Good-Riddance
Dont re do what Shekhar Kapoor & Mehboob Khan & scores of other writer Directors have done better & much earlier 50 yrs back.Exploitation of Higher Caste .
``....Over there, the vultures, crows, and the jackals were busy plucking meat off Dukkhi?s dead body. That was Dukkhi?s reward for all his prayers, his hard work, and his respect and reverence for others.........................``
Perhaps this was better than burning of elements to ashes converting the rich calcium iron,organic matters .The Parsi do the same .May be it was fates sign to the Pundits that he was NOT hindu anymore .Who would be After this ?
Posted by
Bijli
Aug 14, 2002 01:16 pm
Dont re do what Shekhar Kapoor & Mehboob Khan & scores of other writer Directors have done better & much earlier 50 yrs back.Exploitation of Higher Caste .
``....Over there, the vultures, crows, and the jackals were busy plucking meat off Dukkhi?s dead body. That was Dukkhi?s reward for all his prayers, his hard work, and his respect and reverence for others.........................``
Perhaps this was better than burning of elements to ashes converting the rich calcium iron,organic matters .The Parsi do the same .May be it was fates sign to the Pundits that he was NOT hindu anymore .Who would be After this ?
Blasphemy Law: An Academic Investigation
#218
``.....And today, when it comes to the rights of non-conformists (religion-wise), Muslim countries have, with some exceptions, a record that is abominable, outrageous, and patently discriminatory....``
Are you just slandering muslims(i know you claim to be a Muslim)according to NYT,Wall street j,Post & Times or you read Arabic news Papers .
Now that Al Jazeerah has its own voice why your likes are jumping up & down & were quiet when American media including 24 hour CNN blared its propoganda 24 hours the day in the face of 300millions over.. Arab people from Morocco to Saudie .
``abominable, outrageous, and patently discriminatory....``
Are just your ``FEELINGS `` lamazzed into you by persistent coaching to eager wide eyed bangladeshi taking instructions & notes from its Masters.OR YOU HAVE SPECIFIC DIRECT INFORMATIONS or may be propoganda material from RSS Shiv Sainiks of repeated use of trillions & billions killed by Muslims without any regard to accuracy or credibility .I MUCH RATHER GO AFTER CRIMINAL OF PRESENT than excuse them for imaginary victimisation in the past .
THe Americans & west & Capitalism is the Jannah ...The Arabs the ASians are the ``down under`` in the evolutionary scale ..MY FOOT
Inside you are rotting ..look at you reeling from one tiny weakling sick injured (OBL)person ..What is the strength of western capitalism ..none
Yes Abul Kalam is President of India but not president like Bush of America isnt that what you tried to imply in your rhetorics ??
Is there a Hindu citizen in Saudie ? And before you comment on Immigration policy of another foreign & alien to you country ,NO ONE IS OBLIGATED TO LICK THE WESTS FEET IN TERMS OF FOLOWING THE LAMAZE CLASS AS YOU DO .Whatever the policy of a sovereign country is none of foreigners business.
If it mattered so much Saudie would make many CHANDER & Viram P.M. of Saudie .They can always behead him if he tried to do anything against there orders.What does Saudie care if Abul Kalam is muslim or not or even if he is President of India ??????
Posted by
Bijli
Aug 13, 2002 12:28 pm
Sigalph235#218
``.....And today, when it comes to the rights of non-conformists (religion-wise), Muslim countries have, with some exceptions, a record that is abominable, outrageous, and patently discriminatory....``
Are you just slandering muslims(i know you claim to be a Muslim)according to NYT,Wall street j,Post & Times or you read Arabic news Papers .
Now that Al Jazeerah has its own voice why your likes are jumping up & down & were quiet when American media including 24 hour CNN blared its propoganda 24 hours the day in the face of 300millions over.. Arab people from Morocco to Saudie .
``abominable, outrageous, and patently discriminatory....``
Are just your ``FEELINGS `` lamazzed into you by persistent coaching to eager wide eyed bangladeshi taking instructions & notes from its Masters.OR YOU HAVE SPECIFIC DIRECT INFORMATIONS or may be propoganda material from RSS Shiv Sainiks of repeated use of trillions & billions killed by Muslims without any regard to accuracy or credibility .I MUCH RATHER GO AFTER CRIMINAL OF PRESENT than excuse them for imaginary victimisation in the past .
THe Americans & west & Capitalism is the Jannah ...The Arabs the ASians are the ``down under`` in the evolutionary scale ..MY FOOT
Inside you are rotting ..look at you reeling from one tiny weakling sick injured (OBL)person ..What is the strength of western capitalism ..none
Yes Abul Kalam is President of India but not president like Bush of America isnt that what you tried to imply in your rhetorics ??
Is there a Hindu citizen in Saudie ? And before you comment on Immigration policy of another foreign & alien to you country ,NO ONE IS OBLIGATED TO LICK THE WESTS FEET IN TERMS OF FOLOWING THE LAMAZE CLASS AS YOU DO .Whatever the policy of a sovereign country is none of foreigners business.
If it mattered so much Saudie would make many CHANDER & Viram P.M. of Saudie .They can always behead him if he tried to do anything against there orders.What does Saudie care if Abul Kalam is muslim or not or even if he is President of India ??????
The Right To Bigotry
Comes Straight out of the RSS’s ‘Heart Of Darkness’
What is needed is a permanent challenge to the parivar’s activities
The Godhra incident was not the reason of why the rest of Gujarat went up in flames. Nor was it the reason of why Muslims, especially women and children, have been hunted down. Godhra was simply an occasion, the excuse for what has been happening in Gujarat for four months now, just as September 11 was not the reason but the occasion for launching of the ‘international war against terror’.
A slew of reasons have been put forward. But the main reason is just one: State involvement. Godhra was an excuse for butchery binged against Muslims. Gujarat 2002 comes straight out of the RSS’s ‘heart of darkness’. It was RSS go ahead signal. For the first time in the history of Independent India a State openly participated and justified the massacre of innocent law abiding citizens.
Time and again the RSS anti-Muslim agenda in particular and anti-minorities agenda in general is reflected in the findings of several judicial commissions that have probed communal troubles. For instance, the Jaganmohan Reddy Commission probing the Ahmedabad riots of 1969 stated that the ``agitation had received the blessings of the local Bharatiya Jan Sangh workers who did not want to involve themselves directly but suggested the formation of an organisation known as the Hindu Dharma Raksha Samiti... with an old RSS worker as its convenor.``
Similarly, the Jitendra Narain Commission of Inquiry into the Jamshedpur riots of 1979 stated that the ``commission is of the view that the RSS, with its extensive organisation in Jamshedpur and. close links with the Jan Sangh and the Bharatiya Mazdoor Sangh had a positive hand in creating a climate which was most propitious for the outbreak of the communal disturbances.``
The Venugopal Commission on the Hindu-Christian disturbances in Kanyakumari in 1982 said: ``The RSS adopts a militant and aggressive attitude and sets itself up as the champion of what it considers to be the rights of the Hindus against minorities....``
The RSS methodology for provoking communal violence is: rousing communal feelings in the majority community by the propaganda that Muslims are not loyal citizens of this country; deepening the fear in the majority community by a clever propaganda that the Muslim population is increasing and that of the Hindus decreasing; and infiltrating into the administration and developing communal attitudes.
Views such as these are reinforced at the ground level by the other organisations within the Sangh parivar like the VHP and Bajrang Dal, both of which were held responsible by the National Commission for Minorities and other independent fact-finding teams, for the recent riots in Gujarat. It has to be said in their favour, however, that none of these organisations has ever deviated from their views. They are quite clear in their view that India is a Hindu rashtra where the minorities must accept the ‘culture’ of the majority. It is the BJP, which has been hedging its bets. Because of political compulsions, it has always been less abrasive than the other, more outspoken outfits of the parivar.
Prof. Paul R. Brass, a scholar of repute who has done field research in India for decades, explains in his mini-classic Theft of an Idol (1997): ``Riot specialists are specialists in the conversion of incidents into the relations between the communities, in this case between Hindus and Muslims, into occasions for riots. When the time is right for the fomenting of a large-scale disturbance, then students, hooligans, low-caste persons from slums and outlying areas, criminals, and special squads of trained activists such as the members of the Bajrang Dal, will be brought in. According to social scientists, riots need, as a necessary condition, organisations that plot mass killings with governmental support. Which are the organisations that plot mass killings is an open secret.
The Sangh parivar wants the nation to believe that what is happening in Gujarat is nothing but the manifestation of the sentiments of the Hindus. Nothing else can be farther from the truth. The Gujarat carnage was in no way an isolated or spontaneous manifestation of the Hindu sentiments as claimed by Hindutva forces. In reality it was the outcome of the hate Muslim campaign conducted by the Hindutva brigade under various pretexts. Ayodhya movement spearheaded by the RSS cousin VHP had been exploited to spread the hate Muslim campaign throughout the country.
Prior to Gujarat carnage the BJP and VHP leaders through anti-Muslim speeches vitiated the country atmosphere. Throughout its more than 70-year existence, the RSS has been associated with communal riots and virulent anti-Muslim violence. The organisation was founded in 1925. The Sangh Parivar remained largely in the shadows during the struggle for Independence. Since Independence it has sought to overcome that ignominy through one stratagem or the other. The RSS first emerged as a mass organisation during the horrific communal violence that surrounded the 1947 partition of the Indian subcontinent. The principal ideologues of Hindu rashtra, the RSS leader M.S. Golwalkar and V.D. Savarkar (head of a like-minded communal political party, the Hindu Mahasabha) draw direct inspiration from Nazi Germany. ``Germany has ... shown,`` writes Golwalkar, ``how well-nigh impossible it is for races and cultures, having differences going to the root, to be assimilated into one united whole – a good lesson for us in Hindusthan to learn and profit by.``
Time and again it has taken to the streets, or used state power, to demand a total ban on cow slaughter, stop religious conversions, revise history text-books to ensure that they upheld ‘Indian’ culture, emphasised, with just a hint of compulsion, the need to study Sanskrit, astrology, Vedic mathematics, yoga, ayurveda and other ‘Indian’ subjects and, when shove came to push, gone about intimidating the minorities and vandalising their places of worship.
It is an article of faith with the RSS-BJP that India’s religious minorities do not have a legitimate, independent identity. The BJP’s election manifesto (1998) is unambiguous: ``The BJP is committed to the concept of One Nation, One People and One Culture... Our nationalist vision is not merely bound by the geographical or political identity of Bharat but it is referred by our timeless cultural heritage. This cultural heritage which is central to all regions, religions and languages, is a civilizational identity and constitutes the cultural nationalism of India which is the core of Hindutva.`` For the BJP, ``Shri Ram lies at the core of Indian consciousness.``
For the Sangh Parivar, Muslims, Christians and Sikhs have an identity only as some kind of sub-sects of Hindus. As the Union HRD Minister Murli Manohar Joshi put it: ``Hindu Rashtra`` is ``the basic culture of this country. Sangh Parivar says that all Indian Muslims are Mohammadiya Hindus; all Indian Christians are Hindus. They are Hindus who have adopted Christianity and Islam as their religion.``
According to RSS leader Sudarshan: ``If Muslims have to stay in India, they will have to submit to the Indianisation of their religion. It is time they thought of preserving only the essential 10 per cent and did away with the other 90 per cent of their religion incorporating in its stead elements of Indian culture.`` Thus the Sangh Parivar is trying to terrorise the religious minorities. Its threat is directed at the minorities within the majority too, at those who do not practise the sanatana dharma that Hindutva advocates.
This is a menace to India’s pluralism, surely one of its greatest assets. To this day, the life of the estimated 40,000 RSS cells or shakhas revolves around a daily martial arts drill, in which youth, from their early teens on, are schooled in fighting and taught complete obedience to their RSS superiors.
What is needed is a permanent challenge to the parivar’s activities. The Sangh Parivar succeeded in its strategy in Gujarat because it met with no challenge in the cultural or political arena. Whatever anti-Hindutva opposition there was in Gujarat came in the form of old-guard Congress leaders who neither made efforts to consolidate the existing social traditions of Gujarat, nor tried to counter the multi-pronged strategy of the parivar to ‘integrate’ the Hindus. It is probably too late to affect a reversal. But there is still time.
Before it’s too late citizens of this great nation must raise and say enough is enough. Since common Hindus and Common Muslims do not have any problem living peacefully with each other, they should unitedly expose the trap laid by the Hindutva brigade.
Posted by
Bijli
Aug 13, 2002 02:07 am
Gujarat 2002Comes Straight out of the RSS’s ‘Heart Of Darkness’
What is needed is a permanent challenge to the parivar’s activities
The Godhra incident was not the reason of why the rest of Gujarat went up in flames. Nor was it the reason of why Muslims, especially women and children, have been hunted down. Godhra was simply an occasion, the excuse for what has been happening in Gujarat for four months now, just as September 11 was not the reason but the occasion for launching of the ‘international war against terror’.
A slew of reasons have been put forward. But the main reason is just one: State involvement. Godhra was an excuse for butchery binged against Muslims. Gujarat 2002 comes straight out of the RSS’s ‘heart of darkness’. It was RSS go ahead signal. For the first time in the history of Independent India a State openly participated and justified the massacre of innocent law abiding citizens.
Time and again the RSS anti-Muslim agenda in particular and anti-minorities agenda in general is reflected in the findings of several judicial commissions that have probed communal troubles. For instance, the Jaganmohan Reddy Commission probing the Ahmedabad riots of 1969 stated that the ``agitation had received the blessings of the local Bharatiya Jan Sangh workers who did not want to involve themselves directly but suggested the formation of an organisation known as the Hindu Dharma Raksha Samiti... with an old RSS worker as its convenor.``
Similarly, the Jitendra Narain Commission of Inquiry into the Jamshedpur riots of 1979 stated that the ``commission is of the view that the RSS, with its extensive organisation in Jamshedpur and. close links with the Jan Sangh and the Bharatiya Mazdoor Sangh had a positive hand in creating a climate which was most propitious for the outbreak of the communal disturbances.``
The Venugopal Commission on the Hindu-Christian disturbances in Kanyakumari in 1982 said: ``The RSS adopts a militant and aggressive attitude and sets itself up as the champion of what it considers to be the rights of the Hindus against minorities....``
The RSS methodology for provoking communal violence is: rousing communal feelings in the majority community by the propaganda that Muslims are not loyal citizens of this country; deepening the fear in the majority community by a clever propaganda that the Muslim population is increasing and that of the Hindus decreasing; and infiltrating into the administration and developing communal attitudes.
Views such as these are reinforced at the ground level by the other organisations within the Sangh parivar like the VHP and Bajrang Dal, both of which were held responsible by the National Commission for Minorities and other independent fact-finding teams, for the recent riots in Gujarat. It has to be said in their favour, however, that none of these organisations has ever deviated from their views. They are quite clear in their view that India is a Hindu rashtra where the minorities must accept the ‘culture’ of the majority. It is the BJP, which has been hedging its bets. Because of political compulsions, it has always been less abrasive than the other, more outspoken outfits of the parivar.
Prof. Paul R. Brass, a scholar of repute who has done field research in India for decades, explains in his mini-classic Theft of an Idol (1997): ``Riot specialists are specialists in the conversion of incidents into the relations between the communities, in this case between Hindus and Muslims, into occasions for riots. When the time is right for the fomenting of a large-scale disturbance, then students, hooligans, low-caste persons from slums and outlying areas, criminals, and special squads of trained activists such as the members of the Bajrang Dal, will be brought in. According to social scientists, riots need, as a necessary condition, organisations that plot mass killings with governmental support. Which are the organisations that plot mass killings is an open secret.
The Sangh parivar wants the nation to believe that what is happening in Gujarat is nothing but the manifestation of the sentiments of the Hindus. Nothing else can be farther from the truth. The Gujarat carnage was in no way an isolated or spontaneous manifestation of the Hindu sentiments as claimed by Hindutva forces. In reality it was the outcome of the hate Muslim campaign conducted by the Hindutva brigade under various pretexts. Ayodhya movement spearheaded by the RSS cousin VHP had been exploited to spread the hate Muslim campaign throughout the country.
Prior to Gujarat carnage the BJP and VHP leaders through anti-Muslim speeches vitiated the country atmosphere. Throughout its more than 70-year existence, the RSS has been associated with communal riots and virulent anti-Muslim violence. The organisation was founded in 1925. The Sangh Parivar remained largely in the shadows during the struggle for Independence. Since Independence it has sought to overcome that ignominy through one stratagem or the other. The RSS first emerged as a mass organisation during the horrific communal violence that surrounded the 1947 partition of the Indian subcontinent. The principal ideologues of Hindu rashtra, the RSS leader M.S. Golwalkar and V.D. Savarkar (head of a like-minded communal political party, the Hindu Mahasabha) draw direct inspiration from Nazi Germany. ``Germany has ... shown,`` writes Golwalkar, ``how well-nigh impossible it is for races and cultures, having differences going to the root, to be assimilated into one united whole – a good lesson for us in Hindusthan to learn and profit by.``
Time and again it has taken to the streets, or used state power, to demand a total ban on cow slaughter, stop religious conversions, revise history text-books to ensure that they upheld ‘Indian’ culture, emphasised, with just a hint of compulsion, the need to study Sanskrit, astrology, Vedic mathematics, yoga, ayurveda and other ‘Indian’ subjects and, when shove came to push, gone about intimidating the minorities and vandalising their places of worship.
It is an article of faith with the RSS-BJP that India’s religious minorities do not have a legitimate, independent identity. The BJP’s election manifesto (1998) is unambiguous: ``The BJP is committed to the concept of One Nation, One People and One Culture... Our nationalist vision is not merely bound by the geographical or political identity of Bharat but it is referred by our timeless cultural heritage. This cultural heritage which is central to all regions, religions and languages, is a civilizational identity and constitutes the cultural nationalism of India which is the core of Hindutva.`` For the BJP, ``Shri Ram lies at the core of Indian consciousness.``
For the Sangh Parivar, Muslims, Christians and Sikhs have an identity only as some kind of sub-sects of Hindus. As the Union HRD Minister Murli Manohar Joshi put it: ``Hindu Rashtra`` is ``the basic culture of this country. Sangh Parivar says that all Indian Muslims are Mohammadiya Hindus; all Indian Christians are Hindus. They are Hindus who have adopted Christianity and Islam as their religion.``
According to RSS leader Sudarshan: ``If Muslims have to stay in India, they will have to submit to the Indianisation of their religion. It is time they thought of preserving only the essential 10 per cent and did away with the other 90 per cent of their religion incorporating in its stead elements of Indian culture.`` Thus the Sangh Parivar is trying to terrorise the religious minorities. Its threat is directed at the minorities within the majority too, at those who do not practise the sanatana dharma that Hindutva advocates.
This is a menace to India’s pluralism, surely one of its greatest assets. To this day, the life of the estimated 40,000 RSS cells or shakhas revolves around a daily martial arts drill, in which youth, from their early teens on, are schooled in fighting and taught complete obedience to their RSS superiors.
What is needed is a permanent challenge to the parivar’s activities. The Sangh Parivar succeeded in its strategy in Gujarat because it met with no challenge in the cultural or political arena. Whatever anti-Hindutva opposition there was in Gujarat came in the form of old-guard Congress leaders who neither made efforts to consolidate the existing social traditions of Gujarat, nor tried to counter the multi-pronged strategy of the parivar to ‘integrate’ the Hindus. It is probably too late to affect a reversal. But there is still time.
Before it’s too late citizens of this great nation must raise and say enough is enough. Since common Hindus and Common Muslims do not have any problem living peacefully with each other, they should unitedly expose the trap laid by the Hindutva brigade.
The Right To Bigotry
Translate rhetoric into action, NHRC chief tells PM
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Translate rhetoric into action, NHRC chief tells PM
By Our Staff Reporter
BANGALORE AUG. 4. The Chairman of the National Human Rights Commission (NHRC), J.S. Verma, said here today that the Prime Minister, Atal Behari Vajpayee, must translate his rhetoric into action, and bring back religious tolerance in the country.
Speaking at a round table on combating communal hatred, at the National Law School of India University, he recalled Mr. Vajpayee`s earlier statement that he believed in the Hinduism of tolerance and respect for all, a religion that prioritised humanism. ``If things had changed...,`` the Prime Minister had then said, ``I would be far away from it.``
Posted by
Bijli
Aug 6, 2002 12:32 pm
http://www.hinduonnet.com/stories/2002080504230100.htmTranslate rhetoric into action, NHRC chief tells PM
http://www.hinduonnet.com/stories/2002080504230100.htm
Translate rhetoric into action, NHRC chief tells PM
By Our Staff Reporter
BANGALORE AUG. 4. The Chairman of the National Human Rights Commission (NHRC), J.S. Verma, said here today that the Prime Minister, Atal Behari Vajpayee, must translate his rhetoric into action, and bring back religious tolerance in the country.
Speaking at a round table on combating communal hatred, at the National Law School of India University, he recalled Mr. Vajpayee`s earlier statement that he believed in the Hinduism of tolerance and respect for all, a religion that prioritised humanism. ``If things had changed...,`` the Prime Minister had then said, ``I would be far away from it.``
The Lonely Road
anNy
samina
these are some pakistani writers/poets i like: zaibunissa hamidullah...she won some huge european literature award for her `bull and the she devil` many years ago i believe when english writng was practically non existent in pakistan...maki kureishi, this woman is brilliant samina...adrian a. husain, kaleem omar, talat abbasi, salman tarik qureshi, tahira naqvi (has translated manto and ismat chughtai) moniza alvi, (look up her `i would like to be Dot in a painting by Miro..its bohat pretty) sara suleri (very popular but i dont like the way she writes)aamer hussein..ahmed ali is very very good....im reading his twlight in delhi aaj kal which is a/c to the book, the first major muslim novel in english to have been written in the sub continent, was broadcast on all india radio and has been translated in urdu, french, spanish and portugese
have fun :0)
Posted by
Bijli
Jul 16, 2002 01:43 am
Jul-15-02 1:46:37 EST Reply #: 42 anNy
samina
these are some pakistani writers/poets i like: zaibunissa hamidullah...she won some huge european literature award for her `bull and the she devil` many years ago i believe when english writng was practically non existent in pakistan...maki kureishi, this woman is brilliant samina...adrian a. husain, kaleem omar, talat abbasi, salman tarik qureshi, tahira naqvi (has translated manto and ismat chughtai) moniza alvi, (look up her `i would like to be Dot in a painting by Miro..its bohat pretty) sara suleri (very popular but i dont like the way she writes)aamer hussein..ahmed ali is very very good....im reading his twlight in delhi aaj kal which is a/c to the book, the first major muslim novel in english to have been written in the sub continent, was broadcast on all india radio and has been translated in urdu, french, spanish and portugese
have fun :0)
How Not to Reform Universities
Besides you r parrot of British Education system ,Mr.Hoodbhoy to think a rigid narrow defenition of University tsk tsk tsk .There are many on T.V. Only University of Culinary Arts (i.e. learning to be BAWARCHI) here in U.S.A.also for BONSAI ,CERAMICS,POKEMAN,&BUNS LIKE STEEL .
Your AVATAR India has thousands of Schools in rural india where Schools exisist only in the ACCOUNTS Office of Govt.Capital which issues Pay Checks to thousands of Non existent teachers teaching in Non existent Building To Non existent invisible students ......NOTHING NEW IN INDIAN SUBCONTINENT ISSE PAAR OR USSE PAAR .Do you think its any wonder India & Pakistan share 67 & 70 th position DOWN the list of most corrupt nations .
But why should we not be better than our neighbours ,YOU ASK?
University alone will not make anyone BETTER.Education might .
Posted by
Bijli
Jul 11, 2002 04:33 am
Not everyone need to, nor like to learn Physics.Besides you r parrot of British Education system ,Mr.Hoodbhoy to think a rigid narrow defenition of University tsk tsk tsk .There are many on T.V. Only University of Culinary Arts (i.e. learning to be BAWARCHI) here in U.S.A.also for BONSAI ,CERAMICS,POKEMAN,&BUNS LIKE STEEL .
Your AVATAR India has thousands of Schools in rural india where Schools exisist only in the ACCOUNTS Office of Govt.Capital which issues Pay Checks to thousands of Non existent teachers teaching in Non existent Building To Non existent invisible students ......NOTHING NEW IN INDIAN SUBCONTINENT ISSE PAAR OR USSE PAAR .Do you think its any wonder India & Pakistan share 67 & 70 th position DOWN the list of most corrupt nations .
But why should we not be better than our neighbours ,YOU ASK?
University alone will not make anyone BETTER.Education might .
How Not to Reform Universities
Besides you r parrot of British Education system ,Mr.Hoodbhoy to think a rigid narrow defenition of University tsk tsk tsk .There are many on T.V. Only University of Culinary Arts (i.e. learning to be BAWARCHI) here in U.S.A.also for BONSAI ,CERAMICS,POKEMAN,&BUNS LIKE STEEL .
Your AVATAR India has thousands of Schools in rural india where Schools exisist only in the ACCOUNTS Office of Govt.Capital which issues Pay Checks to thousands of Non existent teachers teaching in Non existent Building To Non existent invisible students ......NOTHING NEW IN INDIAN SUBCONTINENT ISSE PAAR OR USSE PAAR .Do you think its any wonder India & Pakistan share 67 & 70 th position DOWN the list of most corrupt nations .
But why should we not be better than our neighbours ,YOU ASK?
University alone will not make anyone BETTER.Education might .
Posted by
Bijli
Jul 11, 2002 04:33 am
Not everyone need to, nor like to learn Physics.Besides you r parrot of British Education system ,Mr.Hoodbhoy to think a rigid narrow defenition of University tsk tsk tsk .There are many on T.V. Only University of Culinary Arts (i.e. learning to be BAWARCHI) here in U.S.A.also for BONSAI ,CERAMICS,POKEMAN,&BUNS LIKE STEEL .
Your AVATAR India has thousands of Schools in rural india where Schools exisist only in the ACCOUNTS Office of Govt.Capital which issues Pay Checks to thousands of Non existent teachers teaching in Non existent Building To Non existent invisible students ......NOTHING NEW IN INDIAN SUBCONTINENT ISSE PAAR OR USSE PAAR .Do you think its any wonder India & Pakistan share 67 & 70 th position DOWN the list of most corrupt nations .
But why should we not be better than our neighbours ,YOU ASK?
University alone will not make anyone BETTER.Education might .
Of Evil Zionists and the Great Satan
U.S. deported Pakistanis In Secret Airlift
Diplomatic Issues Cited; No Terror Ties Found
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Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, July 10, 2002; Page A01
NEW YORK -- In a highly unusual airlift involving hundreds of U.S. immigration officers, the Justice Department secretly chartered a Portuguese jet to deport 131 Pakistani detainees who had been held for months at INS detention facilities around the country.
A majority of the detainees, a Pakistani official said, had been arrested under a Justice Department program to locate and apprehend immigrants who have ignored previous deportation orders and who came under scrutiny after the Sept. 11 attacks. None of the detainees appeared to have links to terrorism, U.S. officials said.
U.S. and Pakistani officials arranged the airlift as a way to resolve contentious diplomatic issues that have arisen between the two countries since the Justice Department began detaining immigrants in the United States. U.S. authorities have arrested about 1,200 people, most of Arab and South Asian descent, on immigration violations and in connection with the terrorism investigation. According to the latest government figures, 74 foreign nationals are still being held on immigration charges related to the probe.
None of the detainees taken into custody after Sept. 11 has been charged with a terrorism-related crime. The detentions and subsequent deportations have been conducted in secret, drawing criticism from civil liberties advocates. Those critics say the government has illegally targeted Muslims and disrupted the lives of hundreds of people who have nothing to do with terrorism and who have built lives in the United States.
Most of the detainees, who were airlifted out of Louisiana on June 26, boarded the plane quietly and willingly, but about 40 of them were ``extremely unhappy`` about being deported, according to Imran Ali, a Pakistani consular officer. One briefly resisted by lying down on the tarmac, and another had to be carried onto the plane, he said. Seconds before the plane was about to taxi, a man whose wife had obtained a court order preventing his deportation was removed from the plane.
The flight touched down 20 hours later in an equally dramatic scene, according to Ali, who helped plan the operation and was aboard. About 50 detainees, now shorn of the loose-fitting handcuffs they had worn throughout the trip, dropped to their knees in the 120-degree heat and pressed their foreheads to the broiling tarmac to give thanks to Allah.
``It was very moving. They were thanking God that they were free,`` said Ali. ``Most of them were very disappointed to have to leave the United States. Many were crying. But after being in detention for eight or nine months, they were also happy to be back in Pakistan.``
Citing security concerns, the government did not release any information about the flight to the detainees or to their families, although all were allowed to make phone calls before departure.
The flight was originally scheduled to carry 170 detainees, but 39 obtained court rulings blocking their deportation, Ali said.
According to figures released by the Justice Department last year, 300 of those detained in the United States were from Pakistan, more than from any other country. At the urging of top Pakistani officials, including President Pervez Musharraf, the U.S. government accelerated the removal of Pakistani detainees earlier this year, deporting them with escorts a few at a time on dozens of commercial flights. But that process came to a standstill in May for administrative reasons, according to Ali.
At the same time, U.S. authorities had begun to arrest hundreds of people who had ignored deportation orders under a new ``Absconder Apprehension Initiative.``
Planning for the charter flight began in early May, as the Pakistani ambassador, Maleeha Lodhi, pressed U.S. officials to resume the removal process and also to expedite the repatriation of Pakistani nationals detained under the absconder initiative.
``The Pakistani government was extremely cooperative in helping us ensure that these individuals were repatriated with safety, speed and dignity,`` said Karen Kraushaar, a spokeswoman for the Immigration and Naturalization Service.
According to U.S. officials, the operation, which involved the coordination of INS offices throughout the country, was kept quiet for security reasons. They said the government chose to use a charter flight because of concerns that a U.S. government jet would be a potential target. After accepting bids, the government chose to use a Lockheed L-1011 jet offered by a Portuguese company, Air Luxor, for $342,000. Officials involved in the planning estimated that the cost of the entire operation surpassed $500,000.
The detainees were escorted to an airport in Louisiana by INS agents from 22 cities across the United States, including Baltimore. They numbered 130 men and 1 woman, officials said. According to Ali, 26 were detainees arrested on immigration violations after Sept 11; 35 had been held on criminal charges, including rape, larceny, burglary and cocaine possession; and most of the remainder were absconders.
Of the absconders, Ali said, many had been in the United States for years and were married with children. The deportations, he said, ruptured their lives and those of their families. Ali said he believes those immigrants should be granted amnesty. ``On the human scale, it`s a tragedy. But we were left with a Hobbesian choice: Either grant them their freedom or let them languish in jail,`` he said.
The flight departed with 30 unarmed INS officers guarding the detainees in shifts. Dressed in civilian clothes, the INS officers stood in the aisles at all times, Ali said, one at every fifth row. The detainees were given specially blessed meals and were allowed to watch three movies. Two nurses dispensed pain-relief medicine and monitored the detainees.
Ali said he spoke with each detainee during the flight. Their main concerns, he said, were that they had been singled out because they were Muslims, and that they would be taken into custody again when they arrived in Pakistan. None was, he said. Instead, the plane pulled up at a remote location at the Islamabad airport. The detainees were questioned briefly, then released.
© 2002 The Washington Post Compan
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Bijli
Jul 11, 2002 04:33 am
Its no news that INS violations is any Less than as common as many alien there are in immigrant country U.S.PPl from alloover Prosperous european countries U.K.,Ireland ,Germany ,France (green Card Movie) are deported for attempting to stay back inU.S.U.S. deported Pakistanis In Secret Airlift
Diplomatic Issues Cited; No Terror Ties Found
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_____Q & A_____
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, July 10, 2002; Page A01
NEW YORK -- In a highly unusual airlift involving hundreds of U.S. immigration officers, the Justice Department secretly chartered a Portuguese jet to deport 131 Pakistani detainees who had been held for months at INS detention facilities around the country.
A majority of the detainees, a Pakistani official said, had been arrested under a Justice Department program to locate and apprehend immigrants who have ignored previous deportation orders and who came under scrutiny after the Sept. 11 attacks. None of the detainees appeared to have links to terrorism, U.S. officials said.
U.S. and Pakistani officials arranged the airlift as a way to resolve contentious diplomatic issues that have arisen between the two countries since the Justice Department began detaining immigrants in the United States. U.S. authorities have arrested about 1,200 people, most of Arab and South Asian descent, on immigration violations and in connection with the terrorism investigation. According to the latest government figures, 74 foreign nationals are still being held on immigration charges related to the probe.
None of the detainees taken into custody after Sept. 11 has been charged with a terrorism-related crime. The detentions and subsequent deportations have been conducted in secret, drawing criticism from civil liberties advocates. Those critics say the government has illegally targeted Muslims and disrupted the lives of hundreds of people who have nothing to do with terrorism and who have built lives in the United States.
Most of the detainees, who were airlifted out of Louisiana on June 26, boarded the plane quietly and willingly, but about 40 of them were ``extremely unhappy`` about being deported, according to Imran Ali, a Pakistani consular officer. One briefly resisted by lying down on the tarmac, and another had to be carried onto the plane, he said. Seconds before the plane was about to taxi, a man whose wife had obtained a court order preventing his deportation was removed from the plane.
The flight touched down 20 hours later in an equally dramatic scene, according to Ali, who helped plan the operation and was aboard. About 50 detainees, now shorn of the loose-fitting handcuffs they had worn throughout the trip, dropped to their knees in the 120-degree heat and pressed their foreheads to the broiling tarmac to give thanks to Allah.
``It was very moving. They were thanking God that they were free,`` said Ali. ``Most of them were very disappointed to have to leave the United States. Many were crying. But after being in detention for eight or nine months, they were also happy to be back in Pakistan.``
Citing security concerns, the government did not release any information about the flight to the detainees or to their families, although all were allowed to make phone calls before departure.
The flight was originally scheduled to carry 170 detainees, but 39 obtained court rulings blocking their deportation, Ali said.
According to figures released by the Justice Department last year, 300 of those detained in the United States were from Pakistan, more than from any other country. At the urging of top Pakistani officials, including President Pervez Musharraf, the U.S. government accelerated the removal of Pakistani detainees earlier this year, deporting them with escorts a few at a time on dozens of commercial flights. But that process came to a standstill in May for administrative reasons, according to Ali.
At the same time, U.S. authorities had begun to arrest hundreds of people who had ignored deportation orders under a new ``Absconder Apprehension Initiative.``
Planning for the charter flight began in early May, as the Pakistani ambassador, Maleeha Lodhi, pressed U.S. officials to resume the removal process and also to expedite the repatriation of Pakistani nationals detained under the absconder initiative.
``The Pakistani government was extremely cooperative in helping us ensure that these individuals were repatriated with safety, speed and dignity,`` said Karen Kraushaar, a spokeswoman for the Immigration and Naturalization Service.
According to U.S. officials, the operation, which involved the coordination of INS offices throughout the country, was kept quiet for security reasons. They said the government chose to use a charter flight because of concerns that a U.S. government jet would be a potential target. After accepting bids, the government chose to use a Lockheed L-1011 jet offered by a Portuguese company, Air Luxor, for $342,000. Officials involved in the planning estimated that the cost of the entire operation surpassed $500,000.
The detainees were escorted to an airport in Louisiana by INS agents from 22 cities across the United States, including Baltimore. They numbered 130 men and 1 woman, officials said. According to Ali, 26 were detainees arrested on immigration violations after Sept 11; 35 had been held on criminal charges, including rape, larceny, burglary and cocaine possession; and most of the remainder were absconders.
Of the absconders, Ali said, many had been in the United States for years and were married with children. The deportations, he said, ruptured their lives and those of their families. Ali said he believes those immigrants should be granted amnesty. ``On the human scale, it`s a tragedy. But we were left with a Hobbesian choice: Either grant them their freedom or let them languish in jail,`` he said.
The flight departed with 30 unarmed INS officers guarding the detainees in shifts. Dressed in civilian clothes, the INS officers stood in the aisles at all times, Ali said, one at every fifth row. The detainees were given specially blessed meals and were allowed to watch three movies. Two nurses dispensed pain-relief medicine and monitored the detainees.
Ali said he spoke with each detainee during the flight. Their main concerns, he said, were that they had been singled out because they were Muslims, and that they would be taken into custody again when they arrived in Pakistan. None was, he said. Instead, the plane pulled up at a remote location at the Islamabad airport. The detainees were questioned briefly, then released.
© 2002 The Washington Post Compan
Coney Al Jazeera
July 10, 2002
COMMENTARY
Muslims` Plague of Hatred
Campaigns against Jews and the U.S. mold millions.
By DENNIS PRAGER, Dennis Prager hosts a nationally syndicated radio talk show based in Los Angeles.
According to news reports, the administration, the FBI and every other relevant official agency cannot yet determine what to call Hesham Mohamed Hadayet`s lethal attack on El Al Airlines customers at Los Angeles International Airport last week. They are not sure whether Hadayet`s rampage was a hate crime, terrorism or an act of personal anger. They even claim not to be sure about his motives.
The American government surely is easily baffled. An extremist Egyptian Muslim chooses the Fourth of July to kill Americans and Israelis who are flying from an American airport on Israel`s national airline--and the official line is that we can`t call this terrorism or even identify the murderer`s motives?
This country`s officials are in a state of denial and confusion that is almost as frightening as the terrorism they are supposed to be fighting. The FBI says that unless Hadayet is linked to a terrorist organization, he did not commit an act of terror. But if that is now Washington`s criterion for defining terrorism, Timothy McVeigh did not commit an act of terrorism. He wasn`t linked to a terrorist group.
This absurd definition is worthy of the Keystone Kops, not the Federal Bureau of Investigation. Of course, we need to know whether this man was linked to a terrorist organization, but the absence of such a link in no way lessens the fact that this was terrorism.
By confining our definition of terrorism to acts committed by those with links to terrorist organizations, we may be ignoring the most frightening aspect of Islamic terror: There are many individual Muslim extremists without any links to any terror organizations who are prepared to slaughter Americans and Jews.
Only Allah knows how many Hadayets there are. But based upon what we humans can know, millions of Muslims, especially Arab Muslims, have been raised with a hatred of Jews and Americans whose intensity is unique in the world.
A former employee of Hadayet, Abdul Zahab, 36, a Syrian immigrant, said Hadayet told him that ``the Israelis tried to destroy the Egyptian nation and the Egyptian population by sending prostitutes with AIDS to Egypt.``
Hadayet learned this grotesque libel from the Egyptian government`s controlled media, which, like other Arab media, routinely spread such lies about Israel and Jews. Millions of Arabs and other Muslims believe that Jews kill non-Jewish children to use their blood for Jewish holidays and that 4,000 Jews avoided working at the World Trade Center on Sept. 11 because they knew about the attack in advance. No wonder Hitler`s ``Mein Kampf`` is a best-seller in the Arab world and the anti-Semitic forgery ``The Protocols of the Elders of Zion`` is widely reprinted and read there.
And this hate is taught here, too. The Washington Post and the New York Times have reported on Islamic schools in the U.S. that teach hatred for the U.S. and Jews.
That is why this debate about whether to call Hadayet`s act terror or merely a hate crime is not only foolish, it is suicidal. If Al Qaeda is destroyed tomorrow, it will hardly mean the end of Islamic terrorism. There are so many Muslims filled with a diabolical hatred of Israel, the U.S. and Jews that no terror organization is needed for Americans and Jews to be murdered regularly.
Were it not for the fact that Israeli security people were armed and spectacularly capable, Hadayet would probably have killed and maimed dozens of innocent people. How many Hadayets must there be before the U.S. calls their actions terror and awakens to the dismal reality that a frightening number of such terrorists are created daily?
This is not a call to hate Muslims. It is a call to acknowledge Muslim hate. This hatred, the most virulent in the world today, created both Sept. 11 and Hesham Hadayet. Denying this serves no one, and it breeds contempt for those entrusted with protecting us from Islamic terror.
P
Posted by
Bijli
Jul 11, 2002 04:33 am
Any more proof ,who hates whom???????????July 10, 2002
COMMENTARY
Muslims` Plague of Hatred
Campaigns against Jews and the U.S. mold millions.
By DENNIS PRAGER, Dennis Prager hosts a nationally syndicated radio talk show based in Los Angeles.
According to news reports, the administration, the FBI and every other relevant official agency cannot yet determine what to call Hesham Mohamed Hadayet`s lethal attack on El Al Airlines customers at Los Angeles International Airport last week. They are not sure whether Hadayet`s rampage was a hate crime, terrorism or an act of personal anger. They even claim not to be sure about his motives.
The American government surely is easily baffled. An extremist Egyptian Muslim chooses the Fourth of July to kill Americans and Israelis who are flying from an American airport on Israel`s national airline--and the official line is that we can`t call this terrorism or even identify the murderer`s motives?
This country`s officials are in a state of denial and confusion that is almost as frightening as the terrorism they are supposed to be fighting. The FBI says that unless Hadayet is linked to a terrorist organization, he did not commit an act of terror. But if that is now Washington`s criterion for defining terrorism, Timothy McVeigh did not commit an act of terrorism. He wasn`t linked to a terrorist group.
This absurd definition is worthy of the Keystone Kops, not the Federal Bureau of Investigation. Of course, we need to know whether this man was linked to a terrorist organization, but the absence of such a link in no way lessens the fact that this was terrorism.
By confining our definition of terrorism to acts committed by those with links to terrorist organizations, we may be ignoring the most frightening aspect of Islamic terror: There are many individual Muslim extremists without any links to any terror organizations who are prepared to slaughter Americans and Jews.
Only Allah knows how many Hadayets there are. But based upon what we humans can know, millions of Muslims, especially Arab Muslims, have been raised with a hatred of Jews and Americans whose intensity is unique in the world.
A former employee of Hadayet, Abdul Zahab, 36, a Syrian immigrant, said Hadayet told him that ``the Israelis tried to destroy the Egyptian nation and the Egyptian population by sending prostitutes with AIDS to Egypt.``
Hadayet learned this grotesque libel from the Egyptian government`s controlled media, which, like other Arab media, routinely spread such lies about Israel and Jews. Millions of Arabs and other Muslims believe that Jews kill non-Jewish children to use their blood for Jewish holidays and that 4,000 Jews avoided working at the World Trade Center on Sept. 11 because they knew about the attack in advance. No wonder Hitler`s ``Mein Kampf`` is a best-seller in the Arab world and the anti-Semitic forgery ``The Protocols of the Elders of Zion`` is widely reprinted and read there.
And this hate is taught here, too. The Washington Post and the New York Times have reported on Islamic schools in the U.S. that teach hatred for the U.S. and Jews.
That is why this debate about whether to call Hadayet`s act terror or merely a hate crime is not only foolish, it is suicidal. If Al Qaeda is destroyed tomorrow, it will hardly mean the end of Islamic terrorism. There are so many Muslims filled with a diabolical hatred of Israel, the U.S. and Jews that no terror organization is needed for Americans and Jews to be murdered regularly.
Were it not for the fact that Israeli security people were armed and spectacularly capable, Hadayet would probably have killed and maimed dozens of innocent people. How many Hadayets must there be before the U.S. calls their actions terror and awakens to the dismal reality that a frightening number of such terrorists are created daily?
This is not a call to hate Muslims. It is a call to acknowledge Muslim hate. This hatred, the most virulent in the world today, created both Sept. 11 and Hesham Hadayet. Denying this serves no one, and it breeds contempt for those entrusted with protecting us from Islamic terror.
P
Shadowlines (Part I)
Indians tried to Bluff the Times Correspondent Perry ,a young in 30ish somewhat new inexperienced.Indians wanted proof as if i would reveal my source .
Now i can help those uninformed ones by this gold standard litmus test of mental sanity & senility .Age old ....INTERVIEW test !
MORON CAN ANY HUMAN BE PREPARED FOR NUCLEAR WAR ????????????
http://www.hindustantimes.com/nonfram/170602/dLNAT40.asp
Vajpayee says India was prepared for nuclear war:
Report
Reuters
New Delhi, June 17
Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee was quoted in a newspaper interview published on Monday as saying the nation was close to war and prepared even for a nuclear conflict with Pakistan some weeks ago. Senior government officials said the interview with the Dainik Jagran newspaper took place on Saturday but could not confirm the report was accurate. They refused to elaborate.
``The nation was prepared for war,`` Vajpayee was quoted as saying in the Hindi newspaper. ``Our forces on the border were awaiting orders. Their morale was also high.
``India was prepared for an atomic war but we were confident that our neighbour would not commit such an act of madness,`` he added.
He said, however, that tensions had eased following Pakistan`s commitment, conveyed through United States Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage, to put a permanent halt to incursions by militants into Kashmir.
``If Pakistan had not accepted the demand to stop cross-border infiltration and the United States had not conveyed to us Pakistan`s guarantee to do so, then nothing could have stopped a war,`` Vajpayee was quoted as saying.
He said tensions had eased following Armitage`s visit to the two nations in early June, but that India needed to see more proof of Pakistan`s intentions.
``There are clear indications that the situation on the border is improving,`` the newspaper quoted Vajpayee as saying. ``But without proper verification, India is not going to take Musharraf`s statement about stopping infiltration at face value.
``India is not going to accept any Pakistani statement until infiltration is completely stopped and simultaneously terrorist training camps in Pakistani-occupied Kashmir and elsewhere in Pakistan are destroyed.``
Tensions between the India and Pakistan escalated after an attack on Indian parliament in December, which New Delhi blamed on Pakistan. The two sides now have a million soldiers posted along their heavily-militarised and mined border.
Home Minister LK Advani said on Sunday that some 70 camps for training Kashmiri militants were in existence in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir and elsewhere in that country.
``We have won a diplomatic victory over Pakistan and the entire nation is satisfied with it,`` Vajpayee was quoted as saying. ``Nations around the world have categorically stated that whatever is happening in Kashmir is not a freedom struggle but terrorism in its worst form.``
But he added: ``There is no possibility of talks between the two countries until Pakistan stops infiltration permanently and ends terrorism.
``There is no question of any further steps till India is absolutely sure that cross-border infiltration has stopped.``
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Posted by
Bijli
Jul 1, 2002 03:52 am
Indians tried to Bluff the Times Correspondent Perry ,a young in 30ish somewhat new inexperienced.Indians wanted proof as if i would reveal my source .
Now i can help those uninformed ones by this gold standard litmus test of mental sanity & senility .Age old ....INTERVIEW test !
MORON CAN ANY HUMAN BE PREPARED FOR NUCLEAR WAR ????????????
http://www.hindustantimes.com/nonfram/170602/dLNAT40.asp
Vajpayee says India was prepared for nuclear war:
Report
Reuters
New Delhi, June 17
Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee was quoted in a newspaper interview published on Monday as saying the nation was close to war and prepared even for a nuclear conflict with Pakistan some weeks ago. Senior government officials said the interview with the Dainik Jagran newspaper took place on Saturday but could not confirm the report was accurate. They refused to elaborate.
``The nation was prepared for war,`` Vajpayee was quoted as saying in the Hindi newspaper. ``Our forces on the border were awaiting orders. Their morale was also high.
``India was prepared for an atomic war but we were confident that our neighbour would not commit such an act of madness,`` he added.
He said, however, that tensions had eased following Pakistan`s commitment, conveyed through United States Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage, to put a permanent halt to incursions by militants into Kashmir.
``If Pakistan had not accepted the demand to stop cross-border infiltration and the United States had not conveyed to us Pakistan`s guarantee to do so, then nothing could have stopped a war,`` Vajpayee was quoted as saying.
He said tensions had eased following Armitage`s visit to the two nations in early June, but that India needed to see more proof of Pakistan`s intentions.
``There are clear indications that the situation on the border is improving,`` the newspaper quoted Vajpayee as saying. ``But without proper verification, India is not going to take Musharraf`s statement about stopping infiltration at face value.
``India is not going to accept any Pakistani statement until infiltration is completely stopped and simultaneously terrorist training camps in Pakistani-occupied Kashmir and elsewhere in Pakistan are destroyed.``
Tensions between the India and Pakistan escalated after an attack on Indian parliament in December, which New Delhi blamed on Pakistan. The two sides now have a million soldiers posted along their heavily-militarised and mined border.
Home Minister LK Advani said on Sunday that some 70 camps for training Kashmiri militants were in existence in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir and elsewhere in that country.
``We have won a diplomatic victory over Pakistan and the entire nation is satisfied with it,`` Vajpayee was quoted as saying. ``Nations around the world have categorically stated that whatever is happening in Kashmir is not a freedom struggle but terrorism in its worst form.``
But he added: ``There is no possibility of talks between the two countries until Pakistan stops infiltration permanently and ends terrorism.
``There is no question of any further steps till India is absolutely sure that cross-border infiltration has stopped.``
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Kashmir Fatigue
#78
ANA
I hate to be the bearer of Sad news,but your yonder year classical beuty `made of wax` Queen allah ko pyari ho gaye ....Rehan Temporal aur Chowk ke romeo dekh te rah gaye lekin kise ke nahi, Allah ke pyari hogaye
Uthe janaza jo sar hamara
Qasam hai tumko na dena Kandha :( :(
`They called her pari chehra Naseem`
A tribute to actress Naseem Bano
Lata Khubchandani
One of the most beautiful figures to ever grace the Indian screen passed away June 18. Naseem Banu leaves behind a son (Sultan Ahmed) and daughter (Saira Banu).
A tribute to the actress from her close ones:
Begum Para (wife of Nasir Khan, brother of Dilip Kumar): I met her quite often after Saira (Banu) and Dilip Kumar married. She was a genuinely beautiful person --- as beautiful to look at as she was in person. She was a gentle lady.
I never got to work with her as she was before my time. We met occasionally after my husband passed away.
She was so lovely to look at that she was referred to as pari chehra Naseem (angel-faced Naseem). She worked quite a bit in Sohrab Modi`s films. Her grace, beauty and gentleness marked her out as a person.
Saira was very attached to her mother --- she will be shattered because she has looked after her mother with great affection. Recent features
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Sitara Devi (dancer): She was the beauty queen of her time, a superstar of her days. I worked with her. We are of the same age. I was in Ranjit Studios and she was working in Minerva Studios. She worked in films like Pukar, Basanti. We would meet often at her place. I remember when Saira was studying abroad, Naseem and I met often.
I have known her since 1935. When I first met Naseem we were 18 years old. I do not think anyone knows her better than I. None of the others were around then except Ashok Kumar. She worked with him, too.
Susheela Rani Patel (Wife of Baburao Patel): She was one of the most beautiful women I ever set my eyes on. She was very loving, affectionate, dignified. And I do not think she had any rival.
When my husband passed away (Baburao Patel), she was the sweetest face I saw. She had come to pay her condolences when his body was lying in the house still.
She was a wonderful woman in all respects. I met her last at an party she had thrown two years ago. Since then she had not been too well. We had a common doctor. Her death came as a sudden shock. I could do nothing today except cry. Saira has been extremely attached to her mother. We have been very close to Yusufbhai.
I remember Naseem in the good old days when [director] Mehboob Khan used to throw parties. Naseem always attended them. Saira was very young at the time. She was a very sweet, gentle person.
Naushad: I have known Naseem for a long time. I have just returned from there (Naseem Bano`s funeral), in fact. When I entered the field Naseem had appeared as a heroine in Sohrab Modi`s Pukar.
In the publicity of her films it used to be said pari chehra Naseem Banu. She was so beautiful that she was referred to as a fairy. She was considered a beauty of her time. In that film she had sung one song, which goes zindagi ka saaz bhi kya saaz hai, baj raha hai aur be-awaaz hai(life is like a strange musical instrument, it keeps playing while no one can hear it).
She had sung this song then, but its meaning has become clear now. when she was lying in her coffin silent today.
I had scored the music for two of her films Anokhi Ada and Chandni Raat. It was made by Naseem`s husband Ehsaan. Later they parted ways.
Saira is his daughter. She was a very fine artiste. Husnwale husn ka anjaam dekh, dubte sooraj ko waqte shaam dekh (When the sun sets, the light it had brought with it goes away, doesn`t it?)
Posted by
Bijli
Jun 20, 2002 11:37 am
#78
ANA
I hate to be the bearer of Sad news,but your yonder year classical beuty `made of wax` Queen allah ko pyari ho gaye ....Rehan Temporal aur Chowk ke romeo dekh te rah gaye lekin kise ke nahi, Allah ke pyari hogaye
Uthe janaza jo sar hamara
Qasam hai tumko na dena Kandha :( :(
`They called her pari chehra Naseem`
A tribute to actress Naseem Bano
Lata Khubchandani
One of the most beautiful figures to ever grace the Indian screen passed away June 18. Naseem Banu leaves behind a son (Sultan Ahmed) and daughter (Saira Banu).
A tribute to the actress from her close ones:
Begum Para (wife of Nasir Khan, brother of Dilip Kumar): I met her quite often after Saira (Banu) and Dilip Kumar married. She was a genuinely beautiful person --- as beautiful to look at as she was in person. She was a gentle lady.
I never got to work with her as she was before my time. We met occasionally after my husband passed away.
She was so lovely to look at that she was referred to as pari chehra Naseem (angel-faced Naseem). She worked quite a bit in Sohrab Modi`s films. Her grace, beauty and gentleness marked her out as a person.
Saira was very attached to her mother --- she will be shattered because she has looked after her mother with great affection. Recent features
Recession hits Bollywood
Naseer stars with Connery
Kher`s moment in the sun
Here comes Esha Deol
On the sets of Aitbaar
Yash Chopra ready to roll
Buzz on Bombay Dreams
Watch out for ESIF
MORE
Sitara Devi (dancer): She was the beauty queen of her time, a superstar of her days. I worked with her. We are of the same age. I was in Ranjit Studios and she was working in Minerva Studios. She worked in films like Pukar, Basanti. We would meet often at her place. I remember when Saira was studying abroad, Naseem and I met often.
I have known her since 1935. When I first met Naseem we were 18 years old. I do not think anyone knows her better than I. None of the others were around then except Ashok Kumar. She worked with him, too.
Susheela Rani Patel (Wife of Baburao Patel): She was one of the most beautiful women I ever set my eyes on. She was very loving, affectionate, dignified. And I do not think she had any rival.
When my husband passed away (Baburao Patel), she was the sweetest face I saw. She had come to pay her condolences when his body was lying in the house still.
She was a wonderful woman in all respects. I met her last at an party she had thrown two years ago. Since then she had not been too well. We had a common doctor. Her death came as a sudden shock. I could do nothing today except cry. Saira has been extremely attached to her mother. We have been very close to Yusufbhai.
I remember Naseem in the good old days when [director] Mehboob Khan used to throw parties. Naseem always attended them. Saira was very young at the time. She was a very sweet, gentle person.
Naushad: I have known Naseem for a long time. I have just returned from there (Naseem Bano`s funeral), in fact. When I entered the field Naseem had appeared as a heroine in Sohrab Modi`s Pukar.
In the publicity of her films it used to be said pari chehra Naseem Banu. She was so beautiful that she was referred to as a fairy. She was considered a beauty of her time. In that film she had sung one song, which goes zindagi ka saaz bhi kya saaz hai, baj raha hai aur be-awaaz hai(life is like a strange musical instrument, it keeps playing while no one can hear it).
She had sung this song then, but its meaning has become clear now. when she was lying in her coffin silent today.
I had scored the music for two of her films Anokhi Ada and Chandni Raat. It was made by Naseem`s husband Ehsaan. Later they parted ways.
Saira is his daughter. She was a very fine artiste. Husnwale husn ka anjaam dekh, dubte sooraj ko waqte shaam dekh (When the sun sets, the light it had brought with it goes away, doesn`t it?)
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