Kashmir: Everyone has lost in their own way

if pakistan beleives that india will allow remarking of boundaries in kashmir, then they are living in a dream land.
if the region becomes peaceful then the borders can be opened, and issues settled. but pakistan is becoming volatile by the day , so how do we beleive them?

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tobateksingh #35
It wasn`t zactly an outburst(though it did sound like one). I only paraphrased a `fundamental religious` argument in support of jihad in Kashmir which no Pakistani seems to have an answer to.

Even open support for Afghan jihad was ended using a nonreligious argument of `Pakistan first`, the `irreligiosity`one would think was inherent in the excesses of the Taliban regime apparently being irrelevant.

sadna,

not sure what I said to deserve that outburst, esp. given that I was agreeing with you.
what gives?!

khair, sorry about the late reply, apparently I don`t follow discussions regularly enough.

Aman

Stuka

I still stand by my ten points.

Urstruly

True enough. I agree with you. I also know however that you yurself have indicated that solutions to Kashmir are possible without territorial distribution. I still remember your ten points. :)

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Listen to the song, courtesy Led Zepp . . .


Oh let the sun beat down upon my face, stars to fill my dream
I am a traveler of both time and space, to be where I have been
To sit with elders of the gentle race, this world has seldom seen
They talk of days for which they sit and wait and all will be revealed

Talk and song from tongues of lilting grace, whose sounds caress my ear
But not a word I heard could I relate, the story was quite clear
Oh, oh.

Oh, I been flying... mama, there ain`t no denyin`
I`ve been flying, ain`t no denyin`, no denyin`

All I see turns to brown, as the sun burns the ground
And my eyes fill with sand, as I scan this wasted land
Trying to find, trying to find where I`ve been.

Oh, pilot of the storm who leaves no trace, like thoughts inside a dream
Heed the path that led me to that place, yellow desert stream
My Shangri-La beneath the summer moon, I will return again
Sure as the dust that floats high in June, when movin` through Kashmir.

Oh, father of the four winds, fill my sails, across the sea of years
With no provision but an open face, along the straits of fear

Stuka

and so it was form people in East paksitan

``Every oppressor thinks that he is in control and will be in control forever using his murderous and unjust policies. Every oppressor thinks that the more pain he will inflict upon the weak and helpless, the more obedient the oppressed will become. Every oppressor thinks that as long as he is doing more harm to the weak and helpless, than the later can do to him, he will stay in control. ``

Accha, that must be very reassuring for the people in Wana as well as the Baluchis who have been blowing up the Sui pipeline. :)

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tobateksingh #22
What the Indian Army does is expected, given that it is an evil infidel army which is synonymous with being off track.

I don`t think the movement itself has lost track, we have it on good Pakistani authority that ALL that the jihadis do is in service of Islam and Muslims - those jihadis will go to heaven for raping and torturing that 14 year old and advancing the cause of Islam and Pakistan in J&K by whatever means possible. You will have good company when you get up there.

Urstruly# 24:

I think this correctly describes the birth and progress of Islam in the world. However, the rest of the world is becoming equally brutal which should be a great worry for Islam and its hardcore followers. Unfortunately, that is the only way left to eradicate violent religions or religions that have turned to violence.

Amit

Every oppressor thinks that he is in control and will be in control forever using his murderous and unjust policies. Every oppressor thinks that the more pain he will inflict upon the weak and helpless, the more obedient the oppressed will become. Every oppressor thinks that as long as he is doing more harm to the weak and helpless, than the later can do to him, he will stay in control.

Good luck with your plans.