Yasser Latif Hamdani November 30, 2004
#232 Posted by HaroonEllahi on January 11, 2005 2:23:55 pm
KAshmir!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
#231 Posted by samvitr on January 7, 2005 6:04:35 am
Maqbool Bhat, an enigma? Nah, he was just another selfish guy.
By Samvit Rawal (A Kashmiri Pandit writer in exile)
Maqbool was not a freedom fighter as is being made out by his followers. He was a simple selfish man. He neither had the intellect nor the foresight. The fact of the matter is that Maqbool Bhat was an ordinary man who made his money by spying on two different nations. If Yaseer Latif Hamdani had opened history books of the ISI he would have found that Maqbool Bhat was an Indian spy. He was on the rolls of the Indian intelligence services. His main job was to gather information about the troop movement in the Tangdhar, Kishenganga, Kupwara and other sectors.
It was during this time that he was caught by the Pakistani intelligence agencies. They would have crucified him. But Maqbool Bhat was smart, he garnered a deal with the Pakistani agency by working for them. This is where Maqbool Bhat`s fate took a turn.
Although he still continued to be on the rolls of the Indian agencies he started working for both, the Indian as well as the Pakistani agencies.
Somehow after a period of time, the counter intelligence department of the Government of India came to know that Maqbool Bhat had double-crossed them. This was discovered by the counter intelligence agent called Amar Chand. One day in the jungles of Baramullah, Amar Chand caught Maqbool Bhat red handed trying to pass on some secret information to the Pakistanis by using sign language. A fight ensued in which Maqbool Bhat shot Amar Chand dead.
Now there was no option left for Maqbool Bhat. By now the Indian intelligence had confirmed evidence that Bhat had double-crossed them. Maqbool Bhat escaped to Pakistan Occupied Kashmir. There he came in touch with Amanullah Khan. Both of them made money bigtime among themselves.
After a few years Amanullah Khan left for England where his group JKLF kidnapped the Indian diplomat, Ravinder Mhatre. The plan was that they would kidnap the Indian High Commissioner Ravinder Mhatre and then make the Indian government bend backwards. Unfortunately they did not realise that they were committing the crime on the British soil. The British government did not relent to the demand of JKLF. Mhatre was murdered and the police found evidence leading to Amanullah Khan and Maqbool Bhat. This led to the capital punishment of Bhat. Maqbool Bhat was a product of the Jamiat-i-Islamia. He and his group taught hatred. Initially they were the darlings of the Pakistani ISI but when they talked about an independent Kashmir (which was not in the interest of Pakistan), the ISI started promoting groups like Hizb-ul-Mujahideen, Lashker-i-Toiba, Allah Tigers, Zarb-e-Momin and the like. Some of the Afgan mercenaries were also diverted towards Kashmir. This was a hilarious thing since these Afghan ``Mujahideens`` could not do anything in their own country. Unfortunately for the Kashmiri Muslims who had invited the mercenary guests to fight their war, the Afghans indulged in rapes and molestation of the local women. The Afghans also bought the deadly disease AIDS with them. Now Kashmir valley boasts of a sizeable number of AIDS patients, thanks to the Afghans.
Maqbool Bhat and his cronies in the JKLF were dead against the Kashmiri Pandits just because they did not share their religious beliefs. They murdered the Pandits in cold blood. It is ironical that the Kashmiri Pandits are the original inhabitants of Kashmir Valley. The Moslems of the valley are all converts. The main reason of the terrorism started by Maqbool Bhat was that they wanted to Islamise the whole valley. The process was initiated under General Zia-ul-Haq and was called Operation Topac.
There can only be two solution of the Kashmir problem. One is that it goes back to the 1989 position where the Kashmiri Pandits and the Muslims were living in peace. The second option is that the Indian Kashmir is divided into two parts (both remain with India) but one part will be given to the Pandits where the gun loving Moslems will not be allowed. The second option seems more viable because Kashmiri Moslems have too much Pandit blood on their hands and the Pandits are not willing to forgive.
The war for Kashmir has just started but it will take ages for it to subside. Either the Mulsims will have to learn to live in peace with the pandits or they will have to carve a separate niche for themselves because post 9/11 no one trusts the moslems.
By Samvit Rawal (A Kashmiri Pandit writer in exile)
Maqbool was not a freedom fighter as is being made out by his followers. He was a simple selfish man. He neither had the intellect nor the foresight. The fact of the matter is that Maqbool Bhat was an ordinary man who made his money by spying on two different nations. If Yaseer Latif Hamdani had opened history books of the ISI he would have found that Maqbool Bhat was an Indian spy. He was on the rolls of the Indian intelligence services. His main job was to gather information about the troop movement in the Tangdhar, Kishenganga, Kupwara and other sectors.
It was during this time that he was caught by the Pakistani intelligence agencies. They would have crucified him. But Maqbool Bhat was smart, he garnered a deal with the Pakistani agency by working for them. This is where Maqbool Bhat`s fate took a turn.
Although he still continued to be on the rolls of the Indian agencies he started working for both, the Indian as well as the Pakistani agencies.
Somehow after a period of time, the counter intelligence department of the Government of India came to know that Maqbool Bhat had double-crossed them. This was discovered by the counter intelligence agent called Amar Chand. One day in the jungles of Baramullah, Amar Chand caught Maqbool Bhat red handed trying to pass on some secret information to the Pakistanis by using sign language. A fight ensued in which Maqbool Bhat shot Amar Chand dead.
Now there was no option left for Maqbool Bhat. By now the Indian intelligence had confirmed evidence that Bhat had double-crossed them. Maqbool Bhat escaped to Pakistan Occupied Kashmir. There he came in touch with Amanullah Khan. Both of them made money bigtime among themselves.
After a few years Amanullah Khan left for England where his group JKLF kidnapped the Indian diplomat, Ravinder Mhatre. The plan was that they would kidnap the Indian High Commissioner Ravinder Mhatre and then make the Indian government bend backwards. Unfortunately they did not realise that they were committing the crime on the British soil. The British government did not relent to the demand of JKLF. Mhatre was murdered and the police found evidence leading to Amanullah Khan and Maqbool Bhat. This led to the capital punishment of Bhat. Maqbool Bhat was a product of the Jamiat-i-Islamia. He and his group taught hatred. Initially they were the darlings of the Pakistani ISI but when they talked about an independent Kashmir (which was not in the interest of Pakistan), the ISI started promoting groups like Hizb-ul-Mujahideen, Lashker-i-Toiba, Allah Tigers, Zarb-e-Momin and the like. Some of the Afgan mercenaries were also diverted towards Kashmir. This was a hilarious thing since these Afghan ``Mujahideens`` could not do anything in their own country. Unfortunately for the Kashmiri Muslims who had invited the mercenary guests to fight their war, the Afghans indulged in rapes and molestation of the local women. The Afghans also bought the deadly disease AIDS with them. Now Kashmir valley boasts of a sizeable number of AIDS patients, thanks to the Afghans.
Maqbool Bhat and his cronies in the JKLF were dead against the Kashmiri Pandits just because they did not share their religious beliefs. They murdered the Pandits in cold blood. It is ironical that the Kashmiri Pandits are the original inhabitants of Kashmir Valley. The Moslems of the valley are all converts. The main reason of the terrorism started by Maqbool Bhat was that they wanted to Islamise the whole valley. The process was initiated under General Zia-ul-Haq and was called Operation Topac.
There can only be two solution of the Kashmir problem. One is that it goes back to the 1989 position where the Kashmiri Pandits and the Muslims were living in peace. The second option is that the Indian Kashmir is divided into two parts (both remain with India) but one part will be given to the Pandits where the gun loving Moslems will not be allowed. The second option seems more viable because Kashmiri Moslems have too much Pandit blood on their hands and the Pandits are not willing to forgive.
The war for Kashmir has just started but it will take ages for it to subside. Either the Mulsims will have to learn to live in peace with the pandits or they will have to carve a separate niche for themselves because post 9/11 no one trusts the moslems.
#230 Posted by harish_hyd on December 11, 2004 1:23:57 am
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Wonder what that great Kashmiri lover of Pakistan, Romair will have to say about this.
Wonder what that great Kashmiri lover of Pakistan, Romair will have to say about this.
#229 Posted by arjun_m on December 10, 2004 2:46:18 pm
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#227 Posted by rsridhar on December 9, 2004 9:19:33 pm
re: The article in TFT
Khaled Ahmed’s A n a l y s i s ``Our treatment of minorities and Kashmir`` is thought provoking.
Pakis on chowk may want reality check by reading this article.
Excerpts:
1. (The West was particularly worried about our treatment of the non-Muslims in Pakistan. Zia’s separate electorates had debased the minorities by separating them, a formula the West had learned to abominate. The Blasphemy Law and the Law of Evidence that imposed disabilities on non-Muslims were criticised by human rights organisations and Islamabad was told to at least take informal steps to lessen the cruelty of these laws. No one talked of Kashmir till 1990 and when the dispute was revived by Pakistan through the infiltration of non-state mercenaries to Held Kashmir, the West was already predisposed in favour of secular India keeping Kashmir rather than Islamic Pakistan taking it.)
2.(What upset the world most was the Deobandi-Salafist Islam the mercenaries spread in Kashmir after infiltrating it with the help of the ISI. The West was persuaded into believing that Islam in the Valley at least was of the mystical kind and that it was possible for the religious communities to coexist peacefully once the religious fanatics infiltrated into Kashmir by Pakistan were expelled from there. It disapproved of India violating human rights, but it abhorred Pakistan sending in the Islamic warriors.)
3. (The world support Pakistan lost included the support of the Muslim world. When the ISI facilitated Aiman al Zawahiri, it knew that he was wanted in Egypt for the assassination of President Sadat. The brother of the killer who led the attack was allowed to live in Peshawar; and then Aimal Al Zawahiri was allowed to blow up the Egyptian embassy in Islamabad. Mullah Krekar, whose Kurd terrorists have haunted Turkey a long time, was allowed to train in Afghanistan then allowed to teach at the International Islamic University in Islamabad together with the mentor of Osama bin Laden, Abdullah Azzam. Turkey supported India after the episode with Krekar; and the highwater mark of it was when prime minister Ecevit arrived in India chanting the Bhagwat Gita.)
And the author asks some uncomfortable questions:
``If 8 million Kashmiris fall to us, fully 3 million of them will be non-Muslims. Who will protect them from us and our savage laws?``
Of course, such arguments do not go well with the H and D of most Pakis, who are trained from birth to believe that Kashmir should have rightfully belonged to them.
Sridhar
Khaled Ahmed’s A n a l y s i s ``Our treatment of minorities and Kashmir`` is thought provoking.
Pakis on chowk may want reality check by reading this article.
Excerpts:
1. (The West was particularly worried about our treatment of the non-Muslims in Pakistan. Zia’s separate electorates had debased the minorities by separating them, a formula the West had learned to abominate. The Blasphemy Law and the Law of Evidence that imposed disabilities on non-Muslims were criticised by human rights organisations and Islamabad was told to at least take informal steps to lessen the cruelty of these laws. No one talked of Kashmir till 1990 and when the dispute was revived by Pakistan through the infiltration of non-state mercenaries to Held Kashmir, the West was already predisposed in favour of secular India keeping Kashmir rather than Islamic Pakistan taking it.)
2.(What upset the world most was the Deobandi-Salafist Islam the mercenaries spread in Kashmir after infiltrating it with the help of the ISI. The West was persuaded into believing that Islam in the Valley at least was of the mystical kind and that it was possible for the religious communities to coexist peacefully once the religious fanatics infiltrated into Kashmir by Pakistan were expelled from there. It disapproved of India violating human rights, but it abhorred Pakistan sending in the Islamic warriors.)
3. (The world support Pakistan lost included the support of the Muslim world. When the ISI facilitated Aiman al Zawahiri, it knew that he was wanted in Egypt for the assassination of President Sadat. The brother of the killer who led the attack was allowed to live in Peshawar; and then Aimal Al Zawahiri was allowed to blow up the Egyptian embassy in Islamabad. Mullah Krekar, whose Kurd terrorists have haunted Turkey a long time, was allowed to train in Afghanistan then allowed to teach at the International Islamic University in Islamabad together with the mentor of Osama bin Laden, Abdullah Azzam. Turkey supported India after the episode with Krekar; and the highwater mark of it was when prime minister Ecevit arrived in India chanting the Bhagwat Gita.)
And the author asks some uncomfortable questions:
``If 8 million Kashmiris fall to us, fully 3 million of them will be non-Muslims. Who will protect them from us and our savage laws?``
Of course, such arguments do not go well with the H and D of most Pakis, who are trained from birth to believe that Kashmir should have rightfully belonged to them.
Sridhar
#226 Posted by rsridhar on December 9, 2004 9:19:33 pm
re:#211 by baal
I sometimes watch CCTV on my Dishnet (it is a Chinese TV channel) and i am very impressed by what i have seen. Indians can learn much from China. I believe the 2 way trade is booming and has passed the 10 billion dollar mark and China is no more the hated word in India. I wish we could arrive at a similar situation with Pakistan but then Paki rulers are not of the same calibre as the Chinese.
You are also right about the civilizational similarities between India and the South East Asia. Buddhism exported from India has held sway in these countries for many centuries. Many of these similarities can still be seen. Indonesia, for eg, has a very syncretic culture, imbibing both the Hindu and Islamic cultures. It calls its Airline Garuda and its former head of state went by the name of Sukarnaputri!
Sridhar
I sometimes watch CCTV on my Dishnet (it is a Chinese TV channel) and i am very impressed by what i have seen. Indians can learn much from China. I believe the 2 way trade is booming and has passed the 10 billion dollar mark and China is no more the hated word in India. I wish we could arrive at a similar situation with Pakistan but then Paki rulers are not of the same calibre as the Chinese.
You are also right about the civilizational similarities between India and the South East Asia. Buddhism exported from India has held sway in these countries for many centuries. Many of these similarities can still be seen. Indonesia, for eg, has a very syncretic culture, imbibing both the Hindu and Islamic cultures. It calls its Airline Garuda and its former head of state went by the name of Sukarnaputri!
Sridhar
#225 Posted by rsridhar on December 9, 2004 9:19:33 pm
re:#198 by bongdongs
Bangladesh has a large gas reserve but has been unwilling to cooperate with India (due to strong anti Indian lobby by the India haters there). Many MNCs moved out of there because they thought that without selling gas to the vast Indian market, MNCs can`t make a profit. So, who is the loser here?
Now, i hear the Tatas have been invited to invest and they are exploring options carefully. B`Desh may yet become a good trading partner to India.
If Pak refuses India access to Central Asia, India would explore other avenues for gas, including underwater pipelines, completely bypassing Pak. Yes, this will cost India more but then Pak would lose out on the transit fee.
Pak has no choice but to compromise on Kashmir.
The big question to ask would be: is it worth putting the lives of 130 million Pakis on ransom for the plight of some 9 million Kashmiris? I think u know the answer to this one already.
Sridhar
Bangladesh has a large gas reserve but has been unwilling to cooperate with India (due to strong anti Indian lobby by the India haters there). Many MNCs moved out of there because they thought that without selling gas to the vast Indian market, MNCs can`t make a profit. So, who is the loser here?
Now, i hear the Tatas have been invited to invest and they are exploring options carefully. B`Desh may yet become a good trading partner to India.
If Pak refuses India access to Central Asia, India would explore other avenues for gas, including underwater pipelines, completely bypassing Pak. Yes, this will cost India more but then Pak would lose out on the transit fee.
Pak has no choice but to compromise on Kashmir.
The big question to ask would be: is it worth putting the lives of 130 million Pakis on ransom for the plight of some 9 million Kashmiris? I think u know the answer to this one already.
Sridhar
#224 Posted by ballukhan on December 8, 2004 11:22:06 pm
Anyone having a good idea about what Mush tried to do when the civilian government started negotiating would realize that Indian government knows that one cannot negotiate with Mush over Kashmir. Bootlickers thought that Mush has done a great job with Kargil (he is indeed the last General to try using force to wrest Kashmir) and his ``core issue`` formulation of the Indo-Pak problem. But Indian government is clearly not willing to forget Kargil and the fact that he is ``motivated`` by personel hurt and revenge to take up Kashmir as a personal issue.
So forget it!! till Mush is around we can forget about Kashmir as anything but a ``Atut Ang`` of India. I hope the bootlickers get the message!!
So forget it!! till Mush is around we can forget about Kashmir as anything but a ``Atut Ang`` of India. I hope the bootlickers get the message!!
#223 Posted by bbabu on December 8, 2004 6:04:23 pm
Romair # 215
`` Having said that, I am not sure whether your opinion/theory holds water. Every twenty-year old Afghan with a donkey and and a bow and arrow was able to conquer India. He easily kicked the butt of even my own ancestors, who were considered the heavyweight champion warriors of India, i.e. Rajputs. Quite embarrasing for me, but that is a story for another day. ``
What makes you think your ancestors were good warriors !!! I am curious if Pakistanis still hold to this martial race theory.
Your docile Bengali Muslims are the only ethnic group to win independence from India and Pakistan. Your darkie docile Sri lanka Tamils might be the second.
#222 Posted by Ralph on December 8, 2004 6:04:06 pm
romair # 215
``Why is India putting up a peace-loving facade, when it, according to you, has no reason nor intention to make peace, nor budge from its stance?``
Strange. There are two parties -
I: Says Kashmir is ours. Anyone using violence to take Kashmir away from us will be met with violence.
P: Says Kashmir is ours. There will be no peace until it becomes ours - clearly implying what - that P will engage in violence till it believes it can snatch Kashmir from I.
I couldn`t see how Pakistan can accuse India of using violence. Any Indian or Pakistani can take a consistent moral position in defense of his views, but using totally nonsensical logic is unforgivable.
``Why is India putting up a peace-loving facade, when it, according to you, has no reason nor intention to make peace, nor budge from its stance?``
Strange. There are two parties -
I: Says Kashmir is ours. Anyone using violence to take Kashmir away from us will be met with violence.
P: Says Kashmir is ours. There will be no peace until it becomes ours - clearly implying what - that P will engage in violence till it believes it can snatch Kashmir from I.
I couldn`t see how Pakistan can accuse India of using violence. Any Indian or Pakistani can take a consistent moral position in defense of his views, but using totally nonsensical logic is unforgivable.
#221 Posted by dost_mittar on December 8, 2004 2:05:19 pm
Correction to #220:
Romair:
``Every twenty-year old Afghan with a donkey and and a bow and arrow was able to conquer India. He easily kicked the butt of even my own ancestors, who were considered the heavyweight champion warriors of India, i.e. Rajputs.``
You have it wrong my friend. Afghans with donkeys were able to rule India because your rajput ancestors, whose warrior dharma it was to defend the land, forgot their dharma, turned against their rajput brothers, and surrendered their land, their daughters and their faith to the invaders instead of fighting them. Indians have finally learnt their lesson and now it is the right and responsibility of every Indian to defend his country regardless of caste and creed.
PS: This has nothing to do with my views on Kashmir:)
Romair:
``Every twenty-year old Afghan with a donkey and and a bow and arrow was able to conquer India. He easily kicked the butt of even my own ancestors, who were considered the heavyweight champion warriors of India, i.e. Rajputs.``
You have it wrong my friend. Afghans with donkeys were able to rule India because your rajput ancestors, whose warrior dharma it was to defend the land, forgot their dharma, turned against their rajput brothers, and surrendered their land, their daughters and their faith to the invaders instead of fighting them. Indians have finally learnt their lesson and now it is the right and responsibility of every Indian to defend his country regardless of caste and creed.
PS: This has nothing to do with my views on Kashmir:)
#220 Posted by dost_mittar on December 8, 2004 1:56:24 pm
Romair:
``Every twenty-year old Afghan with a donkey and and a bow and arrow was able to conquer India. He easily kicked the butt of even my own ancestors, who were considered the heavyweight champion warriors of India, i.e. Rajputs.``
You have it wrong my friend. Afghans with donkeys were able to rule India because your rajput ancestors, whose dharma it was to defend the land, forgot their dharma, and surrendered their land, their daughters and their faith to the invaders instead of fighting them. Indians have finally learnt their lesson and now it is the right and responsibility of every Indian to defend his country regardless of caste and creed.
PS: This has nothing to do with my views on Kashmir:)
``Every twenty-year old Afghan with a donkey and and a bow and arrow was able to conquer India. He easily kicked the butt of even my own ancestors, who were considered the heavyweight champion warriors of India, i.e. Rajputs.``
You have it wrong my friend. Afghans with donkeys were able to rule India because your rajput ancestors, whose dharma it was to defend the land, forgot their dharma, and surrendered their land, their daughters and their faith to the invaders instead of fighting them. Indians have finally learnt their lesson and now it is the right and responsibility of every Indian to defend his country regardless of caste and creed.
PS: This has nothing to do with my views on Kashmir:)
#219 Posted by nikki7777 on December 8, 2004 12:03:49 pm
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#218 Posted by sadna on December 8, 2004 12:03:49 pm
#200
Actually sac, it is more like India is an Atlantic City casino in the ``visually-challenged`` eyes of Pakistan, an inverterate casino gambler - who takes huge handouts from the great Satan, burns down his neighbour`s house for money, takes cuts from gunrunners and drug dealers working his neighbourhood , tears up the title deed of his ancestoral house so his subordinates can run racketeering outfits out of its rooms, pawns off his wife, sisters and children to the highest Arab bidder( who happen to be great Satan`s enemies), calls his brothers traitors for protesting at his choices - all in an attempt to break the bank of a nonexistent casino.
#217 Posted by ankit on December 8, 2004 11:14:12 am
``Every twenty-year old Afghan with a donkey and and a bow and arrow was able to conquer India``
seems that is the notion because of which the afghans ventured into kashmir, this time armed with kalashnikovs. only their a$$ got kicked so bad, even afghans will be talking of gandhi now!
seems that is the notion because of which the afghans ventured into kashmir, this time armed with kalashnikovs. only their a$$ got kicked so bad, even afghans will be talking of gandhi now!
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