Mohammad Gill July 20, 2005
#23 Posted by cayenne on July 26, 2005 12:33:16 am
I wonder what this man is reading at the detroit public library?.The sexual life of the last Viceroy of India?.Oh no, the Mahatma hisself!!!.What else do you expect from a pak who works in the sewer department?.
#22 Posted by cayenne on July 22, 2005 11:54:32 pm
#17 by tahmed32 on July 22, 2005 7:36am PT
cayenne: and you far exceeded yourself simply by coming to chowk.
tahmed32:and you have outdone yourself by simply sticking around.Scat.
cayenne: and you far exceeded yourself simply by coming to chowk.
tahmed32:and you have outdone yourself by simply sticking around.Scat.
#21 Posted by zensufi on July 22, 2005 6:24:06 pm
Hallo... most interesting! Yes, did not think of Einstein as a lover, husband, and such. Of course we are after all human, even super scientists.
thanks,
-zensufi-
thanks,
-zensufi-
#20 Posted by AlephNull on July 22, 2005 12:28:41 pm
concerned1 #14:
I dont want to hijack Gill sahibs board, so Ill keep my comments brief and generic; please follow-up on Unplugged Off-The-Wall if you wish. The new agreements, if they can get past domestic opposition on both sides, look like the culmination of a paradigm shift in relations between India and US. The devil is in the details we need to know exactly what has been promised and what the linkages are. K Subrahmanyam (doyen of Indias nuclear-strategic establishment) had a basically positive comment in ToI. The entrenched US non-proliferation fundamentalists and the Chinese are of course livid.
I dont want to hijack Gill sahibs board, so Ill keep my comments brief and generic; please follow-up on Unplugged Off-The-Wall if you wish. The new agreements, if they can get past domestic opposition on both sides, look like the culmination of a paradigm shift in relations between India and US. The devil is in the details we need to know exactly what has been promised and what the linkages are. K Subrahmanyam (doyen of Indias nuclear-strategic establishment) had a basically positive comment in ToI. The entrenched US non-proliferation fundamentalists and the Chinese are of course livid.
#19 Posted by tahmed32 on July 22, 2005 12:15:48 pm
freethinker #18 here are some anecdotes from Einstein`s personal life that i remember coming across over the years:
1. The newly formed Israeli state offered to make him the first President of Israel. Einstein refused, preferring to persue his scientific interests. Just like Pervaiz Musharaff (who, as we all know, repeatedly turned down requests from a grateful nation to become the President of Pakistan, preferring instead to the humble title of Chief Executive - until, of course, he finally showed how much he cared for the feelings of all Pakistanis and declared himself President).
2. Einstein once took a $1,000 bank note (they used to have such a thing back then I guess), and used it as a bookmark. Then he lost the book.
This love for education over money is of course another characteristic of the Pakistani elite. The first thing Pakistanis do when they come to the west is to head for the library. Their thirst for knowledge is so much, they load PIA planes with so many books that the plane actually becomes too heavy to fly.
3. A man once wrote about how he was a guest at Einstein`s house, and admitted that he did not understand classical music. Einstein patiently spent the rest of the evening developing this appreciation in him with the help of some music.
This again is just like us Pakistanis. Every mosque plays Beethoven and Bachs on fridays to help set the mood for prayers.
1. The newly formed Israeli state offered to make him the first President of Israel. Einstein refused, preferring to persue his scientific interests. Just like Pervaiz Musharaff (who, as we all know, repeatedly turned down requests from a grateful nation to become the President of Pakistan, preferring instead to the humble title of Chief Executive - until, of course, he finally showed how much he cared for the feelings of all Pakistanis and declared himself President).
2. Einstein once took a $1,000 bank note (they used to have such a thing back then I guess), and used it as a bookmark. Then he lost the book.
This love for education over money is of course another characteristic of the Pakistani elite. The first thing Pakistanis do when they come to the west is to head for the library. Their thirst for knowledge is so much, they load PIA planes with so many books that the plane actually becomes too heavy to fly.
3. A man once wrote about how he was a guest at Einstein`s house, and admitted that he did not understand classical music. Einstein patiently spent the rest of the evening developing this appreciation in him with the help of some music.
This again is just like us Pakistanis. Every mosque plays Beethoven and Bachs on fridays to help set the mood for prayers.
#18 Posted by freethinker on July 22, 2005 9:53:34 am
Readers and Inter-actors:
Let me share the information with you how this article came into being. I didnt know much about Einsteins private and personal life although I knew he had divorced his first wife and married his cousin who took care of him and his household. I didnt care much about his private life although one likes to know as much of the humanness of a person whom one adores, as possible. I also knew that Hans Einstein, who greatly impacted my own research career, was one of the two sons of the great physicist. So, Einstein held a kind of curious mystique for me. But I was not really on the track of digging into his personal life.
I was on a different track. I had accidentally come across some information that accused Einstein of plagiarism. Einstein and plagiarism! It was a big shocker for me. I googled him and found screen after screen that talked, rightly or wrongly, about his plagiarism. I was mystified. I have a couple of biographical books on Einstein, so I opened them up. The information that I had previously glossed over revealed new meanings now. I started digging deeper to satisfy my curiousity.
One day, my daughter asked me to accompany her to Borders store because she wanted to buy some dvds. She suggested that I could use my gift cards to buy some books from the store. In the bookstore, I started to look at the books on Einstein to see if any of them had any information about his plagiarism. I came across Einstein in Love; since I was not interested in his love life, I passed it. I didnt find readily any information on his plagiarism in those books, so I opened this book halfheartedly. I started reading the sections on special and general relativity. There was a good deal of information which pertained to plagiarism (factual or otherwise); so I bought the book.
At first, I read it selectively and then I started reading it from the beginning. I didnt know much of what I read in this book. His love life was totally unknown to me but was quite interesting. I had regarded Einstein as demigod of physics, and he still is. But my mistake was that I also regarded him as a superhuman. I was startled to find out that he was human like us (okay, not like us but like Woody Allen).
I thought I should share this information with the chowk readers; maybe many of them were also unaware of Einsteins humanness like me. It is not out of dis-respect to the great scientist that he was.
Mohammad Gill
Let me share the information with you how this article came into being. I didnt know much about Einsteins private and personal life although I knew he had divorced his first wife and married his cousin who took care of him and his household. I didnt care much about his private life although one likes to know as much of the humanness of a person whom one adores, as possible. I also knew that Hans Einstein, who greatly impacted my own research career, was one of the two sons of the great physicist. So, Einstein held a kind of curious mystique for me. But I was not really on the track of digging into his personal life.
I was on a different track. I had accidentally come across some information that accused Einstein of plagiarism. Einstein and plagiarism! It was a big shocker for me. I googled him and found screen after screen that talked, rightly or wrongly, about his plagiarism. I was mystified. I have a couple of biographical books on Einstein, so I opened them up. The information that I had previously glossed over revealed new meanings now. I started digging deeper to satisfy my curiousity.
One day, my daughter asked me to accompany her to Borders store because she wanted to buy some dvds. She suggested that I could use my gift cards to buy some books from the store. In the bookstore, I started to look at the books on Einstein to see if any of them had any information about his plagiarism. I came across Einstein in Love; since I was not interested in his love life, I passed it. I didnt find readily any information on his plagiarism in those books, so I opened this book halfheartedly. I started reading the sections on special and general relativity. There was a good deal of information which pertained to plagiarism (factual or otherwise); so I bought the book.
At first, I read it selectively and then I started reading it from the beginning. I didnt know much of what I read in this book. His love life was totally unknown to me but was quite interesting. I had regarded Einstein as demigod of physics, and he still is. But my mistake was that I also regarded him as a superhuman. I was startled to find out that he was human like us (okay, not like us but like Woody Allen).
I thought I should share this information with the chowk readers; maybe many of them were also unaware of Einsteins humanness like me. It is not out of dis-respect to the great scientist that he was.
Mohammad Gill
#17 Posted by tahmed32 on July 22, 2005 7:36:11 am
cayenne: and you far exceeded yourself simply by coming to chowk.
:-)
:-)
#16 Posted by shobig_sifar on July 22, 2005 7:34:00 am
I won`t agree on one thing though..
[Probably highly creative persons need all their time and minds for their creative work and marriage and steady relationships are only a bothersome appendage; that probably was the reason that Newton remained unmarried all his life]
Not necessarily! Sir Isaac Newton was a member of UK parliament twice, and i don`t think politics is any lesser trubulent and distracting a business than marriage.
One thing that probably best distinguishes an ordinary person form a genius or a `highly creative` person, is that while an average person would be either a jack of all or a master of one, a genius or a consummator would excell in every skill he cherishes and get as close as possible to mastering in all that he engages himslef into. Marriage is a differnet business altogether, it`s more about emotions than genius/intelligence.
[Probably highly creative persons need all their time and minds for their creative work and marriage and steady relationships are only a bothersome appendage; that probably was the reason that Newton remained unmarried all his life]
Not necessarily! Sir Isaac Newton was a member of UK parliament twice, and i don`t think politics is any lesser trubulent and distracting a business than marriage.
One thing that probably best distinguishes an ordinary person form a genius or a `highly creative` person, is that while an average person would be either a jack of all or a master of one, a genius or a consummator would excell in every skill he cherishes and get as close as possible to mastering in all that he engages himslef into. Marriage is a differnet business altogether, it`s more about emotions than genius/intelligence.
#15 Posted by cayenne on July 22, 2005 1:12:44 am
A `low-brow` essay by a `low-brow` person.Dr.Gill you have far exceeded yourself.
#14 Posted by concerned1 on July 21, 2005 11:04:39 pm
alephnull:
what is your understanding of the us-india nuclear pact?
vajapyee had this to say...``it is difficult to resist the feeling that while India has made long-term and specific commitments in the Joint Statement, the US has merely made promises``
which goes with
``What is significant about the agreement (inked on June 18 between India and the US) is that New Delhi committed itself in public, very specifically to a series of actions to which it had not previously committed itself,`` the senior US official said. ..``
on the other hand, several reports in the indian media seem to be quite upbeat.
what is your understanding of the us-india nuclear pact?
vajapyee had this to say...``it is difficult to resist the feeling that while India has made long-term and specific commitments in the Joint Statement, the US has merely made promises``
which goes with
``What is significant about the agreement (inked on June 18 between India and the US) is that New Delhi committed itself in public, very specifically to a series of actions to which it had not previously committed itself,`` the senior US official said. ..``
on the other hand, several reports in the indian media seem to be quite upbeat.
#13 Posted by ullu_ka_pathha on July 21, 2005 5:35:56 am
NFP please collect your shit.It`s falling on my head.
#12 Posted by harish_hyd on July 21, 2005 5:03:28 am
Ive always wondered why I cant seem to have enough of women, but now I know. Maybe theres a genius lurking inside me too ;-)
#11 Posted by shobig_sifar on July 21, 2005 2:57:31 am
An interesting article for a change Dr Gill, thumbs up. Good to know two of the most significant historical figures of the 20th century, associated particualrly with the WW2, a la Hitler and Einstein, had an almost equally disrupted and inconsistant love life, a coincidence?
regards
regards
#10 Posted by freethinker on July 21, 2005 2:39:06 am
Alephnull:
I stand corrected on both counts. Thanks,
Mohammad Gill
I stand corrected on both counts. Thanks,
Mohammad Gill
#9 Posted by burpinder on July 21, 2005 12:53:11 am
Also, your column would be better off being titled ``Science and Sensibility``. The double pun attempt does NOT come off (n)
#8 Posted by burpinder on July 21, 2005 12:51:07 am
So I take it the film IQ is a work of fiction? ;))))
**For the uninitiated, IQ is a Hollywood chick- flick-if-I-ever-saw- one in which a retired, elderly Einstein (that dude who played Mr. Wilson in Dennis the menace) fondly facilitates the romance of his niece (Meg Sugaryan) with a local mechanic (Tim-what am I doing in this movie- Robbins). He is shown as happily single in the flick, with only a handful of jovial old scientists for company.
Anyway, to come to this piece, like someone says, looks hastily written, but a nice read nevertheless. I qalso feel Dr. Gill is a little harsh on Poor Albert :)))
all he did was date someone at sixteen, marry someone else and have kids when he slightly older and divorced and remarried in middle-age. That seems par for the course in American at least these days! So the most you can say is that Einstein was ahead of his time, and not just specking scientifically!
Would have liked some more elaboration on the alleged affairs, with or without the juicy details kaura seeks, for that might have given some more insight into the kind of man he REALLY was!!
PS>> ``Mundane`` and ``lacklustre`` are not typically words you use to describe a love life, unless it were virtully non-existent, and old Al seems to have led quite a merry one!
**For the uninitiated, IQ is a Hollywood chick- flick-if-I-ever-saw- one in which a retired, elderly Einstein (that dude who played Mr. Wilson in Dennis the menace) fondly facilitates the romance of his niece (Meg Sugaryan) with a local mechanic (Tim-what am I doing in this movie- Robbins). He is shown as happily single in the flick, with only a handful of jovial old scientists for company.
Anyway, to come to this piece, like someone says, looks hastily written, but a nice read nevertheless. I qalso feel Dr. Gill is a little harsh on Poor Albert :)))
all he did was date someone at sixteen, marry someone else and have kids when he slightly older and divorced and remarried in middle-age. That seems par for the course in American at least these days! So the most you can say is that Einstein was ahead of his time, and not just specking scientifically!
Would have liked some more elaboration on the alleged affairs, with or without the juicy details kaura seeks, for that might have given some more insight into the kind of man he REALLY was!!
PS>> ``Mundane`` and ``lacklustre`` are not typically words you use to describe a love life, unless it were virtully non-existent, and old Al seems to have led quite a merry one!
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