The Meaning of Pakistan krashid,

[...what was the point...]

i do not cosider those people indian who either keep the flags of pakistan in their houses, or greet the pakistanis as `aap to hamaray mulk se aaye hain`, or celebrate pakistani cricket victory over india. to extend it further, i do not consider the people who feel that they belong to an `ummah` and not to india, as indian either.

these people would never get the sympathy of any indian, whether he is hindu, muslim, sikh, or of any other shade.

faruk,

[...the strata of muslim society that the author is talking about are poor, illiterate and used...]

true, but even if we consider the `poor` muslim population to reflect the overall average (30%, it may be more), it would indicate that 40 million or more muslims could fall in this category. i find that a scary number that can potentially be `used` for a `non-indian` identity. i hope my fear is exaggerated.

bahmad,

[...is it because they are paying the price for the creation of pakistan? or, what? could you please explain?...]

no, i can not. can you explain why muslim leaders would meet vajpayee and demand an enquiry into koran burning but would never raise any concerns about the lack (real or imaginary) of educational opportunities for muslims?

you had very detailed discussions with syjam (a muslim from india) over an year ago on these topics. if you are not convinced by his (her?) explanations, what chance do i have?

The Meaning of Pakistan harimau,

:O)

sorry, your name just came in handy, it was late at night and i wasn`t thinking too rationally. i do apologize.

more later to others...

The Meaning of Pakistan btw umairr, the author of the fridaytimes article seems to think that the poor and the rich muslims are pretty much the same in both india and pakistan. so what makes you wish that `... indian muslims may actually, at some stage, enjoy the same or higher living standards that Pakistani Muslims enjoy...`

The Meaning of Pakistan i felt very sad after reading the fridaytimes article that umairr mentioned about muslims in india. not because of the things that are known to everyone (babari and police brutalities, etc) but because of the things that are not known to everyone - for it showed where the priorities lay for the muslims.

i was thinking that i would read about all the injustices that farzana has been pointing to in her postings - in the form of hapless muslims saying `wah janab` all the time to the hindus.

but,

did they complain that they had been denied the education they wanted because they were muslims?
did they complain that they had been denied the jobs they wanted because they were muslims?
did they complain that they had been denied housing where they wanted because they were muslims?
did they complain that they had been living in fear of being shot while praying in mosques?

no.

what did they complain about?

the old lady feared that muslims boys and girls would marry outside the faith. that meant `a lack of freedom` to her. hindu boys featured with muslim girls in movies/videos meant a building up of `hatred in india’s underbelly against muslims`. and why were muslim men not shown dating hindu girls.

we also came to know that feelings of ``aap tau hamaray mulk say aye hain`` are not just rumours spread by harimau types, ``few of them even had the pakistani flag inside their houses`` is also not just thakare`s perverted imagination, and applauding ``shahid afridi thrashing the indian bowling attack`` is not just a bajrand dali`s accusation.

what a shame!

no matter what the legitimate grievances muslims may have, those will never get any sympathy from any indian as long as such feelings exist in the minds of the muslims about the country that india is perpetually at war with.

but if gavaskar can praise pakistani team, what is wrong with all of the above? right, farzana?

The Meaning of Pakistan from zahra`s helpsavepakistan.com link:

Information Technology Blues
by Masood
It came to me as no surprise when IDG Publications` CIO magazine dedicated their entire December issue to India. The cover page reads: ``A Passage to India``.
However, what was suppressing was the proclamation made by CIO - Information Technology industry`s hallmark magazine ``No one in the world takes IT as seriously as India. A special Field Report on doing Business with tomorrow`s IT superpower`` and ``Parks of Bangalore Next Up - an $80 Billion I.T. Industry``

Unfortunately, those of us who would want to disregard this 302 page magazine all dedicated to India can not deny the fact that CIO magazine is the only prestigious magazine solely designed for the Information Executives, not to mention IDG`s own reputation that prints over 290 publications in 75 countries, vastly circulated Information Technology magazine like PC World, Info World, and Computer World are all babies of IDG Publications. On the business front IDG Publications is well recognized by their publications CEO and CRM...

Lets Destroy The Bamiyan Buddhas! [...The Taliban have tried to project this as an issue that the `real` Islamists, the madarissa-going ones...]

it would be helpful to know what the correct spelling of this word is, if any:

madarissa
madressah
madarsa
madarsah
mad-arsa
...

any interpretations?

The Meaning of Pakistan [...Quaid-i-Azam was fully aware of the fragmentary role of the 72 sects that had marred Islam`s pristine glory....]

72 sects and 72 houris...! remarkable!!
may allah be praised...!!!

They Changed My God down with neo-dotbusters...
neo-dotbusters will burn in hell, insha allah...

The Meaning of Pakistan re: #60

the jang report yesterday had some lines to the effect that dr khan was accused(?) by a court in holland for theft of some kind many years ago.

the ce`s statement that there are hundreds of equally good scientists in pakistan should be of some comfort to the disappointed people.

Our Blind Nuclear Prophets assad_k,

[...Maybe if you ask really nicely...]

indians are not nice to pakistanis? surely you are joking, mr k_man!

Our Blind Nuclear Prophets [...Thats the reason we the dumb Pakistanis have been trying to assert for an independent plebscite...]

q: what are the chances that the dumb pakistanis would stop quoting u.n. resolutions even if the almighty himself told them not to do so?

a: zero.

intelligent pakistanis are, of course, another matter.

They Changed My God tahmed #81:

sigh... laughter is a good medicine. do give it a try sometime.

Our Blind Nuclear Prophets assad_k:

[...I think that we should all refer to Vajpayee as Vajoo from now on...]

my goodness, we will be devastated then! can you reconsider?

Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan - The Last Prophet of Qawalli? correction-

...as they say on chowk,...

Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan - The Last Prophet of Qawalli? [...``I think Mr. Acharya owes us an explanation...``]

who exactly is `us`? and do these `us` have a copyright or a patent for the use of the word `prophet`? if yes, would they kindly produce it in the court, er...chowk?

this all-muslim, all-the-time, muslim-o-rama (wait,...let me think about the copyright of that word), is really quite a show.

mr acharya doesn`t owe you, as they on chowk, a didly-squat.

- prophet of doom (aka concerned).

Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan - The Last Prophet of Qawalli? [...I think you should have checked this article with a Muslim before sending it in...]

would just a muslim do or would he have to be a ``proud`` muslim?