A Space of One’s Own
Beena Sarwar April 5, 2005
#133 Posted by aarohi on June 10, 2005 6:02:35 am
Talking about women cycling, and that being an issue a must-watch is Marzieh Meshkini`s (iranian) film The Day I Became A Woman. An eloquent enunciation of the quest for identity that millions of women undertake the worldover, and what it means to become a woman. The film tells the story of a little girl, a mrried woman and an old lady and their ``becoming`` at different points in their life. From the first family of Iranian cinema, the Mahkmalbafs, this is a fantastic piece of work .
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#132 Posted by ntsyed on April 15, 2005 4:26:56 am
Re: # 131
I realize, by your own admission, intellectual debates are tiring for you.
Thank you for proving my points :-)~
I realize, by your own admission, intellectual debates are tiring for you.
Thank you for proving my points :-)~
#131 Posted by vagabond78 on April 15, 2005 2:53:23 am
#130 by ntsyed,
Syed Uncle, dont throw your muslim morals on me. You do all kinds of dirty things in your home but dont talk about it. But when you see others talk you cringe in horror. Why? Because you are civil, civilized men. My foot!
For vulgarity, go check the verbal diarrhoea in your previous posts. How civil you were to your fellow muslim tahmed!
As for liberty and women, tribal women in Chota Nagpur are more liberal than Hillary Clinton. They manage their large families, their tribes and they have no scruples going topless. They make love with abandon and at will. Of course they dont know arabic so in your book they are ideal cases for convertion. Indeed, lots of missionaries are busy teaching them christian morals and bible.
Those who dont know individual freedom and dont respect others freedom talk about stuff like `our women` and `your women`. If you all respect each other`s women-whatever it means-then what`s Beena writing in this article hanh? Your Indian colleagues will tell you that women are much safer (and freer) in Mumbai than in predominantly muslim Karachi. Being free is more important than being safe. With freedom comes responsibility and you take precautions for your own safety. With no freedom your women are insecure and feel vulnerable, and depend on you for their safety, and that`s why your talk of `our women`, `your women` as if they are commodities. Subjugating women is civilised. Wow!
``A prostitute is the most liberal woman``
When you`re walking home dead of the night and a woman comes up, winks at you and says, ``aata kya?``, you recoil. She`s dirt to you. Woman with no morals. But if you set aside your sense of morality you`ll see that it`s only individual freedom theory at work. She`s just another free, confident, liberal woman on the job. And it takes guts to be in a profession thats counter to the prevailing social values.
``As apparent from you ID..``
Oh please!! Dont judge people from their ids for christ`s sake. I know appearances matter very much among muslims. Bearded men in salwars are religious. A modern, westernised woman is a whore, even if she`s your nephew`s wife. I know all this.
I love being a cynic, so more often than not I just kickass and move on. I`m not this articulate usually. It`s tiring.
Cheers
Syed Uncle, dont throw your muslim morals on me. You do all kinds of dirty things in your home but dont talk about it. But when you see others talk you cringe in horror. Why? Because you are civil, civilized men. My foot!
For vulgarity, go check the verbal diarrhoea in your previous posts. How civil you were to your fellow muslim tahmed!
As for liberty and women, tribal women in Chota Nagpur are more liberal than Hillary Clinton. They manage their large families, their tribes and they have no scruples going topless. They make love with abandon and at will. Of course they dont know arabic so in your book they are ideal cases for convertion. Indeed, lots of missionaries are busy teaching them christian morals and bible.
Those who dont know individual freedom and dont respect others freedom talk about stuff like `our women` and `your women`. If you all respect each other`s women-whatever it means-then what`s Beena writing in this article hanh? Your Indian colleagues will tell you that women are much safer (and freer) in Mumbai than in predominantly muslim Karachi. Being free is more important than being safe. With freedom comes responsibility and you take precautions for your own safety. With no freedom your women are insecure and feel vulnerable, and depend on you for their safety, and that`s why your talk of `our women`, `your women` as if they are commodities. Subjugating women is civilised. Wow!
``A prostitute is the most liberal woman``
When you`re walking home dead of the night and a woman comes up, winks at you and says, ``aata kya?``, you recoil. She`s dirt to you. Woman with no morals. But if you set aside your sense of morality you`ll see that it`s only individual freedom theory at work. She`s just another free, confident, liberal woman on the job. And it takes guts to be in a profession thats counter to the prevailing social values.
``As apparent from you ID..``
Oh please!! Dont judge people from their ids for christ`s sake. I know appearances matter very much among muslims. Bearded men in salwars are religious. A modern, westernised woman is a whore, even if she`s your nephew`s wife. I know all this.
I love being a cynic, so more often than not I just kickass and move on. I`m not this articulate usually. It`s tiring.
Cheers
#130 Posted by ntsyed on April 14, 2005 5:33:00 am
Re: # 129
vagabond78
As apparent from your ID, based on what I hear about Mumbai from my Indian colleagues here, it may be a big factor in nourishing your general contempt for civility as well as muddling the definitions of ``woman`` and ``liberal`` and how to use them properly in the same sentence, as demonstrated below (again):
a) A prostitue is the most liberal woman.
and
b) Most liberal woman are prostitutes.``
I was hoping Billy Boy`s predicament in #117 would remove that confusion for you, but...alas! May be you`ve yet to transition from being a delinquent juvenile to a civilized man.
Nevertheless, the remainder of your vulgarity is forgiven due to the fact that your women deserve more respect than you care offer them. However, don`t expect others to be as generous if you continue to leave them vulnerable on the Internet (or life in general) with your disrespect for other women. At that point you simply won`t matter then any more than you do now...which is practically nothing.
Otherwise, what you consider lymphosarcoma of the Josh and Hosh would give you perpetual and incurable nightmare with the famous dialogue ``tera kya banay ga Kaaliye?`` echoing inside your head for the rest of your life.
vagabond78
As apparent from your ID, based on what I hear about Mumbai from my Indian colleagues here, it may be a big factor in nourishing your general contempt for civility as well as muddling the definitions of ``woman`` and ``liberal`` and how to use them properly in the same sentence, as demonstrated below (again):
a) A prostitue is the most liberal woman.
and
b) Most liberal woman are prostitutes.``
I was hoping Billy Boy`s predicament in #117 would remove that confusion for you, but...alas! May be you`ve yet to transition from being a delinquent juvenile to a civilized man.
Nevertheless, the remainder of your vulgarity is forgiven due to the fact that your women deserve more respect than you care offer them. However, don`t expect others to be as generous if you continue to leave them vulnerable on the Internet (or life in general) with your disrespect for other women. At that point you simply won`t matter then any more than you do now...which is practically nothing.
Otherwise, what you consider lymphosarcoma of the Josh and Hosh would give you perpetual and incurable nightmare with the famous dialogue ``tera kya banay ga Kaaliye?`` echoing inside your head for the rest of your life.
#129 Posted by vagabond78 on April 13, 2005 9:02:34 pm
Temporal, tahmed,
Im mumbai he`d be called Abdul Hatela. Jiska sarak gaya hai.
Syed Uncle,
Your mother, sisters, sisters-in-law, mothers of your children, and your daughters, daughters-in-law, nieces, and ya your nephews` wives Christ!, all are very nice women. tahmed is crazy to think they could remind you of sex. I`m sure no woman can make you think of sex. In medical terms it`s called lymphosarcoma of the Josh and Hosh - incurable disease of the sexless.
Cheers
Im mumbai he`d be called Abdul Hatela. Jiska sarak gaya hai.
Syed Uncle,
Your mother, sisters, sisters-in-law, mothers of your children, and your daughters, daughters-in-law, nieces, and ya your nephews` wives Christ!, all are very nice women. tahmed is crazy to think they could remind you of sex. I`m sure no woman can make you think of sex. In medical terms it`s called lymphosarcoma of the Josh and Hosh - incurable disease of the sexless.
Cheers
#128 Posted by temporal on April 13, 2005 7:15:33 pm
tahmed:
read #121
relax and do not bother to reply:)
frothing can cause demise...have mercy
read #121
relax and do not bother to reply:)
frothing can cause demise...have mercy
#127 Posted by ntsyed on April 13, 2005 12:28:42 pm
RE: #126
tahmed
scroll through the entire index and see for yourself, as others have seen it already. While you`re at it, cut and paste all you want...that is if you`ve recovered from selective dyslexia.
Before you do that though, answer this: what were to trying say but didn`t have the guts to say: ``...Quran was sent to end - `` in #110?
Quran was sent to end what?
Note of caution:
As Sajal eloquently quoted the ahadith from an Arab (pbuh) and the Arabic text in the Quran, our women are revered and not to be publicly displayed under the guise of false freedom to appease your western masters.
May be your moderate version of arab loathing Islam allows you to be a silent spectator when women are ogled and hooted by the low-lives. But where I come from, be prepared to have your sex changed on the spot if you remotely disrespect women - even implicitly, or wantonly accuse people like me of considering them as mere sex objects.
Rest assured, if you were to say to my face (that I consider my women as mere sex objects), Allah (whose book you distort and slander His beloved slaves with impunity) would be the Only One to save you from me.
Next time watch what you say, otherwise insha Allah just the froth will obliterate you.
tahmed
scroll through the entire index and see for yourself, as others have seen it already. While you`re at it, cut and paste all you want...that is if you`ve recovered from selective dyslexia.
Before you do that though, answer this: what were to trying say but didn`t have the guts to say: ``...Quran was sent to end - `` in #110?
Quran was sent to end what?
Note of caution:
As Sajal eloquently quoted the ahadith from an Arab (pbuh) and the Arabic text in the Quran, our women are revered and not to be publicly displayed under the guise of false freedom to appease your western masters.
May be your moderate version of arab loathing Islam allows you to be a silent spectator when women are ogled and hooted by the low-lives. But where I come from, be prepared to have your sex changed on the spot if you remotely disrespect women - even implicitly, or wantonly accuse people like me of considering them as mere sex objects.
Rest assured, if you were to say to my face (that I consider my women as mere sex objects), Allah (whose book you distort and slander His beloved slaves with impunity) would be the Only One to save you from me.
Next time watch what you say, otherwise insha Allah just the froth will obliterate you.
#126 Posted by tahmed32 on April 13, 2005 8:09:43 am
ntsyed #125 so i see you have wiped the foam off of your mouth, and are trying to write like a normal man again. too late. as omar khayyam said:
The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ,
Moves on: nor all your Piety nor Wit
Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line,
Nor all your Tears wash out a Word of it
Also, I see that despite your changes in style, you remain constant in your deceipt. as for your accusations to me, i am careful never to write anything on chowk that i would not say to a man`s face - or in front of anyone anywhere. so, you can lie all you want, but i challenge you to cut and paste anything i wrote to back your lies.
The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ,
Moves on: nor all your Piety nor Wit
Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line,
Nor all your Tears wash out a Word of it
Also, I see that despite your changes in style, you remain constant in your deceipt. as for your accusations to me, i am careful never to write anything on chowk that i would not say to a man`s face - or in front of anyone anywhere. so, you can lie all you want, but i challenge you to cut and paste anything i wrote to back your lies.
#125 Posted by ntsyed on April 13, 2005 5:27:41 am
Re: # 124
# 122:
````it does appear that this particular abdul hate is by now foaming at the mouth thus displaying, when confronted, his true form.``
Which true form are you talking about?
that not once I insulted your beliefs?
that not once I insulted who/what you follow?
In spite of the fact that you kept insulting me, my phonetics, my arabic and everything about me, I never reciprocated equally until you attempted to dehumanize my women by laying it on me. Did you think no one would notice how you camouflage your diabolic insinuations behind seemingly common words in the English language?
After initiating this discussion with me, have you found answers to any of my questions put to you?
You couldn`t, could you? That`s why you resorted to petty personal remarks by humoring arabic pronounciations and slandering revered scholars and accusing me of dehumanizing women.
And even after your last baseless accusation, which as I mentioned earlier include my mother, sisters, wife, daughter, etc, as well as YOUR women, I neither implied nor said anything about your women and how you treat them. Did you think I couldn`t... just becuase I happen to believe in my ARAB Prophet (pbuh) and his companions (ra) and promote true Islam? If I was a crazy mullah you take me for, you wouldn`t know where to hide your hide and that of your women.
You need to choose your words carefully. Otherwise you`ll never know when they`ll blow up in your face unexpectedly as you`ve recently experienced.
# 122:
````it does appear that this particular abdul hate is by now foaming at the mouth thus displaying, when confronted, his true form.``
Which true form are you talking about?
that not once I insulted your beliefs?
that not once I insulted who/what you follow?
In spite of the fact that you kept insulting me, my phonetics, my arabic and everything about me, I never reciprocated equally until you attempted to dehumanize my women by laying it on me. Did you think no one would notice how you camouflage your diabolic insinuations behind seemingly common words in the English language?
After initiating this discussion with me, have you found answers to any of my questions put to you?
You couldn`t, could you? That`s why you resorted to petty personal remarks by humoring arabic pronounciations and slandering revered scholars and accusing me of dehumanizing women.
And even after your last baseless accusation, which as I mentioned earlier include my mother, sisters, wife, daughter, etc, as well as YOUR women, I neither implied nor said anything about your women and how you treat them. Did you think I couldn`t... just becuase I happen to believe in my ARAB Prophet (pbuh) and his companions (ra) and promote true Islam? If I was a crazy mullah you take me for, you wouldn`t know where to hide your hide and that of your women.
You need to choose your words carefully. Otherwise you`ll never know when they`ll blow up in your face unexpectedly as you`ve recently experienced.
#124 Posted by tahmed32 on April 13, 2005 4:28:30 am
ntsyed: abdul hate trying to be humorous. but the foam is still dripping from your mouth.
#123 Posted by ntsyed on April 13, 2005 4:22:02 am
Re: #121, 122
ATTENTION EVERYONE!
It appears that two unknown ``Khaet ki`` pesticidal accidents for ``Moolies``, aka temporal and tahmed32, consider the pimples on the soothing source of their carnal needs - they refer to as their bums - as sprouting of the remaining fragments of their brains; since following their skulls every other part of their bodies has rejected these dead cells.
Their aggravated affliction seems to stem from the fact that they have been unable to produce legitimate counter arguments to substantiate their claims. Hence they resorted to arab loathing and name calling. When their vain tactics were sucessfully deflected to blow up in their faces, they seem to be reveling in each other`s intellectual excessive and frequent evacuation of watery feces (usually indicating gastrointestinal distress or disorder and commonly known as diarrhoea) to disguise their bewilderment at such unexpected humiliation.
Imagine that... moolies suffering from gastrointestinal distress or disorder. No wonder their intellectual flatulence is intolerable.
Please beware that they are brainless, thus can be dangerous.... only to themselves though. Just don`t be around when they implode due to excessive production of lethal gases within
ATTENTION EVERYONE!
It appears that two unknown ``Khaet ki`` pesticidal accidents for ``Moolies``, aka temporal and tahmed32, consider the pimples on the soothing source of their carnal needs - they refer to as their bums - as sprouting of the remaining fragments of their brains; since following their skulls every other part of their bodies has rejected these dead cells.
Their aggravated affliction seems to stem from the fact that they have been unable to produce legitimate counter arguments to substantiate their claims. Hence they resorted to arab loathing and name calling. When their vain tactics were sucessfully deflected to blow up in their faces, they seem to be reveling in each other`s intellectual excessive and frequent evacuation of watery feces (usually indicating gastrointestinal distress or disorder and commonly known as diarrhoea) to disguise their bewilderment at such unexpected humiliation.
Imagine that... moolies suffering from gastrointestinal distress or disorder. No wonder their intellectual flatulence is intolerable.
Please beware that they are brainless, thus can be dangerous.... only to themselves though. Just don`t be around when they implode due to excessive production of lethal gases within
#122 Posted by tahmed32 on April 12, 2005 4:06:56 pm
t #121: it does appear that this particular abdul hate is by now foaming at the mouth thus displaying, when confronted, his true form. So much for his arab-speak (i meant arab-thpeak) and mumbo-jumbo about traditional mullahs vs his kind of new-improved mullahs.
aap ki daad ka shookriyaa, warna bandaa kis khaet ki mooli hai. ;-)
aap ki daad ka shookriyaa, warna bandaa kis khaet ki mooli hai. ;-)
#121 Posted by temporal on April 12, 2005 1:31:52 pm
tahmed:
wah wah! i was going to say encore, but nts posted it twice already! maashallah, subanallah! kya zabaan paee hay in ayatollah nay!
over the years have you seen how abdul-hates start frothing when confronted?...i think you should cease and desist... the poor follow is seethig and frothing...
rgds
t
wah wah! i was going to say encore, but nts posted it twice already! maashallah, subanallah! kya zabaan paee hay in ayatollah nay!
over the years have you seen how abdul-hates start frothing when confronted?...i think you should cease and desist... the poor follow is seethig and frothing...
rgds
t
#120 Posted by ntsyed on April 12, 2005 12:00:55 pm
Re: # 118
From the get go you reminded me of an old verse I used to use on my opponents in grade school, I just held off on it in respect which you lost with your dumbass attitude:
dil to kerta hai tujhey cheere k leera(n) ker doon
phir ye kehta hoon k bachcha hai paresha(n) hoga
You wanna talk filth?
Tell me where did the following come from:
``...it is no wonder that you seek to reduce the status of women from equal human beings to that of mere sex objects.``
Does it ring any bells in the hollow space between your ears?
Now tell me, where did that filth come from, me or you?
If I were to stoop to your level of idiocy, I could`ve easily said things that would make you commit suicide by swallowing your own stupid tongue.
Just because your pathetic existence couldn`t come up with a counter argument, how dare you make an unsubstantiated accusation that I consider women mere sex objects?
Did you ever stop to think that I may have women in my life that I hold dearer than my own?
Did you think I`d consider my mother, sisters, the mother of my children, and my daughter mere sex objects?
You Stupid Punk for a baboon`s butt!
Who gave you that right? Your diploma in English language... you dead poet`s maggot filled rotten nut!
You`re lucky I ain`t present in the romantic Lahore you refer to in your sh*t for poetry... otherwise you`d make headlines: Punk Pseudo Gora Boy Slapped Silly In The Middle of Town
Kal ka chhokra sala...``tankian bhernay lageen to aaj is duffer ki toontian behnay lageen``
By now should have learned the most important lesson of your life: don`t argue when you can`t handle speechlessness due to your low IQ.
From the get go you reminded me of an old verse I used to use on my opponents in grade school, I just held off on it in respect which you lost with your dumbass attitude:
dil to kerta hai tujhey cheere k leera(n) ker doon
phir ye kehta hoon k bachcha hai paresha(n) hoga
You wanna talk filth?
Tell me where did the following come from:
``...it is no wonder that you seek to reduce the status of women from equal human beings to that of mere sex objects.``
Does it ring any bells in the hollow space between your ears?
Now tell me, where did that filth come from, me or you?
If I were to stoop to your level of idiocy, I could`ve easily said things that would make you commit suicide by swallowing your own stupid tongue.
Just because your pathetic existence couldn`t come up with a counter argument, how dare you make an unsubstantiated accusation that I consider women mere sex objects?
Did you ever stop to think that I may have women in my life that I hold dearer than my own?
Did you think I`d consider my mother, sisters, the mother of my children, and my daughter mere sex objects?
You Stupid Punk for a baboon`s butt!
Who gave you that right? Your diploma in English language... you dead poet`s maggot filled rotten nut!
You`re lucky I ain`t present in the romantic Lahore you refer to in your sh*t for poetry... otherwise you`d make headlines: Punk Pseudo Gora Boy Slapped Silly In The Middle of Town
Kal ka chhokra sala...``tankian bhernay lageen to aaj is duffer ki toontian behnay lageen``
By now should have learned the most important lesson of your life: don`t argue when you can`t handle speechlessness due to your low IQ.
#119 Posted by ntsyed on April 12, 2005 12:00:07 pm
Re: # 118
From the get go you reminded me of an old verse I used to use on my opponents in grade school, I just held off on it in respect which you lost with your dumbass attitude:
dil to kerta hai tujhey cheere k leera(n) ker doon
phir ye kehta hoon k bachcha hai paresha(n) hoga
You wanna talk filth?
Tell me where did the following come from:
``...it is no wonder that you seek to reduce the status of women from equal human beings to that of mere sex objects.``
Does it ring any bells in the hollow space between your ears?
Now tell me, where did that filth come from, me or you?
If I were to stoop to your level of idiocy, I could`ve easily said things that would make you commit suicide by swallowing your own stupid tongue.
Just because your pathetic existence couldn`t come up with a counter argument, how dare you make an unsubstantiated accusation that I consider women mere sex objects?
Did you ever stop to think that I may have women in my life that I hold dearer than my own?
Did you think I`d consider my mother, sisters, the mother of my children, and my daughter mere sex objects?
You Stupid Punk for a baboon`s butt!
Who gave you that right? Your diploma in English language... you dead poet`s maggot filled rotten nut!
You`re lucky I ain`t present in the romantic Lahore you refer to in your sh*t for poetry... otherwise you`d make headlines: Punk Pseudo Gora Boy Slapped Silly In The Middle of Town
Kal ka chhokra sala...``tankian bhernay lageen to aaj is duffer ki toontian behnay lageen``
By now should have learned the most important lesson of your life: don`t argue when you can`t handle speechlessness due to your low IQ.
From the get go you reminded me of an old verse I used to use on my opponents in grade school, I just held off on it in respect which you lost with your dumbass attitude:
dil to kerta hai tujhey cheere k leera(n) ker doon
phir ye kehta hoon k bachcha hai paresha(n) hoga
You wanna talk filth?
Tell me where did the following come from:
``...it is no wonder that you seek to reduce the status of women from equal human beings to that of mere sex objects.``
Does it ring any bells in the hollow space between your ears?
Now tell me, where did that filth come from, me or you?
If I were to stoop to your level of idiocy, I could`ve easily said things that would make you commit suicide by swallowing your own stupid tongue.
Just because your pathetic existence couldn`t come up with a counter argument, how dare you make an unsubstantiated accusation that I consider women mere sex objects?
Did you ever stop to think that I may have women in my life that I hold dearer than my own?
Did you think I`d consider my mother, sisters, the mother of my children, and my daughter mere sex objects?
You Stupid Punk for a baboon`s butt!
Who gave you that right? Your diploma in English language... you dead poet`s maggot filled rotten nut!
You`re lucky I ain`t present in the romantic Lahore you refer to in your sh*t for poetry... otherwise you`d make headlines: Punk Pseudo Gora Boy Slapped Silly In The Middle of Town
Kal ka chhokra sala...``tankian bhernay lageen to aaj is duffer ki toontian behnay lageen``
By now should have learned the most important lesson of your life: don`t argue when you can`t handle speechlessness due to your low IQ.
#118 Posted by tahmed32 on April 12, 2005 7:54:33 am
ntsyed: So, you are reduced from making references to religious teachings to spouting filth and making cheap remarks. As I said in #111, I wouldnt expect my posts on chowk to undo a lifetime of twisted teaching. With this latest post, you have demonstrated in the environment of filth in which you received your lifetime of twisted teachings. You have just demonstrated the true face of the failures in Pakistan who seek to cover up their failures behind a beard and bow to their pagan priests and repeat their pagan mumbo-jumbo.
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