point is. This interest goes beyond that of a good involved citizen- it is the interest of the POWER BROKER-
I have a healthy regard for you and those who understand and oppose the continued interest of the PAki Generals in playing with the extremist Islamists in PAkistan- but you have to understand that their interest is inimical to that of the Indian muslims- every terrorist strike by LeT and other groups in PAkistan on the civilian population creates more support for the hindu extremists. Indian muslims have no interest in the TNT, they rathar want to live peacefully with economic prosperity and avail of the opportunities available in India- and the Islamic terrorists have to stop their activities- but the PAki Generals cannot stop- it has become a part of their institution.

ballukhan #235 that is pure speculation on your part and so i dont buy your explanation. nor do i think all of us on chowk are losers with plenty of time to waste. we just find time for chowk ;-)

ballukhan #144 that i will agree with - we dont need people glorifying a military that has caused so much damage to the country through successive martial laws. i think we need someone like Rumsfeld in pakistan who can re-invent the pakistan military (just as Rumsfeld has been trying to re-invent the US military). With nuclear weapons, the kind of military that romair and co. love so much is no more relevant to pakistan`s defense than brass bands and wapda generals.

As regards the absence of ex-army men from India from this chowk- it is too obvious- they consider this chowk as non-consequential and irrelevant to their profession- i.e defending the country from the designs of frustrated Paki Generals- the presence of Pakistani Generals shows their interest in all ``ciivlian`` matters- the favourite PROFESSION.

#230 by tahmed32 on November 28, 2003 10:28am PT

Can`t help it. Just as the word civilian makes Paki General see red- the reverse happens in my case- especially when they start supporting the martial law administration.

Fuzair: No, his name wasn`t Tariq Javed. Though there was a Tariq Javed in another batch. Kind of a skinny guy, who played soccer, and was from a cadet college (Hasan Abdal, Patoro?).

shobyz #231 With the `tauba` on declaring someone a kafir for any reason, you switch from an F to an A. not C. in my humble judgement.

On the difference between pagan and musli, i think you yourself point to the answer to your question when you say: ``as I am not immune to ‘brainwashed syndrome’.`` i.e., you should make yourself immune in that case, and think for yourself.

That is: if you have faith in your God given faculties to distinguish between right and wrong, and therefore you do not need to look towards what someone else has to say about the matter, then you WILL BE immune to the `brainwashed syndrome`. (this aspect of personal responsibility and faith in oneself is of course also stressed in the Quran as you would know, and also for obvious reasons downplayed by those desiring to do the brainwashing). Thus, it does not take a rocket scientist to figure out the important things in life, right from wrong, and so forth. And by stressing individual responsibility, the Quran actually makes it easy to live one`s life. Thus: no individual is elevated (as we so often do in status conscious pakistan) and no individual is seen less than any other. one can talk with kings and beggers in the same tone. there are no maulvis, no spiritual ``guides``. This respect for the individual - any individual, regardless of religion - is perhaps the most profound message of the Quran, in my view.

I shall take an F on calling you a Jahil and thus take that back since it is clear from your post that you are not one: a jahil would have started arguing on such issues of facts, or ignored them. You simply accepted the facts as they are, and that is certainly the mark of an intelligent person.

alsi anyone who likes, as you do, indian movie songs (although not necessarily the movies) has to be an OK chap :-)

ballukhan #228 we already have more than enough representation from your countrymen who will clutch at every straw to prove that india is better. you seem like a sensible chap, but seems like even you cant resist the temptation.

how does the exchange of general institutional gossip by a couple of retired military officers translate into a lack of professionalism? its not like there are confidential military matters being discussed here.

there are probably some other reasons for the lack of indian military officers on chowk - perhaps they dont migrate as much to the west (and most chowkies are migrants to the west); perhaps it reflects the fact relative more educated pakistanis have a military background compared to indians; perhaps it is just a statistical fluke - after all we are talking of three or four retired army officers here, one of whom (romair) didnt even server for very long but maintains an obvious interest.

please try to stay above some of your other countrymen like arjun and jay. i could speculate why we dont have such cheapsters represented from the pakistan side, but i wont.

#218, #219: Tahmed32,

Shoot!!! Failed again.

You wrote:
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Because if you knew the ABCs of the Quran, you would know that it says very clearly that issues of religion are not the concern of any man. If Sharuk chooses to bow before a statue in a movie, that is his business and (per the Quran) and it is not for you to judge whether he is a kafir or not.
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Agreed and ‘tawba’ will I dare to call him or any one a kafir. Please read again.

Now can I get a C!

Since you graded me, thus judged me, hope you can enlighten me your understanding of few ayaat explaining what ‘Iman’ is comparing to ‘paganism’ only, and how it should be practiced comparing to ‘paganism’ only.

What triggered me to write previously was when I read some writing suggesting ‘Sharuks and alike….” Should voice to help the muslim in India of avoiding ‘meat burning carnival’. If some one suggest that guy like ‘sharuks…” should move forward as semi leader for muslims whom my ‘as…. frying’ is dependent, then I have a right to know how deeply he cares about muslim without compromising my faith. Merely mentioning it is only between ‘him and Allah’ may lead me to believe in ‘Alcohol and womanizing is acceptable’ as I am not immune to ‘brainwashed syndrome’.


You wrote:
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You mean as a practicing JAHIL. Because if you were a muslim, your blood would boil at the corrupt Mullahs. Not at people who point them out.
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Didn’t you just say that you believe who is what is only between him and the creator? Now you judged me as ‘a practicing JAHIL’. Any grade you may deserve for judging me.

Either I failed to write good enough, thus reader got wrong impression of what my intended expression was, or you picked a sentence and took out of context of a narration and trying to inject your views via distorting of what I wrote.

Cool down!!! I like ‘ Ye kali kali akhi…’. Did you know there is a Spanish song with same music released much earlier then ‘Bazigaar’.

are any army guys from India on the chowk??? -NOPE?

It appears that our guys stick to their jobs and do not discuss un-necessary politics- THIS IS PROFESSIONALISM.

fountainheader #227 right you are sir. Salman Khan is the single-pasli pehalwan that i meant.

ironman #220 i cant place shahrukh, but will check with my resident PhD in Indian movies (who happens to be my wife) and I am sure she will confirm your findings.

hi tahmed

i think the person you intend to punish is Salman Khan, and not Shahrukh, who has rarely if ever bared his chest. the only occasion I remember is for a few minutes in Darr when he carves his girlfriend`s name (kkkkkkkkkiran) on his chest with a knife. Otherwise you can pretty much bet your shirt on Shahrukh to keep his shirt on. :)

Romair, may i ask, please: Would love to know, which G-course do you belong?
Asking because I myself have very close affiliations with PAF in general and G-courses in particular.

Regards

Eid Mubarak everyone.

Feroz: detailed reply to your post to follow; we have tons of friends and family coming and its getting to be quite a madhouse here!