SOFTEC 2004

It started from SOFTEC 2004, went through bits`n bytes...ZABIVISIONS...and had references of krl, nascon, procom, etc... nice discussion and article too.
i read it VERY late, but i still can say things about SOFTEC and ZABVISIONS.
congrats to administrative ppl of both, both were good competitions. I`ve participated at both places.

First about SOFTEC.
i think it was totally unfair and totally biased event, but only for the ppl who didnt win. it happens all the time. who is not able to win becoms a GREAT critic. i m not and the reason behind is perhaps my second position.
15 judges evaluating, 7 projects for final round, panel of 6-7 judges evaluating the final round, final round was like an attack for me and i had to defend my project, 10 minutes to say everyt hing that can get me across the line, i think every one had the same experience. does it look biased?? or unfair??
top project for under-18 was THE BEST in his catagory. congrats to Sadan Nasir. And for our catagory, is it only FAST giving top position to that group from Isb? they had been taking away the competitions before that one as well, and none of them was organised by FAST. In Punjab-Tech and SOFTEC i got 2nd position and they got First, but i dont feel it biased. that was a project to win, so it did.
Every body talks about R&D, i have just one point to say...If your project is an R&D based, it doesnot mean that none else is there. have u really seen that winning project as a critic, have you talked to those galz and tried to judge how much R&D is there. perhaps you didnt, but judges had to do this as their duty.
and my last coment, i am not from FAST but i still believe that FAST is one of the BEST institutes for CS. and i dont say this because of any other impression, but i say this because i know the capabilities of FASTIANS. they are with me in Office, in competitions, in social gatherings...isnt it enough to judge the standard of some institute??

i`ll be commenting on ZABVISIONS, another good event, on my monday post. right now official stuff is waiting for me.

#27 DonQuixote:

Mann I have received this query from lot of winners at ZABVISION 2004. :D

hmmm mail me at info@szabcoms.org.pk

I will reply you with complete info.

Best Regards

Hey, Can anyone tell me who is the chief guest there at ZABVISION in the concluding ceremony and he announced something that the winners of the software competition would get a chance to attend the conference at Hawaii. Please tell me the chief guest name and his department as i want to contact with him,

Best regards....

# 23 Nomi:

Very first thing is that I never all this to start a fight between students of FAST and other universities. SOFTEC organizing team has done a great job and every one should appreciate that. I was never against them my objection was the decision of judges. RIGHT!

Secondly you wrote that FASTIANS deserve, with that you should know that others deserve as well its just what you think but the real world fact really different. The proof is that I am member of that team which has defeated FAST in QUIZ competition at many places, So I do not need someone else`s comment that how much competent they are, its my personal experience.

Third Thing, Well ask any of your good Ph D. teacher at FAST if you wana know I will provide you names: d, that what is R&D basically. You know grid computing is the very very hot research topic these days and not one yet have developed this software for Windows platform yet. Now see we do that recognition thingy as course project in our university (thanks to Dr. Afaq Hussain for his efforts to make us do that). Its too old thing, which they had developed.

THING IS VERY CLEAR FROM THAT THEY COULD ONLY WON IN COMPETITION ARRANGED BY FAST. AQ Khan is the biggest competition in Pakistan, why that project could not win a single prize over there. THIS SIMPLY SHOWS THE WORTH OF THAT PROJECT.

Finally, My dear loosers and good students are everywhere like you and me respectively. :D So, its your work which carries worth for you and your university.

May Allah (Subhan Wa Ta`ala) enlighten your vision to see what is better.

Fi Amaan Allah

# 24 DonQuixote:

Thank you very much dear for your appriciation.

First of all our appologies if there was something wrong on our behalf. Actually we conducted a survey from software section to get a feedback and results were very good. neways thank you very much that you pointed out, next time we will try our level best not to repeat this thing Insha Allah.

It was second time that we conducted this competition and with very limited resources we did this. We did not have too much HR (very short strength in university as its a new campus) and even the venuewas not ours.

We tried to put maximum number of judges so that we can get maximum feedback about the projects. you see only two judges visited our Project at SOFTEC and this project won $700 for each member at Peshawer.

Again feelin sorry for any inconvenience.

Fi Amaan Allah

SOFTEC 2004 was a marvelous event and i want to congratulate the softec team, but like every year, this year as well people are crying about the bias decisions, i am amazed that in such event where more than 15 judges participated and they all are from very well reputed universities or software houses , but people still got a chance to criticize its decision, may be they think their projects as best R&D based projects but i want to ask them the true meaning of R&D? I accept that Project Rhapsody is a very innovative idea and i like that software a lot but thing is that there still are many factors which the judges consider,... in the fast islamabad project which won 1st in Punjab Tech, Procom, Nascon and at Softec, is indeed a great project and if someone is going to make decisions according to the efforts then no one can beat them, but still I will never call it a R&D based project. Now I would like to share my experience at ZABVISION, overall that event was good and szabcoms deserves to be congratulated but there still are many things which they have to improve. In Zabvision, totally 9 judges evaluated me, i m happy that they gave me 2nd prize after considering my efforts. I beat many projects there, in softec i won 1st prize in Under-18 category and in krl I won 1st in under-16, but this time it was really a good experience to compete in open category and to win some prize, i beat the project which got 2nd position(in main category) in softec, so it boosted my enthusiasm a lot, but i noticed that in softec and krl as i am competing in under-18 and under-16 categories, but judges asked me such questions that i really like to answer them because they just expose the technical aspect of the project but in zabvision, few of the judges which even didnt ask me a single question :O so how can we show them the technical aspect of our project. So I want to say that judges should be selected properly and they should know better about the field in which we have done the research. I also want to say that there are so many software competitions taking place, but there should be a software competition which would be organized totally by the government, so every institute will send their projects and it will promote the sense of competition among the students. So, HEC is the right department to do it so, as HEC hosts many debate competitions so why they cant host a software competition???

Wow , on one side u congratulate the team on organizing such event, n secondly u puta bad name on the same people. U should have rather gone for targetting the Judges, who were mostly from a leading university of which i dunt wanna take the name, go n look into the abstract of softec if u dunt believe me,

Secondly , no judge of FAST lahore wuz included.

Thirdly FAST didnt participate in software competition i repeat software competition in ZABVISION or bits n bytes n a hundered differrnt places

Fourthly FAST wins becuz they deserve 2 win, do come by some time n c how rigorous FAST;s studies are , then u might understnad the fact y FAST wins everywhere.

Fifthly u guyz dunt have a damn idea what a R&D project is , I have seen that 3-D thing n atleast its not R&D from the grass roots, grass roots meanz that its built on stuff , stuff thats not made by the creator , while all major softwares of FAST that win , win becuz they are made on softwares that the creators make themselves

n lastly dunt be a sour loser , i have seen that 3-d project @ more places than i can imagine in the last 2 years , stop showing it , let someone else have a chance for participating from your university , 2 yrz iz enuf for showing off a software in competitionz

n to conclude all this , FAST students are the best , n they can be the best @ whatever side u may take them , they participated in this years ZABVISION n took away the top notch in QUIZ competition n Computer Genuis of the year , while also securing 3rd position in Coder ceomptition , n they didnt have a software in the software competition or else as it seems it would have won as well, there werent any FASTIAN judges there , then y did FAST win in 2 events n also secured a position in the 3rd . THINK n dunt be jealous , rather try outwinning them

How come no body is lamenting the fact that there wont be AQ Khan this year? I was so looking forward to it...

#19 maryamm: thats very nice !

~> CONGRATULATIONS >~

Wish ya best of luck all the way !

So ppl here I am with some more updates regarding a new sofware competition.

SZABIST Islamabad campus won first prize in BrainStorm competition held at Pearl Continental Hotel Peshawar on 26-28 April 2004. Bahria University Islamabad won Second prize.

It was the same project titled : Grid4U (http://www.grid4u.tk). This team will be awarded with a scholarship of worth $7000 (US) from LGE (Lawrie Green Education).

All the re knowned universities all over the Pakistan were there to participate.

Regards
ABC

#15 amirbilal
Yes, i was there for the software competition. Our group won 3rd prize overall, first in our category. You wont see me in the pic on that link though because i didn`t go to the stage:)

there were no judges from the faculty of fast this time, most of the judges were from lums and there were no participants from there. fast lahore didnt win any prize as well.

Btw, as far as quality is concerned, well FAST students has been winning competition all over Pakistan even last year. Infact the very group that got first prize has been in the same slot for the previous 3 competitions. And yeah they didnot win in A.Q.Khan, but again FAST won there too, and as far as GIKI is concerned i guess they didnt participate in that competition. And btw, if u know. all FAST projects that have won competitions, are research projects!

So you can see its not all abt the point proving tht FAST is the best!!! they have been winning every where!!! but i guess the attitude towards other areas of research should also be encouraged!

PS: by the way .... correction in my previous reply...we participated in SOFTEC 2003 [second line] :)

Being one of those groups who had a R&D project ``Project Rhapsody-An intiative in Artifical Creativity`` in SOFTEC 2004 finished among top 5 and was not considered deserving for the top 3 spots and infact the project won prizes in all other competitions it was presented in, infact ``Best Overall Software`` at A.Q. Khan, which was the only way we could have answered how flawed SOFTECs judging system is, which was the very reason we didnt submit our second version this time around.

I guess the major point here is the new found love of FAST for Urdu Development. I believe there is a certain group in decision making which considers only Urdu Projects as valid research projects as Professors are involved in their research, where as research effort carried out by indepedent group of students is considered with a non-serious attitude. Infact certain judges were bent upon proving that our efforts were not even concrete because we havent studied books regarding Creativity, and also Music has no valid output [thus proving how blocked their minds that they view Creativity as fixed input and fixed output].

I think its abt time that, yes, Urdu Research is important as a National cause since major portion of our population are literate in Urdu, but we should also encourage to venture into new areas of research bacause if we want to excel globally in IT , the research has got to come from from the best universites here. We are always forced to follow the trends and technology introduced by others leaving us only improving their processes. The thinking has got to change and such competitions must start encouraging innovative and novel ideas because this will bring depth to computer science in Pakistan, which for me, right now is only focused on software development [which also explains the fall out due to 9/11].

#10 bilal843
dear i have have provided names of recent two victims there in softec... but i never got convinced by your arguments.... please give soem satisfactory explanation. thnx

#14 mayyamm
yups i from SZABIST but I m doing BS. the guys who got second prize in software competition were from MCS. I was in quiz competition and got 2nd position there as well.
and you were there for participataion ??

#8 amirbilal
so you must be from SZABIST, doing your MS?

#10 bilal843
i stick by my impression of softec, unless, of course, you can give a satisfactory explanation for the situation i described in #5