Beena Sarwar April 25, 2004
#15 Posted by bmk on April 29, 2004 11:43:00 pm
Its just 11:40 AM on Friday April 30, 2004 and I can hear to this naat-khuwani by a young kid in loud speaker. A tamheed to the Friday`s sermon. :)
PS: naat-khuwani itself at its proper place and ocassion is okay and appreciable.
PS: naat-khuwani itself at its proper place and ocassion is okay and appreciable.
#14 Posted by harimau on April 27, 2004 2:59:00 pm
Chowk editors,
What happened? #13 was NOT my post.
What happened? #13 was NOT my post.
#13 Posted by harimau on April 27, 2004 12:09:56 pm
Ferozk:
Total Vietnamese casulaties during the sixties and seventies were about 4 million (source: Bowling for Columbine documentary).
The point of Ali Sistani refusing to have indirect elections needs to be stressed. This as you point out was the MAIN reason there is such great conflict between Bremer and Ali Sistani.
Fauji-lovers LOVE indirect elections if they are held in Pakistan as indirectly elected officials are easy to manipulate. Yet they will criticize American attempts to hold such elections in Iraq. It is one of the many hypocritical stances one sees with Fauji-Lovers. When it comes to Pakistan, Fauji-Lovers shed all forms of idealism and fair-play.
I am not a big fan of Fauji-Lovers.
Total Vietnamese casulaties during the sixties and seventies were about 4 million (source: Bowling for Columbine documentary).
The point of Ali Sistani refusing to have indirect elections needs to be stressed. This as you point out was the MAIN reason there is such great conflict between Bremer and Ali Sistani.
Fauji-lovers LOVE indirect elections if they are held in Pakistan as indirectly elected officials are easy to manipulate. Yet they will criticize American attempts to hold such elections in Iraq. It is one of the many hypocritical stances one sees with Fauji-Lovers. When it comes to Pakistan, Fauji-Lovers shed all forms of idealism and fair-play.
I am not a big fan of Fauji-Lovers.
#12 Posted by teshah on April 26, 2004 6:06:58 pm
9 by moulabux
Sorry I did not mean that. I think it was the most heinous thing done with the Costitution of Pakstan to make it a `Fatwa` against the faith of the people when Allah says it is He only who knows about it. This Fatwa had a grotesque consequences, so much so , that today all Muslims, and only the Muslims have to fill up Halafnamas to prove their faith as such, making their national identity questionable and a matter of inquiry by the theocratic conciousless beaurocracy. This was got done by the Mulla as a revenge against the Muslims for their national movement for Pakistan which had given them their national identity. My point in suggesting that the mulla be declared a minority as Ahmadies whom they hatefully call Qadianies was that they should meet the retribution for their doing.
Sorry I did not mean that. I think it was the most heinous thing done with the Costitution of Pakstan to make it a `Fatwa` against the faith of the people when Allah says it is He only who knows about it. This Fatwa had a grotesque consequences, so much so , that today all Muslims, and only the Muslims have to fill up Halafnamas to prove their faith as such, making their national identity questionable and a matter of inquiry by the theocratic conciousless beaurocracy. This was got done by the Mulla as a revenge against the Muslims for their national movement for Pakistan which had given them their national identity. My point in suggesting that the mulla be declared a minority as Ahmadies whom they hatefully call Qadianies was that they should meet the retribution for their doing.
#11 Posted by ZahraJ on April 26, 2004 8:53:44 am
On a different note:
In Hamtramck, MI the residents have been asking for the permission to allow 5 times azaan on the loud speakers for the past 10 - 12 years. Recently, I read somewhere that concrete measures were about to be taken due to the large majority of Muslims from Bangladesh and other parts of the world. I guess before the decision makers announce their final decision, they need to look into the examples elsewhere in the world. Once done with the review, provide strict guidelines.
In Hamtramck, MI the residents have been asking for the permission to allow 5 times azaan on the loud speakers for the past 10 - 12 years. Recently, I read somewhere that concrete measures were about to be taken due to the large majority of Muslims from Bangladesh and other parts of the world. I guess before the decision makers announce their final decision, they need to look into the examples elsewhere in the world. Once done with the review, provide strict guidelines.
#10 Posted by Faizan on April 26, 2004 7:03:18 am
I remember the pitiful loudspeaker sights in Karachi during religious festivities. And then again during election time......not too much of a difference.
Oh, and lets not forget the endless barrage of `naat`s` all night long. For these people decibel levels decide impact.
Oh, and lets not forget the endless barrage of `naat`s` all night long. For these people decibel levels decide impact.
#9 Posted by moulabux on April 26, 2004 1:31:04 am
Oh, Ansari, haven`t you realized that it`s routine in our part of the world. Whether it be a beauracrats motorcade, or a procession of like-minded, religiously-charged, high-on-adrenaline enthusiasts; all ideas of civic duties are temporarily suspended.
now that the Prophet`s birthday is round the corner, all areas have been illuminated, through the kunda-system, energy consumed wastefully and ostentatiously throughout every single night starting from a few days back, while loadshedding continues in most parts of the city.
teshah, if i`m not reading too much in your post, are you implying that declaring Qadianis as a minority rid islam of a nuisance?
now that the Prophet`s birthday is round the corner, all areas have been illuminated, through the kunda-system, energy consumed wastefully and ostentatiously throughout every single night starting from a few days back, while loadshedding continues in most parts of the city.
teshah, if i`m not reading too much in your post, are you implying that declaring Qadianis as a minority rid islam of a nuisance?
#8 Posted by Ansari on April 25, 2004 11:11:53 pm
Aside from their use for adhaan, and important public announcements, I don`t really see the need to have the loudspeaker on in the mosque. Nor the need to block roads with these religious processions, like the one we had yesterday in Gurumandir. What if somebody`s having a heart attack and needs to get through? Where`s your sense of Huquq-ul-ibaad, the rights other people have over you. You say it`s to honor the Prophet but didn`t the Prophet himself specifically ask you not to obstruct public passage.
Religion is easy. Let`s not complicate it for ourselves and be a nuisance to people.
Religion is easy. Let`s not complicate it for ourselves and be a nuisance to people.
#7 Posted by teshah on April 25, 2004 6:14:45 pm
The mosque with loud speaker has nothing to do with Islam. It is in fact a new cult. There are historical Fatwas against the use of loud speaker (call it LS) in the mosque but the mulla have nothing to do with that. In recent times Dr. Ghulam Murtaza Marhoom had stated in an interview of his that the use of the LS in the mosque is `Harram`. May be this was the very reason for which he was murdered. We should be sure that Islam has nothing to do with the mulla whose Deen, according to Allama Iqbal, is `Deen-e-Fassaad` and the LS is the best tool for this nuisance. So unless this `Deene Fassaad` is got declared a minority in the category of Qadianies we won`t get rid of this nuisance of LS which is spreading at an alarming rate alongwith the Mulla Plazas called `Masjids`.
#5 Posted by moulabux on April 25, 2004 2:57:44 pm
mosques extended on the road beyond legal limits. rather, temporal, you can brood over these issues.
thankyou vereesh for reminding me of deep purple. i`ll go listen to sweet child in time.
cheers.
thankyou vereesh for reminding me of deep purple. i`ll go listen to sweet child in time.
cheers.
#4 Posted by temporal on April 25, 2004 1:59:29 pm
beena:
...you are turning out to be a hoodbhoy here...(by your absence on an interactive site);)
...re: noise pollution in the street...the deaf shouting at the dumb!...what else?
lve,
t
...you are turning out to be a hoodbhoy here...(by your absence on an interactive site);)
...re: noise pollution in the street...the deaf shouting at the dumb!...what else?
lve,
t
#3 Posted by ironman on April 25, 2004 9:27:24 am
#2 by veeresh,
``...Or, they can play Deep Purple and Rolling Stones right back``
Thanks, but no thanks.
Marriages are another loudspeaker issue. While working in interior tamil nadu I was living in a small town there. During the marriage season life was so baaad! No loudspeakers...just half a dozen 600 watt speakers.
The 2-minute silence when they changed the tape was such bliss!
``...Or, they can play Deep Purple and Rolling Stones right back``
Thanks, but no thanks.
Marriages are another loudspeaker issue. While working in interior tamil nadu I was living in a small town there. During the marriage season life was so baaad! No loudspeakers...just half a dozen 600 watt speakers.
The 2-minute silence when they changed the tape was such bliss!
#2 Posted by veeresh on April 25, 2004 3:21:39 am
I noticed that multi-tone pressure horns are doing very well on the streets of Pakistan too. Another case for heading for a multi-cultural society.
Since I know H. Kishie Singh very well, I can assure you that he blows his trumpet louder than anybody else other than Jaspal Bhatti in Chandigarh. He also had a converted army truck which was the terror of the service teams in the course of the Himalyan Rallies . . . but we digress:-
Years ago, the Friday namaz would end up blocking most of many streets in Mumbai, then Bombay. Being a secular country with minority rights enshrined, this went on and on and on till . . .
Tuesday became dates for ``Maha Aartis``. Roads blocked.
Saturday and Wednesdays became dates for ``Novenas``. Roads blocked.
Friday in any case was Namaz. Road blocked.
Sikh processions were on days of the week linked to their Guru days. Roads blocked.
Some synagogues were going to get into action for Saturdays.
You got the drift?
Now, nobody blocks the streets anymore.
Maybe the gentle residents of Clifton need to consider another solution - the banning of tape recorded sermons over loudspeakers. Or, they can play Deep Purple and Rolling Stones right back.
You people take religion very seriously.
Since I know H. Kishie Singh very well, I can assure you that he blows his trumpet louder than anybody else other than Jaspal Bhatti in Chandigarh. He also had a converted army truck which was the terror of the service teams in the course of the Himalyan Rallies . . . but we digress:-
Years ago, the Friday namaz would end up blocking most of many streets in Mumbai, then Bombay. Being a secular country with minority rights enshrined, this went on and on and on till . . .
Tuesday became dates for ``Maha Aartis``. Roads blocked.
Saturday and Wednesdays became dates for ``Novenas``. Roads blocked.
Friday in any case was Namaz. Road blocked.
Sikh processions were on days of the week linked to their Guru days. Roads blocked.
Some synagogues were going to get into action for Saturdays.
You got the drift?
Now, nobody blocks the streets anymore.
Maybe the gentle residents of Clifton need to consider another solution - the banning of tape recorded sermons over loudspeakers. Or, they can play Deep Purple and Rolling Stones right back.
You people take religion very seriously.
#1 Posted by aaisha on April 25, 2004 1:12:38 am
you forgot to add loudspeaking full of self importance people. they are a severe toll on mental health too,
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