I am Ashamed and I Apologize
shailender
Re: Impostor aka Rdesikan
You are not atheist as you claim because you could not bear the thought God Ram as an imperfect human being like rest of us. You just love God Krishna`s childhood adventures ..don`t you. As far as your modification to my original text is concerned, I do not agree to that. Problem is not with God or thought of it. If someone needs to strengthen his/her will by believing in God he/she can do it. They can picture it as Ram or Christ or does not picture it at all. The problem lies with billions of stupid muslim people who need to refer a 7th century text to distinguish between right and wrong. Unfortunately formal education of years cannot do it for these people. Strange it is but it it`s true. You see it everywhere. Same goes for moron Hindus who cannot free themselves from the burnt-in thoughts of their minds that all the characters in the great storybooks existed. Fools, these texts were written by some human like you and me. God does not write stories or pick one human and tell him to go and tell everyone else what he thinks. If there is God, he has lot more to think about then lives of humans.
I sincerely believe that if you take out religion from Indo-Pak politics (forget the bases of creation of Pak etc. and move on), South asia would be lot more progressive and peaceful place to live in.
Religion stalls progress. Religion is bad. Think about it.
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Rdesikan
Shailender is not my alter Ego.
To me it quirt possiblr be YLH fertile imagination sitting dping nothing in hot humid Lahorie heat wave commonly known as `loooh`
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Bijli
Jun 10, 2002 02:04 am
#: 80shailender
Re: Impostor aka Rdesikan
You are not atheist as you claim because you could not bear the thought God Ram as an imperfect human being like rest of us. You just love God Krishna`s childhood adventures ..don`t you. As far as your modification to my original text is concerned, I do not agree to that. Problem is not with God or thought of it. If someone needs to strengthen his/her will by believing in God he/she can do it. They can picture it as Ram or Christ or does not picture it at all. The problem lies with billions of stupid muslim people who need to refer a 7th century text to distinguish between right and wrong. Unfortunately formal education of years cannot do it for these people. Strange it is but it it`s true. You see it everywhere. Same goes for moron Hindus who cannot free themselves from the burnt-in thoughts of their minds that all the characters in the great storybooks existed. Fools, these texts were written by some human like you and me. God does not write stories or pick one human and tell him to go and tell everyone else what he thinks. If there is God, he has lot more to think about then lives of humans.
I sincerely believe that if you take out religion from Indo-Pak politics (forget the bases of creation of Pak etc. and move on), South asia would be lot more progressive and peaceful place to live in.
Religion stalls progress. Religion is bad. Think about it.
..............................
Rdesikan
Shailender is not my alter Ego.
To me it quirt possiblr be YLH fertile imagination sitting dping nothing in hot humid Lahorie heat wave commonly known as `loooh`
Lighting The Nuclear Fire
ITS UNFAIR ,TOTALLY WRONG & MISSCARRIAGE OF SCIENCE WITH WISHFULL GOOD INTENTION GONE HAYWIRE...JUST LIKE DELUDED IGNORENCE OF FEMINISM.MEN ARE BEING PUNISHED FOR BEING MEN .
Bad Boys Take Drugs
Drugging children for gender differences could be harmful
by Steve Edelman
Far more males than females are diagnosed with ADHD. Is this a result of diagnostic bias?
There is no denying that boys are different than girls. Does this mean that boys should be routinely given drugs like Ritalin? The fact that they seem less interested in disruptive behavior when drugged does not necessarily mean that they are being more attentive. An understanding of the gender differences in male and female brains can help in the search for alternative approaches to dealing with innate gender differences in behavior.
Our brains have evolved little in terms of instincts and natural function. As Thomas Hartmann documents in Hunters in a Farmer`s World, there was an original division of labor between men and women that is maintained by biology in spite of modern attempts to make males and females equal. Men were the hunters. They explored, they moved, their creative efforts focused on obtaining animal protein for the entire tribe. Women rarely went hunting. They stayed at home (cave, tent, hut, etc.). Women might wander within earshot of their child`s cries in order to gather vegetable material for food, medicine and clothing (the ability to pay attention to two or more things - gathering while not concentrating so much on this activity that they forget to remain aware of the activities of their child). A quote from Project Lab expresses it well:
``Hunters have a unique way of concentrating that one author (Hartmann) calls `global concentration.` While concentrating, every sense is turned on and is rapidly processing information (e.g., sight, sound, smell, feel, intuition, etc.). It is nearly impossible to sneak up on a hunter and they are usually extraordinarily observant of their environment. In the average classroom, however, this characteristic becomes a liability when minor distractions constantly tug at their consciousness and compete with the teacher and/or the textbook for attention.``
How many times have men gotten into trouble when their wives or significant others told them something while they were watching a football game? Most men who get involved with what they are watching on television have been on the receiving end of complaints from wives, who feel that their husbands are being inattentive to their needs.
The best help is to develop a method to redirect attention. Men and women need to work out an understanding of their attention differences. This is significantly related to a major problem for boys in school.
Boys in school can`t pay attention if there are distractions. They may be thinking about a girl, or planning what they want to do after school. The teacher (usually a female in elementary school classes) can become concerned when a boy`s attention seems to have drifted.
It may help when the teacher consistently uses phrases such as ``This is important class,`` or claps her hands for emphasis to get attention. One of the best teachers I know (a male, third grade teacher) uses several tricks to gain the attention of his class, including a rather loud air horn that he keeps on his desk.
Another important difference between boys and girls that makes it more likely for boys to be diagnosed with ADHD or ADD is developmental. Most educational psychologists and sophisticated teachers know that boys, as a group, learn to read at a slower pace than girls. Boys do not catch up to the reading level of girls until the sixth or seventh grade. Requests to read at a higher level can cause inattentive and disruptive behavior. (Girls, as a group, are much slower than boys at learning math and math concepts.)
Traumatic brain injuries on the left side where most people process language demonstrate that there are important differences between male and female brains. An injury to the language processing area of the brain is usually much more catastrophic for males than it is for females. Failing to take into account gender differences in the way the brain functions could lead to gender bias in the diagnosis of ADD/ADHD.
A fourth important difference also increases the tendency for more boys to be diagnosed with ADD/ADHD than girls: The social maturity factor. Many trained professionals say that boys are slower to develop social skills. Girls in school frequently make negative comments about the social maturity of the boys in their grade. This may explain why girls tend to form relationships with older boys. A lack of social maturity is part of the diagnostic framework of identifying children with ADD/ADHD, and once again, it is women (as teachers) who do most of the referring.
What, then, is the purpose of claiming gender bias against males in the identification of ADD/ADHD? First, we must get past the step of bashing women or men. Then educators in the US urgently need to reevaluate their basis for the all too frequent diagnosis of ADD/ADHD. Drugs should be the last choice for problem solving, rather than the first.
Steve Edelman served as president of the North Carolina School Psychology Association and works as a school psychologist for Cumberland County Schools, Fayetteville, North Carolina. In addition to his experience in American schools, Mr. Edelman studied the education system in Japan under a grant from the Fulbright Memorial Fund. He has been married for 26 years and has a daughter.
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Posted by
Bijli
Jun 1, 2002 05:53 pm
ITS UNFAIR ,TOTALLY WRONG & MISSCARRIAGE OF SCIENCE WITH WISHFULL GOOD INTENTION GONE HAYWIRE...JUST LIKE DELUDED IGNORENCE OF FEMINISM.MEN ARE BEING PUNISHED FOR BEING MEN .
Bad Boys Take Drugs
Drugging children for gender differences could be harmful
by Steve Edelman
Far more males than females are diagnosed with ADHD. Is this a result of diagnostic bias?
There is no denying that boys are different than girls. Does this mean that boys should be routinely given drugs like Ritalin? The fact that they seem less interested in disruptive behavior when drugged does not necessarily mean that they are being more attentive. An understanding of the gender differences in male and female brains can help in the search for alternative approaches to dealing with innate gender differences in behavior.
Our brains have evolved little in terms of instincts and natural function. As Thomas Hartmann documents in Hunters in a Farmer`s World, there was an original division of labor between men and women that is maintained by biology in spite of modern attempts to make males and females equal. Men were the hunters. They explored, they moved, their creative efforts focused on obtaining animal protein for the entire tribe. Women rarely went hunting. They stayed at home (cave, tent, hut, etc.). Women might wander within earshot of their child`s cries in order to gather vegetable material for food, medicine and clothing (the ability to pay attention to two or more things - gathering while not concentrating so much on this activity that they forget to remain aware of the activities of their child). A quote from Project Lab expresses it well:
``Hunters have a unique way of concentrating that one author (Hartmann) calls `global concentration.` While concentrating, every sense is turned on and is rapidly processing information (e.g., sight, sound, smell, feel, intuition, etc.). It is nearly impossible to sneak up on a hunter and they are usually extraordinarily observant of their environment. In the average classroom, however, this characteristic becomes a liability when minor distractions constantly tug at their consciousness and compete with the teacher and/or the textbook for attention.``
How many times have men gotten into trouble when their wives or significant others told them something while they were watching a football game? Most men who get involved with what they are watching on television have been on the receiving end of complaints from wives, who feel that their husbands are being inattentive to their needs.
The best help is to develop a method to redirect attention. Men and women need to work out an understanding of their attention differences. This is significantly related to a major problem for boys in school.
Boys in school can`t pay attention if there are distractions. They may be thinking about a girl, or planning what they want to do after school. The teacher (usually a female in elementary school classes) can become concerned when a boy`s attention seems to have drifted.
It may help when the teacher consistently uses phrases such as ``This is important class,`` or claps her hands for emphasis to get attention. One of the best teachers I know (a male, third grade teacher) uses several tricks to gain the attention of his class, including a rather loud air horn that he keeps on his desk.
Another important difference between boys and girls that makes it more likely for boys to be diagnosed with ADHD or ADD is developmental. Most educational psychologists and sophisticated teachers know that boys, as a group, learn to read at a slower pace than girls. Boys do not catch up to the reading level of girls until the sixth or seventh grade. Requests to read at a higher level can cause inattentive and disruptive behavior. (Girls, as a group, are much slower than boys at learning math and math concepts.)
Traumatic brain injuries on the left side where most people process language demonstrate that there are important differences between male and female brains. An injury to the language processing area of the brain is usually much more catastrophic for males than it is for females. Failing to take into account gender differences in the way the brain functions could lead to gender bias in the diagnosis of ADD/ADHD.
A fourth important difference also increases the tendency for more boys to be diagnosed with ADD/ADHD than girls: The social maturity factor. Many trained professionals say that boys are slower to develop social skills. Girls in school frequently make negative comments about the social maturity of the boys in their grade. This may explain why girls tend to form relationships with older boys. A lack of social maturity is part of the diagnostic framework of identifying children with ADD/ADHD, and once again, it is women (as teachers) who do most of the referring.
What, then, is the purpose of claiming gender bias against males in the identification of ADD/ADHD? First, we must get past the step of bashing women or men. Then educators in the US urgently need to reevaluate their basis for the all too frequent diagnosis of ADD/ADHD. Drugs should be the last choice for problem solving, rather than the first.
Steve Edelman served as president of the North Carolina School Psychology Association and works as a school psychologist for Cumberland County Schools, Fayetteville, North Carolina. In addition to his experience in American schools, Mr. Edelman studied the education system in Japan under a grant from the Fulbright Memorial Fund. He has been married for 26 years and has a daughter.
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The Perfect Murder
Oh PLeeezzzz enough protest ``dont interefere in our internal affairs.
As ASHCROFT the Pink Panther Inspector CRUZO says ``in case of 9-11 tremendous tragedy ,all business become our business ``
What was Indian reporters employed by News Week & WSJ Tunku & Sanjeev Srinivasan was doing INSIDE pakistan spying for India when India is so touchy about PRIVACY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.telegraphindia.com/national.htm
MUSHARRAF HITS DELHI WHERE IT HURTS
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FROM SEEMA GUHA New Delhi, May 27: It was Pervez Musharraf?s turn to raise the ante against India.
After hearing Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee blow hot and cold all through last week, the Pakistan President this evening delivered a hard-hitting speech where he questioned India?s treatment of its minorities, carrying the war of words right into the Indian heartland.
Not content to confine his attack to Kashmir, Musharraf, well aware that his speech was being closely watched around the globe, said Pakistan had noted atrocities by Hindu fundamentalists against Muslims, Christians, Sikhs, and scheduled castes.
The reference to Gujarat was also meant to politely tell the rest of the world that India, despite railing against Pakistan and Islamic fundamentalism, had its own brand of religious bigots. At the same time, the address was meant to dispel doubts of Kashmiris about Pakistan?s support for their ?liberation struggle? and shore the flagging morale of those in the Valley who have turned to Islamabad for support in the fight against Delhi.
Describing Abdul Gani Lone as a martyr, Musharraf denied that Pakistan was behind the assassination of the moderate Hurriyat leader last week. Though Delhi had not officially blamed Islamabad, merely saying that militants had killed the voice of moderation in the Valley, privately there was no hesitation in saying that Pakistan?s Inter-Services Intelligence was behind the murder.
Indian intelligence agencies said the plan to kill Lone was hatched at a meeting of the Islamic Jehadi Council, in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir, just 10 days before the murder. The meeting was attended by ISI officers in Muzaffarabad, Indian agencies said. They believe Lone?s statements asking foreign militants to leave Kashmir was seen as a dangerous step by the ISI.
The agencies said the ISI was scared, especially after the Dubai meeting last month with Abdul Kayoom that the track two diplomacy, encouraged by the US think-tanks and Kashmiris living in the UK and the US, could prove dangerous to Islamabad?s interest. There was the genuine fear that given the mood against violence in Kashmir, Lone could upset Pakistan?s calculations. The fear of free and fair elections in Kashmir was also another factor that went against Lone, the agencies said.
Musharraf today asked India why Lone?s killers were not apprehended. He said there were enough police, security forces and soldiers stationed in Kashmir. How did they escape when the shootout took place in front of a crowd of onlookers, he asked.
The President left the question unanswered to raise doubts among Kashmiris about the identity of Lone?s murderers. This line could be later taken up by the hardliners to rouse people?s anger against Delhi.
For some time after September 11, and especially since the attacks on the Jammu and Kashmir Assembly and the Indian Parliament and India?s aggressive diplomacy, Musharraf had been on the defensive. At best, Islamabad had been content to deny India?s charges that it was abetting terrorism.
Today, the general shed all pretence of a defensive strategy and counter-attacked. He spoke of India?s human rights record in Kashmir and said Delhi should allow rights groups and other international organisations to investigate. The government has repeatedly refused requests from organisations like Amnesty International to send teams to Kashmir, saying India had an active human rights commission, an independent judiciary and a vibrant press, all of which acted as watchdogs.
Today?s speech was also meant to embarrass the Vajpayee government. By remarking on India?s treatment of its Muslim population, Musharraf hit Delhi where it hurt most. In the past, whenever Islamabad had tried to play the Islamic card, Delhi countered it by saying that India had the world?s second-largest population of Muslims, next only to Indonesia, living side by side with Hindus and Christia
Posted by
Bijli
May 29, 2002 12:49 am
Musharaf doesnt owe indian muslim nor indian muslim owe him BUT just as terrorism ,humanrights ,rascism is everybodies business as human ,HE HAS FULL RIGHT TO SPEAK IN HIS LAND, ON HIS OWN TIME & TO HIS LISTENERS.Oh PLeeezzzz enough protest ``dont interefere in our internal affairs.
As ASHCROFT the Pink Panther Inspector CRUZO says ``in case of 9-11 tremendous tragedy ,all business become our business ``
What was Indian reporters employed by News Week & WSJ Tunku & Sanjeev Srinivasan was doing INSIDE pakistan spying for India when India is so touchy about PRIVACY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.telegraphindia.com/national.htm
MUSHARRAF HITS DELHI WHERE IT HURTS
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FROM SEEMA GUHA New Delhi, May 27: It was Pervez Musharraf?s turn to raise the ante against India.
After hearing Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee blow hot and cold all through last week, the Pakistan President this evening delivered a hard-hitting speech where he questioned India?s treatment of its minorities, carrying the war of words right into the Indian heartland.
Not content to confine his attack to Kashmir, Musharraf, well aware that his speech was being closely watched around the globe, said Pakistan had noted atrocities by Hindu fundamentalists against Muslims, Christians, Sikhs, and scheduled castes.
The reference to Gujarat was also meant to politely tell the rest of the world that India, despite railing against Pakistan and Islamic fundamentalism, had its own brand of religious bigots. At the same time, the address was meant to dispel doubts of Kashmiris about Pakistan?s support for their ?liberation struggle? and shore the flagging morale of those in the Valley who have turned to Islamabad for support in the fight against Delhi.
Describing Abdul Gani Lone as a martyr, Musharraf denied that Pakistan was behind the assassination of the moderate Hurriyat leader last week. Though Delhi had not officially blamed Islamabad, merely saying that militants had killed the voice of moderation in the Valley, privately there was no hesitation in saying that Pakistan?s Inter-Services Intelligence was behind the murder.
Indian intelligence agencies said the plan to kill Lone was hatched at a meeting of the Islamic Jehadi Council, in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir, just 10 days before the murder. The meeting was attended by ISI officers in Muzaffarabad, Indian agencies said. They believe Lone?s statements asking foreign militants to leave Kashmir was seen as a dangerous step by the ISI.
The agencies said the ISI was scared, especially after the Dubai meeting last month with Abdul Kayoom that the track two diplomacy, encouraged by the US think-tanks and Kashmiris living in the UK and the US, could prove dangerous to Islamabad?s interest. There was the genuine fear that given the mood against violence in Kashmir, Lone could upset Pakistan?s calculations. The fear of free and fair elections in Kashmir was also another factor that went against Lone, the agencies said.
Musharraf today asked India why Lone?s killers were not apprehended. He said there were enough police, security forces and soldiers stationed in Kashmir. How did they escape when the shootout took place in front of a crowd of onlookers, he asked.
The President left the question unanswered to raise doubts among Kashmiris about the identity of Lone?s murderers. This line could be later taken up by the hardliners to rouse people?s anger against Delhi.
For some time after September 11, and especially since the attacks on the Jammu and Kashmir Assembly and the Indian Parliament and India?s aggressive diplomacy, Musharraf had been on the defensive. At best, Islamabad had been content to deny India?s charges that it was abetting terrorism.
Today, the general shed all pretence of a defensive strategy and counter-attacked. He spoke of India?s human rights record in Kashmir and said Delhi should allow rights groups and other international organisations to investigate. The government has repeatedly refused requests from organisations like Amnesty International to send teams to Kashmir, saying India had an active human rights commission, an independent judiciary and a vibrant press, all of which acted as watchdogs.
Today?s speech was also meant to embarrass the Vajpayee government. By remarking on India?s treatment of its Muslim population, Musharraf hit Delhi where it hurt most. In the past, whenever Islamabad had tried to play the Islamic card, Delhi countered it by saying that India had the world?s second-largest population of Muslims, next only to Indonesia, living side by side with Hindus and Christia
Lighting The Nuclear Fire
In URDU it is said Choote(ANTS) ke marne ke din jab aate haine ,tou usse Par(WINGS) nikal aate haine aur Sheher ke our Bhagte hai .
INDIA IS VERY CARELESS, CALLOUS& CAVALLIER ABOUT THE NUCLEAR WAR.THEY ARE FOOLS WHO RUSH IN WHERE ANGELS FEAR TO TREAD
May be its time for India to get her death wish since there has been so much talk & activities about DEATH & Mayheim starting with GujjRIOT by GUJJURATS
Real meaning of Vinash kale vipareeth buddhi!
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One is under the influence of `wrong` intelligence
just before destruction.
Or to paraphrase:
cause of destruction is wrong intelligence.
. ``vipareet`` means ``wrong``,
``anti`` .. et
So what Sanskrit is Indias language & This saying is from Vedas in Sanskrit ....
in URDU it is said Choote ke marne ke din jab aate haine tou usse Par nikal aate haine aur Sheher ke our Bhagte hai
May be its time for India to get her death wish since there has been so much talk & activities about Death & Mayheim starting with GujjRIOT by GUJJURATS
Pak. test-fires Ghauri missile
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Pak. test-fires Ghauri missile
A Pakistan Television image showing the launching of the Ghauri missile on Saturday. ? AP
ISLAMABAD MAY 25. Pakistan successfully test-fired a nuclear-capable missile today.
``Pakistan today carried out a successful test-fire of its indigenously developed medium range surface-to-surface ballistic missile Hatf-V (Ghauri),`` an official statement said.
``This was the third test of the Ghauri missile system. According to the data collected from the test, all the design parameters have been successfully validated. The Ghauri can carry warheads with great accuracy,`` the statement said, adding that Pakistan`s last missile tests were in April 1999.
The Pakistan President, Pervez Musharraf, ``has congratulated the scientists, engineers and all others involved with the programme on their outstanding success, which is a source of pride for the nation.
``The series of tests are a part of the research and development of Pakistan`s indigenous missile programme, which is an essential element of Pakistan`s policy of maintaining minimum deterrence in the interest of our security.
``It demonstrates Pakistan`s determination to defend itself, strengthen national security and consolidate strategic balance in the region,`` the statement said.
The missile was fired in northern Pakistan, a security officer said. ``The Hatf-V can be tipped with any warhead. Any ballistic missile can carry a nuclear warhead.``
The missiles have a range of between 1,500 and 2,000 km.
http://www.newindpress.com/Newsitems.asp?ID=IEL20020525151310&Title=B+R+E+A+K+I+N+G++++N+E+W+S&rLink=0
Pak has developed two types of N-arms: Report
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PTI
NEW YORK: Pakistan has developed two types of nuclear arms while hundreds of scientists are labouring to design nuclear missiles in the Kahuta Khan Research Laboratories, a media report here said on Saturday.
``One is a smaller weapon that can be delivered by an aircraft. The other is bigger. One that was tested can be easily deployed on our Ghauri missiles,`` Abdul Qadeer Khan, director of the Kahuta plant and the man regarded as the architect of the country`s nuclear and missiles programmes, told The New York Times.
American intelligence agencies found ``disturbing evidence that the Pakistani were preparing their arsenals for possible deployment,`` according to a recent paper by Bruce O. Riedel, a former member of the Clinton administration`s National Security Council.
Despite claims by Pakistan that the late version of Ghauri missile was indigenously designed, the paper quoted experts and senior retired Pakistani officials as saying that Islamabad in fact obtained assistance from North Korea.
Under heavy pressure from Washington not to sell missiles to Pakistan, China instead reportedly financed North Korea to develop Pakistan`s missile programme, the daily said.
North Korea, in turn, agreed to provide Pakistan with components from its Nodong missile line, based on an old Soviet Scud. Pakistan was also assisted in its nuclear and missile programmes by Iran and Syria, it added.
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Posted by
Bijli
May 26, 2002 03:56 pm
Prof. you must have read prof.OPPEINHEIMER quote fromSanskrit about the Atomic Explosion as viewed by him.......In URDU it is said Choote(ANTS) ke marne ke din jab aate haine ,tou usse Par(WINGS) nikal aate haine aur Sheher ke our Bhagte hai .
INDIA IS VERY CARELESS, CALLOUS& CAVALLIER ABOUT THE NUCLEAR WAR.THEY ARE FOOLS WHO RUSH IN WHERE ANGELS FEAR TO TREAD
May be its time for India to get her death wish since there has been so much talk & activities about DEATH & Mayheim starting with GujjRIOT by GUJJURATS
Real meaning of Vinash kale vipareeth buddhi!
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
One is under the influence of `wrong` intelligence
just before destruction.
Or to paraphrase:
cause of destruction is wrong intelligence.
. ``vipareet`` means ``wrong``,
``anti`` .. et
So what Sanskrit is Indias language & This saying is from Vedas in Sanskrit ....
in URDU it is said Choote ke marne ke din jab aate haine tou usse Par nikal aate haine aur Sheher ke our Bhagte hai
May be its time for India to get her death wish since there has been so much talk & activities about Death & Mayheim starting with GujjRIOT by GUJJURATS
Pak. test-fires Ghauri missile
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Fhttp://www.hinduonnet.com/stories/2002052603660100.htm
Pak. test-fires Ghauri missile
A Pakistan Television image showing the launching of the Ghauri missile on Saturday. ? AP
ISLAMABAD MAY 25. Pakistan successfully test-fired a nuclear-capable missile today.
``Pakistan today carried out a successful test-fire of its indigenously developed medium range surface-to-surface ballistic missile Hatf-V (Ghauri),`` an official statement said.
``This was the third test of the Ghauri missile system. According to the data collected from the test, all the design parameters have been successfully validated. The Ghauri can carry warheads with great accuracy,`` the statement said, adding that Pakistan`s last missile tests were in April 1999.
The Pakistan President, Pervez Musharraf, ``has congratulated the scientists, engineers and all others involved with the programme on their outstanding success, which is a source of pride for the nation.
``The series of tests are a part of the research and development of Pakistan`s indigenous missile programme, which is an essential element of Pakistan`s policy of maintaining minimum deterrence in the interest of our security.
``It demonstrates Pakistan`s determination to defend itself, strengthen national security and consolidate strategic balance in the region,`` the statement said.
The missile was fired in northern Pakistan, a security officer said. ``The Hatf-V can be tipped with any warhead. Any ballistic missile can carry a nuclear warhead.``
The missiles have a range of between 1,500 and 2,000 km.
http://www.newindpress.com/Newsitems.asp?ID=IEL20020525151310&Title=B+R+E+A+K+I+N+G++++N+E+W+S&rLink=0
Pak has developed two types of N-arms: Report
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PTI
NEW YORK: Pakistan has developed two types of nuclear arms while hundreds of scientists are labouring to design nuclear missiles in the Kahuta Khan Research Laboratories, a media report here said on Saturday.
``One is a smaller weapon that can be delivered by an aircraft. The other is bigger. One that was tested can be easily deployed on our Ghauri missiles,`` Abdul Qadeer Khan, director of the Kahuta plant and the man regarded as the architect of the country`s nuclear and missiles programmes, told The New York Times.
American intelligence agencies found ``disturbing evidence that the Pakistani were preparing their arsenals for possible deployment,`` according to a recent paper by Bruce O. Riedel, a former member of the Clinton administration`s National Security Council.
Despite claims by Pakistan that the late version of Ghauri missile was indigenously designed, the paper quoted experts and senior retired Pakistani officials as saying that Islamabad in fact obtained assistance from North Korea.
Under heavy pressure from Washington not to sell missiles to Pakistan, China instead reportedly financed North Korea to develop Pakistan`s missile programme, the daily said.
North Korea, in turn, agreed to provide Pakistan with components from its Nodong missile line, based on an old Soviet Scud. Pakistan was also assisted in its nuclear and missile programmes by Iran and Syria, it added.
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Of Violent Birth and Peaceful Death
scout
sadna #126,
why are desis such morons? that`s it, i`ve decided i`m marrying a civilized gora and change my future
progeny`s genes.
Scout + Ted Kezynczky =bombshell baby sets fire to his house
Scout+ Timothy McVeigh =Baby Joins Hells Angel
Scout + Albino (gora nevertheles)= Baby Albino
Scout + Joe Butafuccus = Baby adopted by Amy Fischer in Jail
Scout+Bill Maher = Baby of Unemployed Talk Show host
Scout + Pierce Brosnan = Baby IRA terrorist
If i could i would show the face of the prospective babys appearence as on Conan`s Show .....
Posted by
Bijli
May 25, 2002 01:11 pm
#: 148scout
sadna #126,
why are desis such morons? that`s it, i`ve decided i`m marrying a civilized gora and change my future
progeny`s genes.
Scout + Ted Kezynczky =bombshell baby sets fire to his house
Scout+ Timothy McVeigh =Baby Joins Hells Angel
Scout + Albino (gora nevertheles)= Baby Albino
Scout + Joe Butafuccus = Baby adopted by Amy Fischer in Jail
Scout+Bill Maher = Baby of Unemployed Talk Show host
Scout + Pierce Brosnan = Baby IRA terrorist
If i could i would show the face of the prospective babys appearence as on Conan`s Show .....
The Last Crusade
``Forgiveness Bond`` Muslims are to be forgiven for what?2000 dead lakhs homeless thousand [properties burnt still muslim must opologise because Might is Right
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RETURN HOME WITH FORGIVENESS BOND
FROM ASHIS CHAKRABARTI Vadodara, May 17: You can?t slaughter cows in the village. You won?t harass Hindu girls. You can?t bring in any new Muslim families. You can?t interfere in quarrels among Hindus. You won?t do any anti-national activity.
These are some of the conditions of the mafipatra (agreement of apology) on which Muslims can return to Kadwal village, about 90 km from Vadodara city. Above all, they have to apologise for taking out a rally in the village and raising ?provocative? slogans.
Unable to carry on at the relief camp at Chhoteudepur, the subdivisional headquarters, 13 of the 60-odd Muslim families have signed the ?agreement? and returned to the village. Their homes, though, are still without roofs and bear the blackened scars of the fire that razed them on the night of March 2.
?We had to make them sign the agreement to put it on record because they have lost our trust,? Bharatsinh Pravinsinnh, young scion of the former ruling family of Kadwal state, is unapologetic. Although a tribal is now the village sarpanch, it is the former rajas? word that is still law here. Muslims allege he drafted the conditions and put the village forest beat guard ? ironically, a Muslim ? to get the signatures on the mafipatra.
?It?s not true, however, that we asked them to convert to Hinduism, shave off their beard or not to put the caps on their heads,? says the former raja . Although the Muslim families? houses were burnt down, there were no killings in Kadwal. But in some villages in the area, like Randhikpur in neighbouring Dahod district, the conditions for the Muslims? return to home include withdrawal of rape and murder charges.
And the conditions aren?t verbal. They are written on Rs 10 stamp papers. ?These obviously have no legal standing. Agreements signed on stamp paper are an accepted village custom here. Marriages, divorces and sundry other small village issues are recorded on stamp papers,? says Ganesh Devy, Sahitya Akademi award winner, who runs a tribal studies institute at nearby Tejgadh.
Naturally, the mafipatra has brought out more disagreement than agreements. ?We refused to sign them. It?s only those living in one mohalla who did so,? says Mumtaz Ali, president of the Kadwal Muslim Manch.
He denies that Muslims shouted any anti-national slogans when they took out a rally on the night of the arson. ?We only shouted Allah-O-Akbar Nara-e-taqdir, as we do at all Muslim gatherings.? Huddled by their burnt-out homes, Mumtaz and many other Muslims complain that not one of those accused in their FIRs for the arson have been arrested.
The local police station is less than a kilometer away from where Mumtaz stands. But the police left it to the villagers to ?sort out? the mafipatra issue. ?They have to live together. The mafipatra isn?t really an issue,? says subdivisional magistrate S.S. Baria, a Bhil. Bhils make the largest tribal community in Gujarat. He has no answer as to why those named in the FIRs have not been picked up.
Muslims in Kadwal were luckier, despite the conditions. At Panwad, the Hindus and the tribal Rathwas are totally unyielding. ?We don?t want them (Muslims) back because that would mean trouble again and again,? Tansinh Rathwa does not mince his words.
The police tried to escort the Muslim villagers, now living in the Chhotaudepur camp, back to the village. ?We told the police we can?t guarantee the Muslims? security.? The police avoided pushing it for now, while tribals guard the village at night with bows and arrows to prevent the Muslims from returning.
Unlike in the past communal violence in Gujarat, tribals in Vadodara, Sabarkantha, Dahod and Godhra, on the state?s eastern parts bordering Madhya Pradesh and Rajasthan, were co-opted into the militant ranks of saffron ? with a heady mix of money, liquor and the agenda for Hinduisation of the tribals.
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CHHOTE MODI LIVES UP TO BADE MODI?S REPUTATION
FROM ASHIS CHAKRABARTI Ahmedabad, May 17: Rows of little mud-and-brick houses burnt and pulled down. Only one stands erect and unharmed. The reason: It has ?OM? painted on the front wall, signalling that it belonged to a Hindu family.
Another structure survives, though with a blackened hole that a bomb left on its front gate . It is the office of the Jan Sangharsh Manch, a civil rights group that took this slum of 1800 people, mostly Muslims, under its care three years ago. One man called Modi changed all that on March 1, leaving behind the rubble and emptiness where the slum stood for 30 years.
He isn?t Narendra Modi, who, as chief minister, was changing the face of Gujarat with blood and fire. The destroyer of this slum in Gomtipur, below the Khokhra railway over-bridge and opposite the walls of the closed Ambica textile mill, is police sub-inspector N.A. Modi. Since his March 1 charge on the slum, he is known in the neighbourhood as ?Chhote Modi?, whom the saffron brigade hails as a hero and the Muslims denounce as a devil.
The Gomtipur tale is a miniature of the bigger Gujarat story that the bigger Modi scripted in burnt Muslim neighbourhoods, not just houses, in the killing fields of Naroda-Patia, Paldi, Jamalpur, Chamanpura, Bapunagar and scores of other places in Ahmedabad and elsewhere in Gujarat.
Gomtipur has been just a shade different from the usual horror story from Gujarat. It is also the story of heroic resistance by a small band of ordinary men committed to fighting the Hindu communalists and their uniformed vanguards like sub-inspector Modi.
The saffron mob takes the stage before Chhote Modi makes his appearance. On February 28, a crowd of 500 people gather on the Khokhra overbridge and on the compounds of the adjoining railway employees? colony and start attacking the slum with stones. As frightened villagers leaves their homes and huddle in an opening behind their houses, Mohan Bundela, convener of the Manch, frantically calls up Gomtipur thana for help. ?I must have made a hundred calls but when three policemen came they only stood watching the crowds who curiously melt away after some time.?
Next morning the crowds come better prepared ? stormtroopers of the VHP and Bajrang Dal in their saffron headgear and armed with swords, tridents and stones. Enter Modi in his jeep. He is furious with Bundela for trying to protect the slum and its people.
?He told me as a Hindu I should be ashamed to side with the Muslims after the Godhra kand,? Bundela recounts.
Modi then goes on to show how Bundela should have stood, not with the slum dwellers, but with the crowd.
Modi, who is in plain clothes, asks his men to take out five cans of diesel from his jeep and hands them over to leaders of the mob. Soon, the slum comes down in flames. Fortunately, the Manch activists feared as much and had moved women and children beforehand out of harm?s way. Now, men too run for safety along the railway track and most of them are still in relief camps at Shah Alam dargah in the walled city.
Bundela too flees in his scooter, along with fellow activist Israel, but only to come back later to their one-room office to fight it out against Modi.
The Manch moved the high court against him and got an order issued for an inquiry by a deputy commissioner of police who never came. Modi and his men struck back ? first with threats and then with a bomb that damaged the office gate.
?We?d rather die than leave this place, which we know a promoter has been trying to get to build a hotel,? Bundela says. He and his Manch colleagues are determined to bring the slum-dwellers back once their houses are rebuilt ? and to fight the police officer. Modi refuses to speak because ?the matter is in the court?.
?You?ll hear the same stories of policemen not just standing by but actually taking part in mob violence everywhere,? says retired Chief Justice of Rajasthan High Court A.P. Ravani, whose testimony to the National Human Rights Commission against the government?s role in the carnage was among the most detailed.
Not just policemen, even ministers led some incidents of violence, either directing mobs on the streets or directing the police from behind. Revenue minister Haren Pandya and civil supplies minister Bharat Barot are known to have been out on the streets with violent mobs on February 28. ?Yes, I was in the crowds but not leading them. Actually, I called the police when trouble broke out at Paldi (his constituency),? Pandya told this correspondent.
Two other ministers ? Ashok Bhatt and I.K. Jadeja ? sat in police control rooms, the former at Ahmedabad and the latter at Gandhinagar ? almost through the violence on the 28th. The gory events of the first day of the pogrom showed how they controlled policemen.
Presiding over them all, of course, was chief minister Narendra Modi who called a meeting of senior police officials on 27th evening and reportedly asked them not to use ?force? during the next day?s bandh, which the VHP had called and the government supported to protest the killing of the ?Ramsevaks? at Godhra.
?It?s not just the killings, which are one, though the most gruesomely visible, part of state terrorism. It?s the subversion of the entire state machinery ? the police, bureaucracy, the law and the judiciary. I?m told the chief minister has asked for a list of judges trying to act independently,? Ravani says.
Terror, therefore, continues even if major killings have stopped ? at least for now.
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``Forgiveness Bond`` Muslims are to be forgiven for what?2000 dead lakhs homeless thousand [properties burnt still muslim must opologise because Might is Right
http://www.telegraphindia.com/front_pa.htm#head4
RETURN HOME WITH FORGIVENESS BOND
FROM ASHIS CHAKRABARTI Vadodara, May 17: You can?t slaughter cows in the village. You won?t harass Hindu girls. You can?t bring in any new Muslim families. You can?t interfere in quarrels among Hindus. You won?t do any anti-national activity.
These are some of the conditions of the mafipatra (agreement of apology) on which Muslims can return to Kadwal village, about 90 km from Vadodara city. Above all, they have to apologise for taking out a rally in the village and raising ?provocative? slogans.
Unable to carry on at the relief camp at Chhoteudepur, the subdivisional headquarters, 13 of the 60-odd Muslim families have signed the ?agreement? and returned to the village. Their homes, though, are still without roofs and bear the blackened scars of the fire that razed them on the night of March 2.
?We had to make them sign the agreement to put it on record because they have lost our trust,? Bharatsinh Pravinsinnh, young scion of the former ruling family of Kadwal state, is unapologetic. Although a tribal is now the village sarpanch, it is the former rajas? word that is still law here. Muslims allege he drafted the conditions and put the village forest beat guard ? ironically, a Muslim ? to get the signatures on the mafipatra.
?It?s not true, however, that we asked them to convert to Hinduism, shave off their beard or not to put the caps on their heads,? says the former raja . Although the Muslim families? houses were burnt down, there were no killings in Kadwal. But in some villages in the area, like Randhikpur in neighbouring Dahod district, the conditions for the Muslims? return to home include withdrawal of rape and murder charges.
And the conditions aren?t verbal. They are written on Rs 10 stamp papers. ?These obviously have no legal standing. Agreements signed on stamp paper are an accepted village custom here. Marriages, divorces and sundry other small village issues are recorded on stamp papers,? says Ganesh Devy, Sahitya Akademi award winner, who runs a tribal studies institute at nearby Tejgadh.
Naturally, the mafipatra has brought out more disagreement than agreements. ?We refused to sign them. It?s only those living in one mohalla who did so,? says Mumtaz Ali, president of the Kadwal Muslim Manch.
He denies that Muslims shouted any anti-national slogans when they took out a rally on the night of the arson. ?We only shouted Allah-O-Akbar Nara-e-taqdir, as we do at all Muslim gatherings.? Huddled by their burnt-out homes, Mumtaz and many other Muslims complain that not one of those accused in their FIRs for the arson have been arrested.
The local police station is less than a kilometer away from where Mumtaz stands. But the police left it to the villagers to ?sort out? the mafipatra issue. ?They have to live together. The mafipatra isn?t really an issue,? says subdivisional magistrate S.S. Baria, a Bhil. Bhils make the largest tribal community in Gujarat. He has no answer as to why those named in the FIRs have not been picked up.
Muslims in Kadwal were luckier, despite the conditions. At Panwad, the Hindus and the tribal Rathwas are totally unyielding. ?We don?t want them (Muslims) back because that would mean trouble again and again,? Tansinh Rathwa does not mince his words.
The police tried to escort the Muslim villagers, now living in the Chhotaudepur camp, back to the village. ?We told the police we can?t guarantee the Muslims? security.? The police avoided pushing it for now, while tribals guard the village at night with bows and arrows to prevent the Muslims from returning.
Unlike in the past communal violence in Gujarat, tribals in Vadodara, Sabarkantha, Dahod and Godhra, on the state?s eastern parts bordering Madhya Pradesh and Rajasthan, were co-opted into the militant ranks of saffron ? with a heady mix of money, liquor and the agenda for Hinduisation of the tribals.
http://www.telegraphindia.com/national.htm
CHHOTE MODI LIVES UP TO BADE MODI?S REPUTATION
FROM ASHIS CHAKRABARTI Ahmedabad, May 17: Rows of little mud-and-brick houses burnt and pulled down. Only one stands erect and unharmed. The reason: It has ?OM? painted on the front wall, signalling that it belonged to a Hindu family.
Another structure survives, though with a blackened hole that a bomb left on its front gate . It is the office of the Jan Sangharsh Manch, a civil rights group that took this slum of 1800 people, mostly Muslims, under its care three years ago. One man called Modi changed all that on March 1, leaving behind the rubble and emptiness where the slum stood for 30 years.
He isn?t Narendra Modi, who, as chief minister, was changing the face of Gujarat with blood and fire. The destroyer of this slum in Gomtipur, below the Khokhra railway over-bridge and opposite the walls of the closed Ambica textile mill, is police sub-inspector N.A. Modi. Since his March 1 charge on the slum, he is known in the neighbourhood as ?Chhote Modi?, whom the saffron brigade hails as a hero and the Muslims denounce as a devil.
The Gomtipur tale is a miniature of the bigger Gujarat story that the bigger Modi scripted in burnt Muslim neighbourhoods, not just houses, in the killing fields of Naroda-Patia, Paldi, Jamalpur, Chamanpura, Bapunagar and scores of other places in Ahmedabad and elsewhere in Gujarat.
Gomtipur has been just a shade different from the usual horror story from Gujarat. It is also the story of heroic resistance by a small band of ordinary men committed to fighting the Hindu communalists and their uniformed vanguards like sub-inspector Modi.
The saffron mob takes the stage before Chhote Modi makes his appearance. On February 28, a crowd of 500 people gather on the Khokhra overbridge and on the compounds of the adjoining railway employees? colony and start attacking the slum with stones. As frightened villagers leaves their homes and huddle in an opening behind their houses, Mohan Bundela, convener of the Manch, frantically calls up Gomtipur thana for help. ?I must have made a hundred calls but when three policemen came they only stood watching the crowds who curiously melt away after some time.?
Next morning the crowds come better prepared ? stormtroopers of the VHP and Bajrang Dal in their saffron headgear and armed with swords, tridents and stones. Enter Modi in his jeep. He is furious with Bundela for trying to protect the slum and its people.
?He told me as a Hindu I should be ashamed to side with the Muslims after the Godhra kand,? Bundela recounts.
Modi then goes on to show how Bundela should have stood, not with the slum dwellers, but with the crowd.
Modi, who is in plain clothes, asks his men to take out five cans of diesel from his jeep and hands them over to leaders of the mob. Soon, the slum comes down in flames. Fortunately, the Manch activists feared as much and had moved women and children beforehand out of harm?s way. Now, men too run for safety along the railway track and most of them are still in relief camps at Shah Alam dargah in the walled city.
Bundela too flees in his scooter, along with fellow activist Israel, but only to come back later to their one-room office to fight it out against Modi.
The Manch moved the high court against him and got an order issued for an inquiry by a deputy commissioner of police who never came. Modi and his men struck back ? first with threats and then with a bomb that damaged the office gate.
?We?d rather die than leave this place, which we know a promoter has been trying to get to build a hotel,? Bundela says. He and his Manch colleagues are determined to bring the slum-dwellers back once their houses are rebuilt ? and to fight the police officer. Modi refuses to speak because ?the matter is in the court?.
?You?ll hear the same stories of policemen not just standing by but actually taking part in mob violence everywhere,? says retired Chief Justice of Rajasthan High Court A.P. Ravani, whose testimony to the National Human Rights Commission against the government?s role in the carnage was among the most detailed.
Not just policemen, even ministers led some incidents of violence, either directing mobs on the streets or directing the police from behind. Revenue minister Haren Pandya and civil supplies minister Bharat Barot are known to have been out on the streets with violent mobs on February 28. ?Yes, I was in the crowds but not leading them. Actually, I called the police when trouble broke out at Paldi (his constituency),? Pandya told this correspondent.
Two other ministers ? Ashok Bhatt and I.K. Jadeja ? sat in police control rooms, the former at Ahmedabad and the latter at Gandhinagar ? almost through the violence on the 28th. The gory events of the first day of the pogrom showed how they controlled policemen.
Presiding over them all, of course, was chief minister Narendra Modi who called a meeting of senior police officials on 27th evening and reportedly asked them not to use ?force? during the next day?s bandh, which the VHP had called and the government supported to protest the killing of the ?Ramsevaks? at Godhra.
?It?s not just the killings, which are one, though the most gruesomely visible, part of state terrorism. It?s the subversion of the entire state machinery ? the police, bureaucracy, the law and the judiciary. I?m told the chief minister has asked for a list of judges trying to act independently,? Ravani says.
Terror, therefore, continues even if major killings have stopped ? at least for now.
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