A World Upside Down and this was in the presence of the isi chief?...

...A delegation of top Deobandi clerics from Pakistan that went to Afghanistan with Director General of ISI Lt-Gen Mahmud to meet with the Taliban supremo Mullah Omar Akhund and convince him to hand over Osama Bin Laden, did exactly the opposite, says a Pakistani media report.

Sources within the delegation told the weekly that instead of convincing Omar of the necessity of saving Afghanistan and the Taliban regime by getting rid of Bin Laden, the delegation invoked Islamic scriptures to appreciate the stand taken by the Taliban leadership and assured Omar of their support...

http://www.timesofindia.com/articleshow.asp?art_id=307470094

A World Upside Down An explosion which killed an American and another foreigner may have been carried out by a Pakistani suicide bomber, a Saudi newspaper reported on Sunday.
Al-Watan newspaper quoted eyewitnesses as saying that the blast appeared to have been caused by a suicide bomber, probably a Pakistani, who was killed instantly

http://www.hindustantimes.com/nonfram/071001/dLAME30.asp

Jihad: Paradoxes and Defining Moments fairdinkum,

this link says that jaish reclaimed the responsibility for the attack. if you can read the urdu version of jang, can you confirm it?

http://www.expressindia.com/kashmir/kashmirlive/an20011007.html

A World Upside Down http://www.expressindia.com/kashmir/kashmirlive/an20011007.html

Are you listening Gen Musharraf?

Muzamil Jaleel

...Although the outfit had to eat its words soon and a denial was also issued later under pressure from the Pakistan military government, Jaish`s distancing from the act too did not last long.

Azhar told Pakistan`s leading Urdu daily Jung that it was ``historical success and was a matter related to Kashmir`s freedom struggle``. Jung quoted him as saying that the outfit has ``replied terrorism of Indian Government with terrorism`` and ``it has no relation to the developments regarding Afghanistan``.

...Professor Sheikh Showkat Hussain of Kashmir University, however, makes another point. ``Pakistan has a military rule and it is really difficult to organise such massive protests when Army is in control,`` he said. ``There is every likelihood that Pakistani establishment is allowing these demonstrations with a purpose. They use it as a bargaining chip with the Americans and the west because it shows how difficult a decision Musharraf has taken by aligning with the West,`` he said...

A World Upside Down rajanjua,

zameen aasman...agreed. that is why i mentioned furnished apartment. the equivalent in india would be a mud hut for those people in a safer area. but the underlying priciple/argument is the same.

Jihad: Paradoxes and Defining Moments fairdinkum,

[...but later when it was announced that it was indeed a drama staged by none other than Indian government itself, I was shocked...]

and who made this `announcement` that shocked you so much?

A World Upside Down anNy,

[...or youll have a fighter jet in your face before you can say `anNy`, kya?...]

you mean a F-16 piloted by the fearless ylh? ok. i won`t say `anNy`.

A World Upside Down rajanjua,

good muslim...was used by the author of that article. maybe I should have put it in quotes.

orissa...faulty logic. you are not assuming that every homeless person begging on the traffic signals across urban america has been provided furnished apartments before the aid to pakistan was given, are you?

A World Upside Down rajanjua,

[...I forgot that Hindus have never done anything remotely wrong, ever...]

one wonders why otherwise rational people start mentioning all wrongdoings under the sun to avoid specifically addressing the one in question.

[...I did`nt read it - Can you please post the url...]

It is in the same post from where you started responding to me.

[...Painful to hear Pakistan as a frontline state - eh? ...All this sulking and whining and crying is unbecoming...]

i don`t think being a frontline state was some sort of a competition. better you guys than us anyway. enjoy it and if a couple of billion dollars can persuade musharraf to start seeing sense, even better. shammi had couple of months ago suggested that india give that much money to musharraf for this very purpose. the sulking and whining only seems to be over the lack of a public comment from the powers that be to address the jaishes and the lashkars. but if that is being kept under the wraps so that your educated and uneducated jihadis stay indoors, that should be fine. There are some positive indications though – such as the reported arrest of fazlur rahman, connection between mohammed atta and the Indian airlines hijack in ’99, jaish being in the annual report on terrorism, powell and bush`s references to kashmir...stay tuned :O)

A World Upside Down rufi #76,

[...My indian parents think the same.]

hi rufi, are you/your parents going to voice any protests next time around?

A World Upside Down tahmad,

[``Please try to stay away from insulting other people`s religion AND/OR COUNTRIES of which you obviously have no understanding...``]

please try to stay away from insulting other people`s posts and/or views of which you obviously have no understanding...

see how easy that was? does it bring back any memories?

:O)

A World Upside Down anNy,

[...dont forget your manners while writing to tahmed sahab next time...]

hehe...actually, i prefer not writing to tahmed saheb at all...but you see he keeps asking for trouble. btw anNy, have you considered the possibility that perhaps tahmed sahab needs a few lessons from none other than ms. manners herself?

[or i`ll personally see to blowing a plane in your face]

aah...why do you want to prove jay right? and did you say you have a bin laden screen-saver which you find `very cool`?

relax and stay cool... :O)

A World Upside Down tahmad,

[...Please try to stay away from insulting other people`s religion of which you obviously have no understanding...]

whose religion have i insulted? stop accusing me of things that i have not done and use your brain, if you have any, while writing.

A World Upside Down rajanjua #51,

[...why not good hindus..., etc as well?]

when hindus start crashing planes into tall buildings full of people, in countries far away,
because their brethren might be getting a raw deal, say in fiji, would be the day when
your statement would carry some weight. till that time, you would have to fight your own
demons.

btw, i didn`t read any reaction from any pakistanis, about the other msnbc article written by a muslim from an indian family. do you think it reflected the reality? do you think good muslims should/would do something? would you?

pakistan being the frontline state...good luck and i hope some world leaders would actually feel safe enough to spend the night there as well when they come for `exchanging ideas`. blair today and clinton last time didn`t think so.

the hijack...perhaps the only time in the history of the world, one country`s military chief
publicly accused its elected prime-minister of hijacking its own plane. that is called the
reality check.

A World Upside Down An uneasy tolerance

One American Muslim`s view of how forces of hatred find a home in otherwise beneficent mosques and Islamic centers

http://www.msnbc.com/news/635263.asp?0si=-

...A few years ago, for instance, when the media focused on basketball star Mahmoud Abdul Rauf`s refusal to stand during the singing of the national anthem, Rauf, then a player on the Denver Nuggets, received a great deal of public support from the American Muslim community...


The war the West cannot fight
Let Islam confront its own demons: America will fight terror

http://www.msnbc.com/news/636347.asp?0si=-

...No, Islam is not to blame for this, but neither is it innocent. As Edmund Burke said, ``All it takes for evil to triumph is for enough good men to do nothing.`` The time has come for good Muslims to do something...

Black Tuesday: The View From Islamabad romair #61:

[...change in the US policy towards Pakistan.]

from dumb to dumber...there is no hope of redemption in the mujahids.