The Chicken Hawks Of Pakistan janjua saheb #52:

[...Pakistan belongs in South Asia. A serious effort to normalize relations with India would be best for both countries. The responsibility in this regard lies with India, since its the most powerful nation in the region...``]

perhaps you should qualify this statement by adding the following - `...however, all indian efforts in normalizing relations `must not mention kashmir in apologetic tones` or `in two words at the end of the declaration` or `kashmir must not be mentioned as an afterthought`. because at that point all bets would be off and to protect the national interest someone in pakistan would have to step in`.

Tehelka Tapes: Modernising Media Morality farzana,

[...Do not assume that whatever you say is `understood` only because you have stated it...]

of course i shouldn`t. in your case, everything has to be stated very explicitly or you start seeing ghosts. there is NO understanding.

[...And I certainly do not think you are an authority to decide on what constitutes the most absurd arguments, unless you have gone through the whole gamut of them...]

of course i am not an authority. it is only an assessment and a personal opinion that one presents on chowk. but what makes you think that i have NOT gone through the whole gamut of them? and i am referring to the ones presented by you here on chowk. besides, are YOU an authority on anything except your personal life?

[...The fact is that a couple of Pakistanis occasionally take up for me...]

more than a couple of indians and pakistanis take up for you and will take up for you when you talk sense, which, unfortunately, is not majority of the time on chowk. a couple of pakistanis take up for you irrespective of that.

[...and the Indians start frothing at the mouth, and then they talk about peace. Rubbish!...]

only frothing at the mouth seems to be coming from you. and i certainly do not think that you are an authority to decide on what constitutes indians, or frothing at the mouth, or talking about peace, or rubbish.

Biases of the American Press jay,

i don`t see how you can continue after reading anNy`s post.

:O)

Tehelka Tapes: Modernising Media Morality farzana,

perhaps i should have explicitly stated that the only people who are supporters of you EVEN FOR YOUR MOST ABSURD ARGUMENTS are urstruly and ali1. i thought that was understood.

however, i do agree with you (count me as your another supporter if you want) that this discussion is irrelevant.

have a good life and i hope your endeavors in improving the daily-life of your fellow citizens are fruitful.

Tehelka Tapes: Modernising Media Morality temporal,

[...and my other concern is that your concern is slightly misplaced... ]

how so?

Tehelka Tapes: Modernising Media Morality farzana,

if you choose to focus on 1 against you and ignore the 10 that were for you, and further, imply that 10 were against you, it can only be called unique.

ever wonder why majority of the time your only supporters on chowk happen to be urstruly and ali1?

Tehelka Tapes: Modernising Media Morality farzana,

you certainly have a curiously unique way of answering a simple question with a simple answer.

selective memory/research? computers don`t lie.
your post to urstruly implied that you asked a `casual` question and you got `volleyed`. only your conscience can attest to that truthfully.

[...Is there something really important that you are trying to say?...]

yes. how about yourself?

Obsession with Borderline Issues sorry, wrong board for my post. should be on harish`s article.

Obsession with Borderline Issues farzana,

[...For the record, on the Patwardhan board I casually asked the interactors about Tehelka (it had just been announced that night) and what the Indians had to say about the corruption, and there was a volley against me...]


here is your `casual` post about tehelka to the indians -


http://www.chowk.com/bin/showr.cgi?f=apatwardhan_mar0401&n=130#reply382


``...BTW: There is palpable silence by the Indians here regarding the arms deal bribery scam in the BJP exposed by Tehelka.
Will some of you please come forward and say something? Aren`t you people worried? Or are you still shedding tears about the poor in Afghanistan versus the Taliban discussion? Come on, time to look in our own backyard...``


and as far as the `volley against you` is concerned, here is what you wrote in response to the replies about tehelka posted by indians -


http://www.chowk.com/bin/showr.cgi?f=apatwardhan_mar0401&n=80#reply428


``...i thank those of you have come forward to comment, and taken my plea as just that and not seen any ulterior motives in it...``


farzana, do you just have poor memory or are you always hallucinating?

Tehelka Tapes: Modernising Media Morality farzana,

[...For the record, on the Patwardhan board I casually asked the interactors about Tehelka (it had just been announced that night) and what the Indians had to say about the corruption, and there was a volley against me...]

here is your `casual` post about tehelka to the indians -

http://www.chowk.com/bin/showr.cgi?f=apatwardhan_mar0401&n=130#reply382

``...BTW: There is palpable silence by the Indians here regarding the arms deal bribery scam in the BJP exposed by Tehelka.
Will some of you please come forward and say something? Aren`t you people worried? Or are you still shedding tears about the poor in Afghanistan versus the Taliban discussion? Come on, time to look in our own backyard...``

and as far as the `volley against you` is concerned, here is what you wrote in response to the replies about tehelka posted by indians -

http://www.chowk.com/bin/showr.cgi?f=apatwardhan_mar0401&n=80#reply428

``...i thank those of you have come forward to comment, and taken my plea as just that and not seen any ulterior motives in it...``

farzana, do you just have poor memory or are you always hallucinating?

Obsession with Borderline Issues sigh...i wish sameer hadn`t given romair a chance to jump back on this board before he could address the previous posts (if). anyway...

romair,

[...I support the actions of these volunteers, as long they do not deliberately target civilians, and they have the backing of local Kashmiris. Uptil that point I consider them noble freedom fighters, and the Indian govt. as the terrorist. If these volunteers violate any of the above two rules, then I consider them self-serving terrorists...]

not that it matters who you consider as the terrorists, but here is just one sample from your favorite amnesty international -

http://web.amnesty.org/802568F7005C4453/0/D5614760BD456CFD8025690000693185!Open&Highlight=2,kashmir

``...The abuses committed by armed opposition groups in Jammu and Kashmir have included torture and deliberate and indiscriminate killings of unarmed civilians. Armed opposition groups have also harassed and intimidated civilians with the threat of such abuses. The targets of such abuses have included civilian men, women and children, journalists, members of the Hindu minority and civilian officials whose public function is not directly related to the conduct of hostilities...``

i think you know very well who the amnesty refers to as `armed opposition groups`.

no worries though – i fully expect you to come back after a few days to praise your `religious volunteers` as `noble freedom fighters`, and forget this interaction completely.

Obsession with Borderline Issues romair,

[...the moment the Indian army is free of the Kashmiri struggle, it will take all those soldiers and point them to Lahore and Sialkot...]

and what prevents those soldiers being pointed to lahore and sialkot AFTER the kashmir struggle is resolved in some fashion?

Is IT the Panacea? romair,

quite an expected reply from you. the man of details and references and proofs suddenly expects to be taken at face value. let me just say that an honest man has nothing to hide.
i can find more holes in your clarification as well. a classic case of inventing more to cover up one. but i won`t.

[...you can remember what I said in earlier ones, while I cannot remember anything you stated in your previous posts...]
i attribute that to your superior interpersonal skills.

[...you could have concentrated on either of these three, yet you have chosen to narrow in on the one...]
and pray, what would be the point of concentrating on points on which we might be in agreeement? besides, on earlier occasions you have argued that indians are no better than the pakistanis or the chinese or the russians as far as technical abilities in IT go and that indians are just more in numbers and hence have all the visibility. you simply change your position to suit a particular post at a particular time.

i think a lot of pakistanis here would have been greatly relieved if you actually were a 12 year old islamabadi!

Tehelka Tapes: Modernising Media Morality ras,

do you live on the same planet as the rest of us, or in a galaxy far, far away...?

Biases of the American Press [...The question is why is Pakistan, and not India ``America`s Worst Nightmare?``...]

the day india starts an assembly line producing robots chanting `death to america`, and starts naming its babies `osama`, and starts sending soldiers of islam all over the world to wage a jehad against the enemies of islam, would be the day india would become america`s worst nightmare.

till then, pakistan would keep the trophy.

Is IT the Panacea? romair,

[...All the Indians finished their academic program, with equal or higher grades than me, a couple of semesters before I did. However, I got a job before any of them did. In fact their was another Pakistani with me, and he got a job quite quickly also. Probably because both of us did quite a bit better than the Indian graduates in interviews...]

yaar, you really crack me up!
so what you are saying is that in your college, (which though not ivy league but has standards higher than those in your specialty, as you informed us a while back), companies rejected academically more capable indian guys who finished couple of semesters before you did (6-8 months before) and waited for smarter guys like you and other pakistanis to finish their courses!

and these indian guys, nerds as they were, went begging for jobs while the pakistanis graduated. eventually, the nerds also got jobs but only after smarter pakistanis had been hired. and then the nerds struggled in the management queue while you climbed the ladder with remarkable ease!

can you give us some details? for starters, which college did you attend? when did you graduate and what was your major? which company did you join right after college? which company did the indian guys work for?

looking forward to the info.