Ha Ha To the Axis of Evil Speech Reply # 55 bong_dongs

[hobbyty,

``The largest reserves of gas are not in CA or ME, but under the Arabian sea ``]

Like I stated earlier, the largest gas reserves are in the bellies of 1 billion Indians, once they have eaten their aaloo gobhi for breakfast, chanay ki daal for lunch and gobhi aaloo for dinner.

Ha Ha To the Axis of Evil Speech ylh # 30

[Therefore I need allies like Sigalph and Aisha Sarwari... if only there were more on this planet like them.]

Aisha I can understand, but why do you need Uncle Tom as your ally?

Strategic Depth at Home SameerJB,

The following news item will make your sick heart happy. As someone who gloats over death of Pakistanis in bus crashes, you would now pray to your god that all the 48 injured may die. You can then throw a bhangra party, pump up some Gurdas Mann music... __________________________________________

You have displayed your extreme and irrational hatred for Pakistan and Pakistanis several times. Why should we take your drivel seriously?

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Bus turns turtle, 48 injured

ISLAMABAD: A passenger bus enroute to Islamabad from Rawalpindi on Monday morning turned turtle on Islamabad Highway near I-8 signals injuring 48 passengers, 3 of them seriously.

According to details, the bus bearing registration No.RIR-5957 was coming from Rawalpindi when the driver violated signals at 7.55 a.m. resulting in an accident.

The Wages of Obedience saminashah

[``Drinking more water and eating sabzi should be priority Number One on your list.``]

I always wondered why all feminazis at Cal had moustaches... must be their diet and this un-healthy emphasis on sabzi and pani!

Babe, the ultimate insult you can heap on a fine Pakistani like me is this offer of sabzi and pani.... remember our tradition is sharab and kabab.... although I can see where you are coming from.... I can imagine rsaxena nibbling at carrots and karelas with his beer at your party.... even dipping `em karelas in the beer before each bite, Indian style.

[``I will pass on your comments to my Ummi Jaan;``]

You use Pakistani terms like Ummi Jaan, Mashallah, etc.... don`t get me wrong, I have nothing against non-Muslims, non-Pakistanis sharing our culture.... but some casual visitors to chowk.com might get confused about your identity, so please, may I request you to desist from duping others into believing that you are a muslim-pakistani when you are actually not.

The Wages of Obedience Reply # 81 saminashah

[``I know well who Iqbal Ahmad is, thank you; a Palestinian organization I worked in presented him in a university lecture series. My parents also knew him. He was an extremely intelligent and lovely man.``]

Whoa! this babe was a red diaper baby (can I call you babe, since you called me ``sunshine``, ``dude``, ``dear``?)

It is interesting to note how dumb people blindly follow the religion of their ``parents``. Our own Maulana Fazloo Rehman Al-Diesel follows the religion of his father, the late Mufti Mehmood and considers himself enlightened, progressive etc. at the same time.

I noticed that you know the correct spelling too... I-Q-B-A-L... But the gentleman preferred the phony E-Q-B-A-L himself, so you should respect that.

[``My religious identity is not your concern.``]

Everyone`s ideological identity is everyone else`s concern post 9-11, if you haven`t noticed. The old communist ploy of hiding behind ``progressive`` and other labels is not going to work.

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Is the hydra still bothering you babe?

The Wages of Obedience Reply # 27 veeresh

[``Ali1:- what is wrong about thinking about a loose federation from amongst the SAARC countries, how does it harm anybody`s interests?``]

veeresh: as a Hindu, it is your (and advani`s) unalienable Cow-given right to dream about the destruction of Pakistan.

As Pakistanis, it is our unalienable God-given right to protect ourselves from your machinations.

[``Please do take the trouble to explain this to me rationally, if you don`t mind. I am really curious to know what would be wrong in a loose federation, initially for say trade and a few other matters?``]

Ok, seriuosly speaking, personally I don`t have a problem with a loose or tight Federation of Saarc countries.

But YOU might want to think about it again. What would YOU do when muslims become a majority in the combined federation in a few years time and impose a jizya on YOU, force YOUR women to wear the burqa and kill and eat the gao-mata in YOUR neighborhood? This is what they have done to the Hindus historically, as per your latest history books, so what would stop them from doing it again?

And advani? how many more mosques would he be able to demolish if 300 million Pakistani and Bangladeshi muslims are part of the federation? wouldn`t he and rest of the Hindutva monkeys have to pay for their murders and pillage of the past 50 years?

so think again veeresh ji; don`t pray for something you are not ready to receive.

The Wages of Obedience Reply #: 30 saminashah

saminashah, you are wrong, wrong and wrong. Let me show you how!

[``I don`t think that Ejaz Ahmed is anymore irrelevant than the progressive/leftish media in the US-``]

I was talking about Eqbal Ahmad. (Do a google serach and read all about him). Ejaz Ahmed is the candyass jellybean who writes for Friday Times, another so called dissident rag. I will introduce you to some real lions of Pakistani journalism but unfortunately for you all of them are from the Urdu press.

Eqbal Ahmad... Ejaz Ahmed.... confusing?? I know that you are a South Asian-American (not Pakistani-American... and only God can save the sod from your wrath when he dares to call you a muslim) but it won`t hurt to appreciate muslim/Pakistani names. --------;-)

[``I don`t think that Ejaz Ahmed is anymore irrelevant than the progressive/leftish media in the US- and that is to say they are quite relevant, no matter what the mainstream paid-for and-bought talking heads have to say.``]

Exposing and condemning phonies like Eqbal Ahmad means that I consider the ``progressive/leftist`` media in the US or anyother country irrelevant?????? How did you deduce this? This is certainly not my position.

Chomsky is totally irrelevant though... if you don`t trust this Pakistani-American than ask any American-American :-)

[``I`ve noticed a kind of selective listening among the Hindu-Jewish Conspiracy folk; that is, as long as it serves the interest of the conspiracy, then Chomsky is cited.``]

Have you noticed the selective listening among Americans too?. Muslim dissidents are given wide coverage while American dissidents are ignored.... How many times has Salman Rushdie has been published in NYT in the past 6 months as compared with Naom Chomsky??? I think its human nature to listen to what you want to listen to, be it ``hindu-jewish conspiracy`` folks or ``Islam is evil`` theorists.

[``It seems the Indo-Pak-Kashmir struggle serves someone`s interest-the question is whose?``]

It serves the interests of Kashmiris you want freedom from the yoke of Indian slavery.

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Now names of a few Pakistani journalists whom I admire (though not agree with)..... some leftists, some rightists, some suffered flogging and incarceration, all of them ``Urdu-medium``, none of them has/had a residency permit to fly to greener pastures if the heat in the kitchen got intolerable.... Ibrahim Jalees, Minhaj Barna, Raja Anwar, Ahmed Bashir, Salahuddin, Nizami brothers... read about them on your next visit to Pakistan.... err.... South Asia.

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Now where are the pics?

The Wages of Obedience Reply #: 30 saminashah

saminashah, you are wrong, wrong and wrong. Let me show you how!

[``I don`t think that Ejaz Ahmed is anymore irrelevant than the progressive/leftish media in the US-``]

I was talking about Eqbal Ahmad. (Do a google serach and read all about him). Ejaz Ahmed is the candyass jellybean who writes for Friday Times, another so called dissident rag. I will introduce you to some real lions of Pakistani journalism but unfortunately for you all of them are from the Urdu press.

Eqbal Ahmad... Ejaz Ahmed.... confusing?? I know that you are a South Asian-American (not Pakistani-American... and only God can save the sod from your wrath when he dares to call you a muslim) but it won`t hurt to appreciate muslim/Pakistani names. --------;-)

[``I don`t think that Ejaz Ahmed is anymore irrelevant than the progressive/leftish media in the US- and that is to say they are quite relevant, no matter what the mainstream paid-for and-bought talking heads have to say.``]

Exposing and condemning phonies like Eqbal Ahmad means that I consider the ``progressive/leftist`` media in the US or anyother country irrelevant?????? How did you deduce this? This is certainly not my position.

Chomsky is totally irrelevant though... if you don`t trust this Pakistani-American than ask any American-American :-)

[``I`ve noticed a kind of selective listening among the Hindu-Jewish Conspiracy folk; that is, as long as it serves the interest of the conspiracy, then Chomsky is cited.``]

Have you noticed the selective listening among Americans too?. Muslim dissidents are given wide coverage while American dissidents are ignored.... How many times has Salman Rushdie has been published in NYT in the past 6 months as compared with Naom Chomsky??? I think its human nature to listen to what you want to listen to, be it ``hindu-jewish conspiracy`` folks or ``Islam is evil`` theorists.

[``It seems the Indo-Pak-Kashmir struggle serves someone`s interest-the question is whose?``]

It serves the interests of Kashmiris you want freedom from the yoke of Indian slavery.

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Now names of a few Pakistani journalists whom I admire (though not agree with)..... some leftists, some rightists, some suffered flogging and incarceration, all of them ``Urdu-medium``, none of them has/had a residency permit to fly to greener pastures if the heat in the kitchen got intolerable.... Ibrahim Jalees, Minhaj Barna, Raja Anwar, Ahmed Bashir, Salahuddin, Nizami brothers... read about them on your next visit to Pakistan.... err.... South Asia.

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Now where are the pics?

The Wages of Obedience [``several Pakistani dissidents – marginalized and made irrelevant by the establishment – had repeatedly warned that Pakistan’s Afghanistan and Kashmir policies, built upon unbridled fantasy and wild assumptions, were doomed to collapse. None said this more eloquently and forcefully than the late Eqbal Ahmad.``]

Eqbal Ahmad made himself irrelevant to the Pakistani discourse way back in `71 when he refused to even mention the ethnic cleansing, murder and rape of West Pakistanis at the hands of Mukti Bahini terrorists and Indian Army regulars disguised as Mukti Bahni terrorists. He regarded the BSF regulars fighting with Mukti Bahini to break up Pakistan as freedom fighters... and rightfully belongs to the trash can of Pakistani history with other Pakistani communists.

You are making yourself as irrelevant as Eqbal Ahmad.

[``The people of Pakistan have their own battles to fight against the monsters of mass unemployment, ignorance, misogyny, ethnic and religious hatreds. It is time we turned our attention to these battles``]

True. But the biggest battle is the battle of survival. Even today, India`s interior minister dreams of a confederation of India, Pakistan and Bangladesh. Indian hatred will not go away even if we surrender Kashmir, which we won`t, regardless of what Pakistani liberals and communists say.

The Place of Debate Reply # 266 Romair

[``SameerJB #263: Had Shahbaz Sharif and Nawaz Sharif stuck around, the Shariat Bill (fifeenth amendment) would have definitely become a part of the Pakistani Constitution. In this sense, I am unable to understand your motivations. One the one hand you detest the maulvis. Yet you support people like the Sharifs who were a hair away from turning Pakistan into a legal theocracy.``]

Motivations!? Simple... dissolution of Pakistan, return of the Khalsa and return to the much glorified job of scrubbing Sikh horses in Badshahi Masjid!

The Place of Debate Reply # 266 Romair

[``SameerJB #263: Had Shahbaz Sharif and Nawaz Sharif stuck around, the Shariat Bill (fifeenth amendment) would have definitely become a part of the Pakistani Constitution. In this sense, I am unable to understand your motivations. One the one hand you detest the maulvis. Yet you support people like the Sharifs who were a hair away from turning Pakistan into a legal theocracy.``]

Motivations!? Simple... dissolution of Pakistan, return of the Khalsa and return to the much glorified job of scrubbing Sikh horses in Badshahi Masjid!

The Place of Debate ylh:

thank you for your post # 261. I am not surprised that the perpetrators of genocide at the time of partition are now portraying themselves as victims, considering the active help they get in their propaganda from the Pakistani communists and liberals.

Empty Vessels And All That Jazz Zeemax,

Your transformation is amazing.... and inspiring.

and now that you have made it known, I doubt that you`ll have another article published at chowk.com ever.... so might as well keep on interacting!

IT or a time to get LIT? Reply #: 36 shakir69

[recently when dr. eqbal ahmed passed away there was more of a response to the man and his writings abroad than in Pakistan. The average Pakistani doesnt even know who eqbal ahmad was.]

Eqbal Ahmad is as respected (and relavant) to an average Pakistani as his friend Naom Chomsky is to an average American. Chmosky is not even on the fringes of American political discourse, although he is well known abroad. I admire the average Pakistani for rejecting Eqbal Ahmad and his political ideology.

Buying What Sells Most new arrivals (women) from south hindustan wear shalwar kameez. This I have noticed for the past 2-3 years. Prior to that it used to be saris without petticoat. I don`t remember them coming topless, like Mr. gymnosophist mentioned.

Ms. Thoompunkal, think about going back to application development.

An Insight Into the Way Shiv Sena Functions Shiv Sena is the true representative of Hindustani people and Thackray is the best leader Hindus ever had.