How that Other Democracy (India) Differs

Re: # 68
This interacts shows the arrogance of many Hindians and their hatred for Tamils. Here is an excerpt from a commentary published in the popular Tamil internet monthly Tamil Tribune.

"I live in Chennai and I can attest to the arrogance of Hindi speakers at work place, streets and stores. With the rise of information technology (IT) industry in Tamilnadu, there is an inflow of out-of-staters into Tamilnadu for work. At work, at internal meetings, Hindi speakers sometimes converse in Hindi among themselves leaving others to wonder what they are saying. It is unprofessional and impolite to have their own clique conversations at meetings. More than once the lead project engineer had to ask them to keep their conversations at business meeting in English. You will never see Telugus or Punjabis or Bengalis talking among themselves in their mother tongue at business meetings. (I am not referring to people chatting at the office outside of a business meeting. I have no problem with that.)

While other language groups living in Tamil Nadu obtain a working knowledge of Tamil to interact with people in day-to-day life, most Hindi speakers I know do not learn Hindi even after living here for years. They expect everyone to know Hindi. They do not even speak in English unless the other party refuses to respond in Hindi. Hindi speakers have the arrogance of talking to taxi drivers, bus conductors and hotel staff in Hindi and get annoyed if they do not understand or refuse to respond in Hindi. I have never seen a Bengali or a Maharashtrian attempting to speak to a taxi driver in his/her language.

Hindi speakers own a number of stores in Chennai. I have noticed that they speak to their Tamil employees in Hindi. I have not seen any other people using their language to converse with their Tamil employees. If a Tamil owns a shop in New Delhi or Mumbai he/she would talk to the employees in the local language, never in Tamil, unless the employee knows Tamil.

S. Krishnaswamy Iyengar
May 20, 2008"

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harimau
//...What is frightening is that the Maasanamuthus of Tamil Nadu are code coolies to the world....//

Well - there is nothing ``frightening`` about that, but I agree it`s sure weird as hell. I never quite figured it out during my two years in Madras.

There was this guy in my company in Madras, who was educated in BITS, pillany and yet would go on and on aginst hindi. There was yet another guy who was my roommate for a few months in Raleigh,NC. He stopped speaking to me after I made a comment about Karunanidhi for trying to make tamil mandatory and English optional in primary schools all over tamilnad.

I mean this guy was in US earning big money just because he has learnt good english early on .... and yet he supports the jack-a$$ plan to reduce the role of english and increase the role of tamil in school education. I mean what good would that bring to any student? I even gave him the example of West bengal - how bongs have screwed themsleves up royally with exactly the same kind mindless stupidity.

This language-chauvinism apart, I still find Maasanamuthu better than Bagwan Das of UP ...or Partho Biswas of Bengal ...or Rajeev Ranjan from Bihar.

Ref nikki7777 #56

[To the troll `harimau` or `harimau` the bourgeoise

Veerappan remains hero to poor

By Sunil Raman

.......When asked if Veerappan helped her financially, a couple of women joined her to say that they got nothing from Veerappan.

Where were the people who were allegedly helped by him, I asked. There were none there. Then the old woman said: ``He did not give me any money but I know he was fighting for poor people.``

....Most of the people I talked to said Veerappan never killed a poor man. His fight was against the police and government, they would say.]

Out of 121 persone listed by name in the local Tamil newspaper, 77 belonged not to the police but to the general public.

But then, after kidnapping Nagappa, a former minister from Karnataka, Veerappan claimed that he would release him provided Karnataka released Cauvery water to Tamil Nadu. This was given prominent publicity in the press but everybody knew that this was just a diversion tactic. On the other hand, Soysauce and his band of illiterate mufukkas believe this crap. As exemplified by the perception that he fought for the Tamils.

One guy had the correct view on this. He wrote asking when a political party would run Veerappan`s wife as a candidate for elected office. (For those who miss the connection, the wife of one Venkatesan, a rowdy wanted in several murder cases who was shot dead by the police about 16 months ago, was selected by Doctor Artist Leader the Fund of Compassion to run for Parliament. The woman got elected an MP. The suggestion was made that she should be made a minister in the Central cabinet because Tamil women were under-represented in the cabinet. Of course they are, the ministerial posts all having gone to Doctor Artist Leader`s family.)

Veerappan has been buried, not cremated. Time for you to return to Dharmapuri district and start a political party standing next to Veerappan`s grave. Before some Maasanamuthu decides to do it.

Ref mohar11 #62

[harimau
//.In a country where the states are organized across linguistic boundaries, Tamil Nadu elects non-Tamil natives...//

That`s no big deal. What amazes me is the fact that tamils who are so touchy about their language, almost worship these folks (MGR, Jaya, Rajnikanth, Khoosboo etc...) who are not even tamilians to start with. What gives?]

It IS a big deal. Has a Tamil been elected even dogcatcher in Calcutta, Delhi, Lucknow, Bhopal or Jaipur? On the other hand the highest elected position in Tamil Nadu is open to anyone claiming to be the saviour of the Tamil language. The latest is where Manmohan Singh the Neutered has declared Tamil to be a Classical Language to propitiate Doctor Artist Leader the Fund of Compassion. The most that would come out of this would be expenditure of some Rs. 25 crores to establish chairs in Tamil Studies in a few Indian universities. You can be sure they would all be in Tamil Nadu though Soysauce is ecstatic at the news believing that Panjab University will be opening a Department of Tamil tomorrow. However, what is not known to the public is that Dayanidhi Maran, Doctor Artist Leader`s nephew`s son and the Central minister for IT, has been putting pressure on Reliance to hand over at least one of their fiber cables in Tamil Nadu free to his family`s cable TV venture and has succeeded.

So, what started in 1950 will continue. At that time, the DMK used the movies to brainwash the public. But then, you could watch a movie for only 3 hours a day but with TV you could brainwash the brain-dead 24 hours a day. Which is the goal behind starting Sun-TV, K-TV, Sun News Network and Sumangali Cable Vision.

Notice how anyone connected with the DMK or the ADMK or their current potential rivals such as Rajnikanth or Vijaykanth are all connected with the movie industry.

Compared to this, the average Bhagwan Das of UP elects one Amitabh Bachchhan or one Jaya Prada as MP. The illiterate UP peasant shows more brains than the ``educated`` Maasanamuthus of Tamil Nadu.

What is frightening is that the Maasanamuthus of Tamil Nadu are code coolies to the world.

Ref nikki7777 #63

[//.In a country where the states are organized across linguistic boundaries, Tamil Nadu elects non-Tamil natives...//

................Good question.I have thought about it myself.I guess these and other non-tamils who are born there or get a chance to live or work there end up becoming more `tamil` than the tamils and actually stick their necks out to do something for them.They do in fact also enrich themselves in the process but that`s quite fair too.It is fascinating to watch non-tamil tamilians actually fighting for the cause more than the natives.Even Periyar who started the dravidian movement is from karnataka and Karunanidhi roots are in the telugu speaking peoples.]

What cause? These are just thugs who just pick up an emotional issue. After telling people that Hindi is being imposed on Tamil Nadu and that he would resist it to death, Doctor Artist Leader the Fund of Compassion quietly enrolled his grand-nephew Dayanidhi Maran (30 years ago) in Hindi classes. When asked why he sent Dayanidhi to negotiate with Sonia Gandhi on the electoral alliance, he coolly replied that it is because Dayanidhi could converse with the Northerners in Hindi. After the elctions, Dayanidhi got the plum job in the cabinet.

The actor Vijaykanth asked one question: if all of these guys such the DMK, the PMK, the MDMK, the Congress, etc., were so concerned about the plight of the farmers of the Cauvery delta who were denied their riparian rights by Karnataka, why they did not demand the Water Resources Ministry instead of IT & Telecommunications, Surface Transport, Shipping, etc.?

The reply was swift: Vijaykanth`s latest movie was prevented from being screened by the thugs of PMK. The producer had to go begging to Doctor Artist Leader the Fund of Compassion.

nikki7777:
Are you sure you are an ABCD? You are desi alright and might even be accepted as confused but it is hard to believe that you were born and brought up in America.

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harimau
//.In a country where the states are organized across linguistic boundaries, Tamil Nadu elects non-Tamil natives...//

That`s no big deal. What amazes me is the fact that tamils who are so touchy about their language, almost worship these folks (MGR, Jaya, Rajnikanth, Khoosboo etc...) who are not even tamilians to start with. What gives?

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layman,

BC is just a govt designation of dalit (i believe he is a ``chamar`` caste). i know a lawyer who practiced in sholapur courts where shinde was a bailif.

Chavans are indeed Chauhans and very maratha.

Scindias are originally Shindes, and are marathas (although Sushilkumar is not, since many casts do share last names). M. Joshi is very much a brahmin and owned some kind of a techincal training institute which trained turners-fitters and lathe workers.

Mahajans are i believe untrained village priests (i.e. not studied the vedas-puranas-sanskrit etc. and are illiterate) for smaller deity temples, and also practice exorcism (like Ojhas)etc. There are Mahajans who are not OBC, but pramod is. BJP second tier leadership has a lot of OBCs, Uma Bharati, Narendra Modi, Gopinath Munde, Mahajan.

Bal Thakre is a CKP (which is Kyastha in north like our own Saxena) and they are traditionaly Scribes (hence have names like Chitnis meaning Secretary), and were big in civil services of the sundry nijams and maratha princes. However, Shivsena is not a caste organization and is full of agris, kolis, and many belonging to caste of Pathare (also known as Mumbaikar since they are the original landowners in mumbai) such as Navalkar, Parvatkar etc.

Sometimes Marathas are confused to be not high caste, becuase brahmins may refuse to eat from marathas, since marathas eat meat. Also, I am not sure if the Thread-Ceremony (initiation into studenthood) is practiced by Marathas of maharashtra. But according to Govt of india, they are high caste (not underprivilaged).

Brahmins of Maharastra lost their political clout after ``GandhiVadh``, as it was ascribed to brahmins since Godse was one; indeed many brahmin families in maharashtra faced rioting and persecution after gandhis death. Post indipendence politics has a long shadow of gandhi and his dhoti-tails were caught by smart politicians to gain in politics. Brahmins (esp Nagpur and Pune) were also big on the RSS which was more-or-less banned by Nehru. This may explain some reasons for lack of Brahmins in Politics in Maharashtra. Although, i dont agree that Brahmins were big in pre-independence politics in the same vein as Jinha, or Azad or Patel or Bose. They were mostly into social reforms such as widow-remarriage, womens education, land-reform (vinoba bhave) and writing (press) than fighting congress elections with Jinha.

Ref Layman #54

[#45 harimau:
What do you say about Karnataka, where the Chief Minister, one Mr Dharam Singh, is a northie settled for a couple of generations in Karnataka.

One point I would like to highlight is the number of Christian chief ministers (current and ex) in states where they are a minority:]

You are missing the point. In a country where the states are organized across linguistic boundaries, Tamil Nadu elects non-Tamil natives. No example you have given is similar.

Ref nikki7777 #55

[#49 by harimau on October 20, 2004 6:34pm PT

STOP being such an old and frustrated `pappan`...... ]

You are wrong. I am delighted that Veerappan was killed under a brahmin chief minister. Nobody else would have the ba!!s, no matter what you say about the Maravans and Kallans.

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[How that Other Democracy (India) Differs]

We buy our minority votes.

Today, ``The Anti-Hindu`` reported that -- not content with removing the restrictions that one must earn less income than would require one to pay income tax in India (meaning, one must be less than upwardly mobile) and that the Haj subsidy would be available only once in a lifetime to any person -- Manmohan Singh the Neutered has announced that 10,000 more Haj pilgrims have applied for and will be granted the subsidy. He also admitted that the vast majority would be travelling on Saudia, thus subsidizing a foreign airline.

Where are people like Master Tara Singh when we need them?

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