The Olive Trees

ref:
In #4 I gave chemical formula for tears
In #8 I gave quotes from Prof Abdus Salam,Nobel Laureate
and Abrahamaic temple he had cited in science and religion
for which I covered Islamic religion starbust neutrinos astronomy

I guess it is just me, but Isphani sahab (atleast for me) it seems like all your paragraphs are from different books, all great in there own respect-but neverthless disjoint (and mind boggling) in totallity.

I guess ill just have to subscribe to this `different plane` theory.

rahul:
first a confession. my dabbling in philosophy has been restricted to certain sufi texts. i haven`t even heard of heraclites and cratylus.
words of f.scott fitzgerald - ``the test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time.``
applying this to what i`ve read-
to recognise the immanence and the transcendence of God/truth/nature (take your pick)
multiplicity subsists only because the unity within subsists
and now....the ephemeral and constant nature of truth

i agree with you...philosophy is a funny and interesting thing.

p.s.
storyteller
``....makes you think that there might be some timeless constancy that we are woven into. ``
beautifully put.Seems like you are pondering the nature of truth,and its relation with space and time.Here is something you can play with..The notion that everything is in a state of flux -the famous argument that no one can ever step into a river twice...by Heraclites, and Cratylus,who took this even further saying you can`t step into a river even once:-) hence the thesis tht everything is ephemeral,even truth.It is a funny n interesting subject,this philosophy.

izzah:
thank you for the poem and comment

badtameez:
muslims do seem to ignore the human costs borne by israelis. but there is one thing we do; jointly condemn the taking of innocent life, even if it is the life of a settler. i don`t know a single muslim who agrees with the tactics of suicide bombers killing civilians. how many times have i heard some one from the other side condemning the ongoing state sponsored terrorism and genocide? two. there may be more voices of reason and fairness, and humanity and compassion, amongst them but very few and far in between. yes, it is painful to watch the news that generously yet humanely display israeli losses. but what of the opressed? surely their suffering is not equal to that of the opressors.
a jewish speaker called attention to the writing on a wall in gaza - ``those who oppress, live in fear.``

azure:
thanx
i was reading noam chomsky and he correctly noted that the crisis in palestine is indicative of the colective failure (and i also think, self serving greed) of the muslim leaders in that part of the world.

isphahani:
thank you for sharing

rahul:
:)

ras:
well said

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The ghosts of the chopped down trees continue

to produce, what is now deadly fruit....

Need one ask why?


Ras

#3 storyteller
I am sorry for replying late but I am travelling.Now,this Ginsberg stuff is from a book I read a long while ago called ``Murphy`s law and other reasons why things go wrong``.This book has some ``laws`` framed by the renegades of the last two generations.The cornerstone is ofcourse Murphy`s law- ``If anything can go wrong,it will`` Now,almost all of these laws do appear pessimistic in nature but there is a subtle touch of mystique and a sort of bohemian bonhomie in each of them.Sometimes they make you burst in laughter and sometimes they touch a chord somewhere with such a ring of a revelation,that you are left speechless and breathless for a moment.The Ginsberg stuff is one of those which have the latter effect .When you ask the question, ``you can`t win-against whom?``just read Freeman`s commentary once more.The answer,can be as simple as you want it to be. Or more complicated then you can handle.It depends on you.I cant answer,you will have to figure that out yourself.:-)
If you do want to discuss this anyway,send me an email at rahul_capri@yahoo.com and i would do my best to reply.(There is a limit to the amount of introspection that one can venture to do in a public forum :-))
thanks
Rahul

mr ispahani is on adifferent plain...he is not for common man..you need an IQ of over 250 to understand him...he is our (muslim`s) pride and joy... leave him alone...

Is it just me, or do other people also have trouble understanding what Mr. Isphahani has to say?

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Just last night I was wondering why the hell so many powerul nations across the world can`t even unite for one cause (that being the liberation of all innocent humans from torture and terrorism) and forget their internal problems for a while to make the world a better place. We are turning our own future generations into rebels, fighters, jihadis, heartless monsters by propagating violence and trying to occupy land after land with no respect for human rights. One feels quite helpless and stupid when you see all this... and we the common people can do nothing about it.

Nice work storyteller.

But often in our one sided sympathies for the Palestinians, we ignore the human cost borne by the Israelis, and by that I don’t mean the security forces, I mean the civilians. What must be life to live in a constant dread? For Palestinians, not knowing when a missile/bulldozer razes their homes to ground, for Israelis, not knowing when a suicide bomber blasts him/herself apart, killing many more. Not knowing when a bullet answers a small stone. Not knowing when a knife stabs an unsuspecting passer by.
I read this book, Broken Bridge, by Lynne Reid Banks (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0380723840/qid=1085209279/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_2/103-8478763-3948602?v=glance&s=books) that so rightly captured an Israeli family’s anguish and yet the Palestinians weren’t painted in bad light. What you learn after reading the book is that not Palestinians, not Jews are suffering in Israel, humanity suffers, a bullet, a blast, a stab doesn’t bother with religious inclinations.
I don’t side with Israeli action but I do sympathize with Israelis, just as I mourn for Palestinian losses.
Its become such a vicious game, loyalties lie tattered on a blood stained ground, sympathies are dime a dozen, senses numbed and fingers trigger happy. In both camps.
All the while it makes great news copy; documentaries are made, features filed, photos of five years old lifeless forms plastered across newsprint…that’s what the Palestine/Israel conflict’s been reduced to. News. Words. Protests. Prints. And once in a while, heart-felt tears.

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If you want to, there`s an interesting blog: This Normal Life (http://brianblum.blogspot.com/) for an alternate perspective into the conflict.
Rafah Kid Rambles (http://www.rafahkid.net/blog.html
or try this: Visions of Conflict (http://www.fotolog.net/regevn)
Ta`ayush.org is a site on Arab Jewsih partership for a donations campaign for the families whose homes are being demolished by the IDF.

Dear Storyteller,

A real heart touching story. It reminded me of a poem ``Tears of Blood``; the same is appended below:-

Sometimes tears have to drop
But too many tears turn into blood
Oh Palestine my ancestors’ land
Your earth has turned into red-colored sand
In it you have buried so many boys
Innocent, young still playing with toys
But their little hearts have turned into men
So fast before they had a chance to begin
A life like other men with family and kin

Born into their own country they face persecution
And live their lives full of confusion
Oh little boy playing with sand
Shot dead from snipers in your own land
Mother’s tears fall like razor sharp
Penetrating down deep with permanent scars

Oh world wake up his mother screams
Another atrocity with holocaust fears
Peace has been written in Rainbow colors
And doves are praying for all the mothers