Fahrenheit With a Silent H

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post 59 was meant for Jang...

hmmm, well the Qur`an STRICTLY condemns those who collect usury, likens it to them waging war against Allah (swt)...so I sincerely doubt that the Prophet (saw) would consider collecting interest as an honest means of living, as you`d originally put.

Khair, I`m not out to judge, to each their own, I only say that in response to your original message regarding the Prophet (saw) and work.

I actually worked for the world`s biggest trust fund company, supervised the team responsible for auditing and reconciling their Cash & Share and Share Trustee accounts...it was interesting stuff, but I thought I`d broaden my horizons by looking into my personal passion. I figure I still have a bit of time before settling down.

But I do totally agree with you that the best way to learn about South Asia would be to actually go there, live it, experience it. Maybe one day insha-Allah...in the mean time, I think I`ll stick to the ``cold-underground graduate school office``... :)

Anyways, good luck with your work...!!

Sadna, I don`t know where you live, but I can assuredly say that the majority of people who went to see the movie in North America was principally due to the HYPE surrounding it. And trust me, there was a LOT of it...

I live in Montreal, a city whose populace is very socially-conscious (the entire province of Quebec seems to be) - there were over 200,000 people for anti-war rallies held regularly during the deep freeze of the winter last year (350,000 in one rally when the weather was -40 degrees celsius, not including the chill factor!!). For a city whose total population is just over 3 million, that`s pretty darn good. The people here are generally anti-imperialists. Even then, there was great hype about the movie, so people flocked to see it.

I think the American public has made it clear what they feel. Despite ALL the pressure to get Bush OUT of office, the entire world asking for it, ALL the documentaries and articles bashing the snot outta him, knowing full well he`s a war-mongeror, a liar, butcher of human lives and the English language, very stupid individual...they still voted him into office. They just don`t care.

His domestic policy is in as much chaos asa his foreign policy. The national debt of the US is over $7.4 trillion. Over a million jobs lost during his time. Yet, evidently, they just don`t care.

So I think your claim that they actually feel something for the Iraqis is invalid. Most people that I`ve met across North America, even when knowing the truth and/or recognizing reality, are simply too busy in their everyday lives in hoarding material wealth and attempting to achieve the American Dream to care about others (Muslims included).

Canadians, as a whole, are generally much better. We proved it by pressuring the govt not to send troops to Iraq, our social welfare system, and never voting those Conservatives/Canadian Alliance from out west...

Not that our troops are of any value anyway... :P

very well-said Malik99, as always...

Harish, I think it`s in Osama`s interests to have Bush in power...a gun-wielding cowboy leading the opposing forces or a manipulative politician...who would you rather face??

besides which, it`s all about the foreign policy. Frankly, there`s not much of a difference between Bush & Kerry. The blind support for their wild ``b@stard`` Zionist child MUST stop, otherwise the greatest war the world has ever seen is not that far ahead...

then again, I suppose the Neo-Cons WANT the War of Armageddon, as they battle the Anti-Christ...and they are opposed by those fighting Dajjal...

#48 by malik99

[....he did not take credit for it in the first video that came out? He did not take credit in the first year; in the second year; in the third year.]

For that matter, even the Jaish-e-Muhammad denied resposibility for the attack on the Indian Parliament in 2001, till US authorities confirmed the fact forcing it to admit its involvement. So what does it prove other than the fact that Osama is not only a bloody terrorist but also a liar par excellence?

[And then just 2 days before the US elections, he comes closest to taking that credit? Was he afraid all these years that if he did take the credit, americans would go hunting for him? (sarcasm intended).]

The intent was clearly to deal a body blow to George Bush`s chances. As the race got closer in the last days before the polls, Kerry was clearly breathing down his neck, and Osama thought with a little help from him, Bush could be vanquished. Unfortunately for him, it didn`t work. Now the Prez will go after him harder, and with CIA reports of him being holed in some urban location in Pakistan, it`s going to get hotter for Pakistan as well.

Re #50 …

… here’s yet another post from a confused member of the psychotic ummah … pointificating the genius of osama … the master chess player of world politics. It reveals ummah’s yearning for leadership … where they’ll settle for any smelly, goat-screwing afghan who knows how to operate a camcorder. Putting osama on a pedestal only shows how low the pedestal is … which is still higher than where the ummah collectively stands.

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Romair … evangelicals are all animals … whether christians, muslims, or hari krishnas. It is only a matter of who is let out long enough and allowed to meddle in public affairs. So far US has managed it better than the masses in the land of the pure … although this alone does not constitute praise by any standard.

Mullah’s do condemn non-Muslims to hell … insisting that if Islam is offered to a non-Muslim, who rejects it … he is doomed. This includes Mother Tressa … who will burn in hell for being an infidel b!tch. Furthermore, Quran commanded Muhammad to kill those who rejected his apostleship. All this was confirmed by a web-site managed by … get this … moderate, enlightened Muslims, who want to rise above the cacophony of sectarianism in Islam! I kid you not. And apostasy and jihad doctrines are just a few more cans of worms in ummah`s sac ... although I doubt the christian evangelists will do any better if let out of the churches long enough ...

The intellectual decrepitude of the Muslim fascists on this board (Urstruly and Malik99 and the author of this piece) further persuades me that we have in our midst stone age lunatics with an inferiority complex the size of Texas. Were either of you guys in Amsterdam the day before last?

Urstruly # 50 - based on your analysis it appears that there are two possible explanations for the lack of claiming responsibility on the part of bin Laden after 9/11:

1 - He was responsible for 9/11, but decided to remain quiet about taking responsibility for strategic reasons
2 - He was NOT responsible for 9/11, but decided to remain quiet about taking responsibility for strategic reasons.

which one do you lean towards?

my own analysis of the what ACTUALLY occured on 9/11, as well as the lack of willingness on the part of Bush admin to do a criminal investigation, the muttering of Powell prior to Afghan invasion that ``the evidence we have of linking 9/11 to bin Laden could not stand in the court of law``, the blocking of 9/11 commission by Bush admin, the unwillingness of Bush to testify alone with 9/11 commission, the false pretense of Iraq war, the non-existence of airport videos of the `nineteen` hijackers, the fact that some of the named hijackers are actually alive and well, the supression of any public airing of the contents of blackboxes of the planes, the unexplained mystery that the passenger manifests don`t match the official version about the identity of hijackers, and the list goes on..... makes me think that option 2 is more plausible.

Option 1 requires bin laden to be of extremely sharp wits, and deep knowledge of the western psyche and political undercurrents. However, Robert Frisk, who visited bin Laden in 1999 wrote that bin Laden seemed to be quite oblivious to some of the major political developments in europe and US.

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#50 urstruly

this is one thing i dont get about the ummah. most pious folks seem to consider deciet and lying as immoral and irreligious. ummah reps such as #50 seem to actually praise the conniving manipulations as just politics (while offcourse whining about the same from the banias and the joos).

what makes such moral ambivalence glorious to ummah reps?

malik99

I do not see the point you are trying to make. I think, by not taking credit for 9/11, right away, Osama has politically benefitted immensely. Please keep in mind that Osama`s audiences are not always West and Americans, but the people in Muslim world as well. On one hand he sowed the seeds of doubt in the minds of Muslim world, by not taking credit, which gave way to such theories ( I wont use the word conspiracy theories) as involvement of Jews or even CIA in the 9/11, and on the other hand he was also able to alienate and divide the Western population as well, for whom the oppression of Muslims was a non issue until then. Had Osama took credit right after the 9/11, at the time when whole world was horrified to the tragic death of so many innocent human beings - a tragedy fully exploited by American propaganda machinery now and then - it would have backfired against him. He waited. He waited until USA revealed its true and ugly lawless imperialist face to the world and what America really stands for. He has played his game shrewdly and he has played every politician in the Western world as well. America had a choice to disarm and disable Osama by addressing the very issues he professes. These issues, these grievances of the Muslim world are his weapons of mass destruction, which he uses quite effectively. Instead of disarming him of these WMDs US opted to attest to his claims by becoming heavy handed oppressor and today the rest of the world cannot differentiate, who is worst of two; US or Osama. Whether Osama is right or wrong, the fact remains that he is the best pocker and chess player today.

#48 malik99

brother malik,
what makes OBL credible? is it the 42 papers in reputed refereed journals on civil engineering he published? there are simpler explanations of why he was not fessing up earlier. u see, he was covertly and overtly supported by some regimes in the ummah and he was checking the heat .. now after w talked about ``with us or ..`` and put heat on him, he sings a different tune.

harish # 44 - Not so fast!

I am fully aware of the text of bin Laden`s latest speech. Lets take it for what it is. Doesn`t it occur as odd to you that after 9/11, which should have been his crowning achievement in his war against america, he did not take credit for it in the first video that came out? He did not take credit in the first year; in the second year; in the third year. And then just 2 days before the US elections, he comes closest to taking that credit? Was he afraid all these years that if he did take the credit, americans would go hunting for him? (sarcasm intended).

After Bali bombing, someone took credit for it within the first week. After Tanzania and Kenya bombing, someone took credit in the first few days. Each time there is even a kidnapping in Iraq, someone takes credit right away. You see harish, criminals like to flaunt their skills. If their idea is of recruitment, they want to show the potential recruites ``Look, how successful we are in hitting our enemies``. But yet, strangely enough, bin Laden failed to do that immediately after 9/11!

think about it. you don`t need to be a conspiracy theorist to be curious about these facts.

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#40 by sadna

[` Zionists did the WTC attacks, but WTC attacks happened due to Muslim anger at root cause Palestine. Bin Laden was not responsible because Zionists did it but Muslims and/or Bin Laden did it because of Muslim anger at root cause Palestine and so Bin Laden is our only hope against Zionists and the Great Satan while we ourselves prosper in the Satanic West`]

You forgot to add ``The 9/11 attackers were not Muslims because no true Muslim can commit such a heinous crime``, and/or ``The 9/11 attackers were not Muslims because Islam is a religion of peace and does not permit such deeds``.

OBL is a part of USA`s Plan.

that stupid Moron along with Talibans has hurt Muslim cause more ....then all the ills done by all the muslims put together in their whole history....

More likely he is following an already mapped out plan.....