The Hindu Right What Hindus are doing to Indian muslims is sad and barbaric, but was forseen and predicted by the wise Muslim leadership of United India in the 30s and 40s. Part of the blame goes to Indian muslims themselves who made a bad choice when they decided to stay back in India and not migrate to Pakistan while the window was open i.e. 1947 to 1951.

The choice for them now... either continue being slaughtered, raped and economically strangulated by the Hindus or stand up and fight the fire with fire. They made a very bad choice in `47 for which they are suffering today; I hope Gujurat has opened their eyes and they`ll make a better choice today so that their children don`t have to go through the same again.

The King’s Gambit: Chapter 4 (The Aviator) Awesome. You guys are doing well.

Blasphemy Law: An Academic Investigation krashid, welcome back doctor sahab.

Arguing with naqshbandi is like banging your head against a wall, or rather bhains ke aagay been bajana.....

Well written and well presented, urstruly, although the premise that muslims can (should?) selectively borrow from now defunct/annulled Shariat of previous Prophet(s) is worng, as pointed out by others.

The Sanjay Dutt Tapes What/who compelled chowk to publish this junk? Also, what is the circulation of Mid-day in Bombay?

Here is the probable conversation, which led to the publication of this article!



CS: Haa

SD: Ji Bhai

CS: Haa aur...

SD: Bas first-class Bhai

CS: Abhi chowk.com ko bola kya?

SD: Ji bola Bhai

CS: Bolna saloo ko abhi mera article top per lagao

SD: Ji Ji Bhai

CS: Nahi to unki garam hava thandi kardonga, Haa

SD: Unko maloom hai bhai

CS: bahut garam hava marta hai yeh log

Shadowlines (Part I) Reply # 60 DRUMZ

[``Sadna: Will u marry me?``]

Who killed your pet mountain goat?

Just because she is dead doesn`t mean that you have to lower your standards.

Shadowlines (Part I) Dear Hindus,

This seems to be a good year for you. Congratulations. I hope you guys get the cow dung patent soon. Traditional wisdom... haha

http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=12247

Indian patents cow urine for medicinal use

Press Trust of India

``A combination of Indian traditional wisdom and modern science has led to a unique US patent No 6,410,059 that was granted to Indian scientists on June 25, 2002,`` an excited Joshi said at a special function in New Delhi.

Kashmir Fatigue Reply # 393 arjun_m

[``fawad79 Reply #: 370

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how does one know if he is a brahmin?????/

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caution..anecdotal: I have heard that brahmin interviewers in tamil nadu pat the candidates on the shoulder after the interview. They are checking for the janehu(thread). If the candidate is wearing one, he is a brahmin..``]

Fawad79, an easier way is to pat the guy`s butt. If you feel the tail tucked in his dhoti (shiny polyester trousers in the US), its a Brahmin!

Kashmir Fatigue Reply # 268 rsridhar

[``In the latter (Kashmir), he has had to make some guarantees from which he is now backing off.``]

Hey wobbly neck, take it easy. The ``guarantees`` were a face saving device for Bagpipe. I hope you didn`t start taking those seriously? Next time you hear some platitudes from Mush, remember that Pakistan conceded nothing even after an outright defeat in `71. If you want concessions, you`ll have to fight for those, ok?

[``Mushy is slowly digging his and his country`s grave. Only, he does not know it. Neither does his benighted nation.``]

Bagpipe is half dead. Dozes off several times a day even in official meetings. He doesn`t even recognize your FM Bhadwant Singh. (Severe short term memory loss!) No one can understand his mumblings. And this wobbly necked South Indian Brahmin thinks Pakistan is a benighted nation. Sridhar, I think Gandhi`s pet goat and Sita ji`s monkey-lover Hanuman both had more brains than you have.

Kashmir Fatigue Reply # 14 temporal

[``tell me this…WHAT CAN WE DO TO PREVENT thousands more murders, rapes and loss of innocent lives in the next twenty years in kashmir?``]

First step in prevention is to clearly identify the aggressor, the occupier, the party that has sanctioned and committed the murders and rapes. And that party is clearly the Hindu Republic of India. Can you start un-doing a zulm if you even lack the courage to identify the zalim?

[``(from the pakistani perspective)``]

Its your own communist/leftist perspective... only a sanctimonious scumbag would assign it to the whole of Pakistan.

[``GOD?…leave her/him alone! God is an uninterested and apolitical party to the resolution of this conflict.``]

Are you talking about Karl Marx? Or is Lenin your God, eh?

[``PAKISTAN’S ARMY?….it has done diddly the past fifty plus years…PLUS…it is busy the fighting the biggest battle of its life…that of self preservation…more on this later…"]

Army should get partial credit for the liberation of 1/3 Kashmir and for the safety from pillage and rape that Kashmiris in Pakistan enjoy as a result of this effort.

[POLITICIANS?…ok let’s move on to another bad joke…]

The only bad joke here is YOU. Politicians got us Pakistan and the protection that our women and children have from the Indian state sanctioned rape and murder is because of them. Hint: search google for ``Gujurat`` and ``carnage``.

[``JEHADIS?…another bad joke…cause of half the mayhem there…"]

Partially agree. But you have to consider that today`s Jehadis, like Salahuddin aka Yousaf Shah contested the Indian electoral farce before picking up the gun to get their God given rights. (not Karl Marx mofo, the real God as in ``In God we trust``)

[``TIME TO GET OUT OF THE BOX…try some new approach......``]

Yeah, let Pakistanis commit suicide to put moral pressure on India. Moral my foot and international pressure my elbow. Have you noticed how ``morally`` UK has acted to sell their $1.6 bil jets to India?

[``their priorities are clean drinking water, health, education``]

Your Holiness, I must thank you for defining the priorities for 140 million hapless idiots aka Pakistanis. Have you considered that freedom, liberty and honor can be on their priority list too, and that Pakistani freedom is meaningless until Kashmiris gain their freedom from India?

[``…will repeat…WHY MUST OUR FUTURE BE MORTGAGED for the sake of irresolvable conflict that can only result in further rapes and murders and deaths?``]

Sorry to interrupt your asinine rhetoric, but I guess that Gujurati Muslims specially Aga Khanis were pretty well off, with clean drinking water, education, flourishing businesses etc. Kashmiris can have all this too, if they choose slavery within the Indian Union instead of freedom. You might say that the price to pay for clean drinking water, i.e. a few thousand burnt and raped every few years is not too high, but hey, Kashmiris and Pakistanis don`t seem to agree with you.

Of Errant Politicians And The Kashmir Cause So this feudal brat has the gall to talk about ``errant politicians``. Shahnawaz, can you say ``Ghulam Mustafa Khar``??

Dude, go back to your fiefdom and enjoy life there. (Your kammi women are waiting for chota Malik to return, with their legs wide open). Quit worrying about Pakistan, its none of your business.

Kashmir Fatigue Reply # 5 temporal

[``...as far as kashmiri conundrum is concerned we are all buck naked indian or pakistani…over there or in the diaspora…of or without faith``]

Indian occupation forces have killed 80000 (30000?) Kashmiris and raped 15000 (5000?) Kashmiri women, with the full support of Indian people and government. What has Pakistan done that comes close to this? temporal, you piece of shyte, when you equate India and Pakistan w.r.t. the Kashmir conflict, you equate the aggressor and the aggrieved, the perpetrator of genocide with the victim of genocide and the rapist with the victim of rape.

Morally equating India and Pakistan regardless of circumstance has been a communist tradition dating back to partition and the riots that followed.

Dissing Ideologies Reply # 216 sattar2

[``For starters … note that “khattam” means “seal” … and not “last” as commonly misunderstood.``]

No sahib, YOU should note that khattam means last/final to all muslims. Ahmadis think that it means seal, which is fine by me. You are entitled to your opinion/interpretation and muslims to theirs.

That you choose to label the muslim consensus of 1500 years as ``common misunderstanding`` shows not just your lack integrity but also shows a trait that Mullahs are known for: bigotry and intolerance of others point of view.

[``In any case … this is a theological issue which does not warrant propaganda and violence against Ahmadis … which mullahs perpetuate …and Imam Urstruly justifies as “an eye for an eye”. ``]

I agree with you. I abhor the discriminatory laws and violence against Ahmadis and other religious minorities in Pakistan. Ahmadis have served Pakistan well from Sir Zafarullah Khan to Gen. Akhter Malik and people of Pakistan must do their best to restore Ahmadis` confidence and faith in the state of Pakistan.

[``Your own statement regarding demise of Mirza Sahib illustrates what I am trying to get across. This is a blatant lie … ``]

Yeah you might be right. But please understand that ridiculing and distorting others beliefs like you did in your original post will be responded to.

Dissing Ideologies Reply # 128 sattar2

[``Sahib, let’s not forget a core Islamic belief … regarding.....``]

Sattar2 sahib, the core Islamic belief that causes you pain and anguish is that Mohammed PBUH was the last prophet of God and there will be no prophets after him. Calling urstruly a Mullah or a pig or a donkey (even though most chowkies may agree) will not change anything.

[``....a two thousand-year old prophet … who will one day descend from the sky on the shoulders of angels … and fight the one-eyed monster riding a giant, fire-breathing donkey …"]

I don`t know the intricacies of Ahmadiyat either, but I too am surprised at the stupidity of its followers who revere an imposter as a Prophet of God, whose predictions, not a single one of them, ever came true, including the infamous one where he claimed that he will take Mohammadi Begum as his 3rd wife..... and who fell into and had his face smeared with his own feces at the time of his death. ``Ghulam Ahmad jo hota khuda ka nabi, to tatti mein gir kar na marta kabhi``

See Sahib, if you diss Jesus, others can diss your Mirza Ghulam, and if you can make fun of others` religious beliefs, others can do that to you too.

Refugees of A Refugee Camp Reply # 65 Layman

[The kannada word `gandu` stands for male and is pronounced `gun-du`, which is quite different from the hindi swear word `gaandu`.]

Other confusing/sound-alike Hindi and Tamil words:

Maamoon: In hindi means maternal uncle. In Tamil means paramour/husband.

Bhanji: In hindi means maternal neice. In Tamil means mistress/wife.

Dissing Ideologies Reply # 46 amina shah

Let me confess, your intellect and your charm is overwhelming. Sindhu has no one to fear as long as it has bright, brave and passionate daughters like you. If what you write is true, then you would be that rare combination of beauty and intelligence that is so hard to find.

PS. Beware of naalaique.

PPS. I hope you are not wasting your time with those buttuglies N. Jamali and Dr. G. Agha.

Dissing Ideologies [“Who exactly are these morons who claim to lead us? Who put them in charge? And more importantly, how is it that they can threaten to wage war on my behalf? “]

Zia, this outright dishonesty. The Pakistani leadership despite being morons is NOT threatening to wage war. They are just promising to respond if attacked. Is that wrong? Pakistani leadership has been restrained and dignified in its responses to the rabid bellicosity of Bagpipe and co. While Bagpipe has threatened a decisive war against Pakistan, we have just “threatened” do defend ourselves. Would a sovereign state do otherwise?

[“The macho, schoolyard-bully act that is apparent on both sides of the border smacks of the patriarchal pit that is sub-continental society.”]

Do you think that your lies will become truths if repeated enough times? The only schoolyard bully act that is apparent is from the Indian side: Bagpipe, Advani and Fernandes are the shoolyardyard bullies. Pakistani response has been calm and measured.

[“This principled stand comes from a state that can technically stone a woman to death for getting herself raped, or hang people for either proclaiming or deriding some mumbo-jumbo in Arabic. Not to mention our own sordid history of the rape and butchery of countless Bengali innocents.”]

This is a pathetic attempt at obfuscation. So Pakistan should alter its stand on Kashmir because of its internal mess and historical misdeeds? Do we have a bigger mess than Indian Gujurat? Have we committed worse crimes than the Indian state sponsored massacres of Muslims and Sikhs? Hmmm….. lets see how India changes its foreign policy because of its own internal problems and past misdoings.

[“And my last exercise in a mosque (Eid prayers 2000) was done in full view of a Kalashinkov wielding gent proclaiming liberation from a poster”]

Zia, I read an NYT article recently which deplored the tendency of some British Pakistanis who presented their moral degeneracy (alcohol, gambling etc.) as a proof of their Westernization and integration into the British society. Whether you pray or not is your own business. Whom are you trying to impress with this disclosure?

[“If saving ``innocent Muslim people`` (Kashmiri or otherwise) is really our intention, consider the following. The infant mortality rate in Pakistan stubbornly clings to the low 80`s (83.3/1,000 births in 2001).”]

Another pathetic attempt at obfuscation. Can you please explain how infant mortality will go down if Pakistan accepts Kashmir as an integral part of India?

[“Ironically enough, this number is remarkably close to the total number of deaths attributed to ``Indian brutalities against the innocent Muslim people of Kashmir`` over more than a decade.”]

So we should condone Indian brutalities because the number of people killed is the same as Pakistani infants who die at child birth?

[“All this for what, you ask? Something called the two-nation theory which, as every upright schoolchild knows, asserts that ``Muslims are entirely separate people from Hindus in every respect... [they] form an ideological community with divine guidance for every field of human life. Fine and dandy, except that Bhayeea was unable to discover an original source, despite much research.]

Instead of asking your Bhayeea, who seems to be as much of an idiot as other members of your family, maybe you should check with Ehsan Jaffery’s widow, who from the burns ward of Ahmedabad civil hospital might tell you that that atleast Gujurati Hindus and Muslims are entirely separate people.

[“Undefeated by the tragedy of 1971, the theory commands much ideological respect in both elitist and ordinary circles.”]

The tragedy of 1971 strengthened rather than defeat the TNT. See, it proved that Bengali Hindus and Bengali Muslims are entirely different people who CANNOT co-exist in the Hindu majority India. Zia, maybe the “elitist and ordinary circles” have more brains than you and your family. Think about it.

[“The slums of Bombay are indistinguishable from those of Karachi. In that at least, the two nations stand united.”]

Jhoot again. Orangi Town, the largest slum in Pakistan, thanks to Akhter Hameed Khan has running water, covered sewerage and paved streets. Closer maybe to some upscale localities of Bombay.

[“Bhayeea used to keep a running total of Kashmiri shaheeds as reported by PTV. The precise number eludes me now, but by last year, it sure seemed like a fair percentage of Kashmiris were enjoying the hospitality of either houris or the Indian army.”]

This is pathetic and below the belt. Seems like you, Bhayeea, Ammi and Abby have nothing better to do than making fun of Kashmiri Shaheeds who are fighting to protect their life and honor. Zia, wouldn’t you, your Abby and your Bhayeea prefer to “enjoy the hospitality of houris” if you were a Kashmiri and your Ammi was one of the 15000 Kashmiri women raped by the Indians? Maybe not. Maybe you would ask the Indian NHRC or a Justice Srikrishna commission to help you out.