Drawing Palestine Oooops that last post wasn`t for this board..

Anyway..

Well anyway.. let me take this opportunity to clarify another misgiving. I wonder, why must all people on these boards assume that if I vehemently oppose some thing I want them banned...

Like I have said before, pseudos like Rehan Ansari are a necessity for any society to learn from .. to learn what not to be. I stand for complete freedom of speech, even if it is left wing-wannabe drivel. And in the `New Pakistan` I would gladly die protecting Rehan`s right to write, even if I personally want to take his writing and use it as toilet paper.

-YLH

Another One Bites The Dust

For the record,

I still stick by my characterization of Sheema Kirmani, based on both my personal experience at Yale University, and in the New York times...

-YLH

Of Violent Birth and Peaceful Death Dear Cementadaur

Its time to come out of these pipe dreams ali. Why must Pakistanis always deceive themselves with the pipe dreams of `South Asianism` or `Pan Islamism`.

Nevertheless you have said many good things in this article... I agree that the best service Pakistan can do itself is to stop stirring any trouble in India...

You have hit the nail on the head with this paragraph:

`Interestingly, even while Pakistan was formed to safeguard the rights ofSouth Asian Muslims, its founder wanted to see it function as a secularstate. Unfortunately, the Pakistani rulers could not abide by this visionof the founding father. Three decades after its creation, Pakistan starteddrifting towards Muslim fundamentalism. And this drift had a harmful effecton India. As Pakistan became more ``Muslim``, India--even despite resistanceby the saner elements of that country--became more ``Hindu.```

But I can`t figure out your lament.. What possible reason can be there for any desire for reunification. Why South Asia? Why not the Union of Asia instead? Why must it be so exclusive to the unity that British had once given a troubled, divided and diverse land? Why can`t we look beyond `South Asia`?

You are a reasonable, sane and thinking individual, so I know you will give up these pipe dreams one day, and embrace the cause of `Pakistan-firstism`... because let me make it clear .. South Asia divided will never be reunited... and it is not with regret I say that, I mean that as a resolve, to live in dignity, and our own sovereignty.

The reason I consider you to be a sane individual is your following statement:

``So, whereas, ideally speaking the British should have left South Asia theway they had conquered it (a region of many independent countries), theytried to hand over the power of their huge empire to the local people, to begoverned as a single country. ``

I do believe that one day you will realize that South Asia is an imagined identity, more like hind sight owing to the conquest of the British, and that `South Asia` is unnecessary beyond a geographical identity, that to Pakistanis Pakistan, a modern secular democratic progressive Pakistan, should come first!

Hope you will join me in a new reality. For like Mustapha Kemal Ataturk once said `Away with dreams and shadows, for they have cost us dear in the past`.

Sincerely

Yasser Latif Hamdani

Confessions of a BJP Supporter LESSONS IN PATRIOTISM...

Pakistanis

Please examine post 103 by Sound Meister.. and learn something from it...

`but damned if you are allowed to say things like that, esp. to a Pakistani (sorry t, nothing personal).``

When will our dancers and self proclaimed leaders understand this very basic concept?

Abr ka Tukra

Really scout I was so damn serious in that post..I couldn`t tell.. yeah whatever...Actually, I don`t think that class would all bad, particularly if chursi keeps in mind that he is not god`s gift to mankind...

I hope he doesn`t plan to start like every other expert of Indian Cinema with a screening of `Pathar Panchali`... yaar please apnay students par reham karna! That movie is boring as hell! Atleast with commercial indian cinema, one gets a few laughs here and there.

-YLH

Abr ka Tukra saxena...

damn man you are so funny.. I can`t stop laughing... meray pait mein bal par giya...

Haan nahin, yaar mera bechara former dutch Queens college of the 18th century kahan muqabala kar sakta hai, azeem `new` school ka... its so damn conservative you know...

-YLH

Drawing Palestine

1) First of all My flight is all set for 31st so thankyou very much.. I am going back to Lahore, and yes I am better than all of you.

2) `when you grow up`... typical condescending drivel from someone ready to concede the argument.

3) `South asian communities`... Like I have said before.. South Asia, beyond an imagined history and imagined identity, means nothing to me. Infact South Asians developing politically and creating a caucus in the Congress will mean more endorsement for Indian aggression in the Congress, and more denounciation of Pakistan. Pakistani community needs to go at it alone.

4) `rancor for india`... yes I do, but Israel is not the one shelling our borders, India is. So my `secular-centric` rancor for India is more justified than the Islamocentric rancor for Israel. One is real, the other is imagined.

5) Washington March, of which you were an advertiser on these boards, was full of hate filled rhetoric against Jews and Zionism. By association.. well lets not say any further.. I don`t want to offend you.

6) I am glad that you have informed me of your academic schedule... but to what end? I am confused.

7) `Pakistanis first` is `Humans first`. Remember the United Nations chose to call itself `United Nations` and not the `United World` or `United Humanity`. Unity in diversity... Because I am a human first, hence I am a Pakistani.. and if I am not mistaken you have stolen my words ... I had already said, I was a Human First, then a Pakistani and then anything else.

Hope you are gagging on my realism.

Removed From Reality

Fawad mian,

That is not our way... i think cursing should be applied at the people who are hurting Pakistan the most.. mullahs, and shameless lying dancers...

-YLH

Removed From Reality cutnpaste

Very interesting article... on jinnah.. I didn`t think Indians could look beyond their own noses..

Removed From Reality cut n paste 43

The answer is troubling indeed.. but for whom? Time India understood the answer to that...

-ylh

Abr ka Tukra

Scout,

Rehan`s chursi face can be found here:

http://www.chowk.com/bin/shows.cgi?sec=features&nn=ransari

I found it for you so that you don`t waste any money enrolling at a school, which is known for the worst form of pseudo-drawingroom-liberal drivel variety, perhaps made famous by the other chursi by the name of Christopher Hitchens.. who also teaches a stupid course at the same school.

Invest instead in the works of Ayn Rand .. that might actually help you in not falling in the trap of the so called `Intellectuals` of these boards...

Drawing Palestine

``wow!``

``right on ana.``

``Keep it up``

``we intelligent women...``

Mob mentality????

Drawing Palestine Fawad mian,

The more I visit these boards and interact with likes of ana, saminashah, and others, the more I realize how accurate the vision of Ayn Rand was, and how right she was about the Modern day `Intellectual` wannabes.. I have been studying the life and times of Ayn Rand, and the more I read about her, the more I understand how pathetically immature our common detractors are.. the likes of this pseudo-intellectual Rehan Hassan Ansari... I suggest to understand these people and their `calibre` better read the book :

`For the New Intellectual: The Philosophy of Ayn Rand` Penguin 1961

What you have articulated is simply undeniable. The responses actually confirm that. Samina Shah`s response to you was PATHETIC. Anna`s response was typical emotionalism .. `you can`t equate terrorism with Palestinian cause` line...

yet while all these people cry for Jenin, why is it that no a whimper is heard of the plight of those poor jewish people who died on Sabbath? Poor jewish people whose only fault was that they were in a public place practising their religion?

Ana, Samina Shah etc

To compare Kashmir to Palestine is outrageous. Unlike the Kashmiris, Palestinians are faced with one of most humanistic and democratic people. Kashmiris on the other hand are being butchered by the savage flag bearers of Hindu Fascism and racism. Infact, since no civilians were targetted, I consider the brave and bold attack on Indian Army camp, to be a Major victory for the war on terror. Why should we equate the deaths of Indian Military terrorists with the deaths of innocent jewish people?

In any event, I am accused of hurling insults, yet, amazingly the only one being cursed at here as the `immature kid from NJ` (well thats gonna change since I am moving back to Lahore) etc.. And even though I have remained most respectful with those who HAVE remained respectful with me, I must admit that yes I do hurl insults at those who hurl insults at me.

And believe me ... I know quite well that my values, opinions and aspirations are not shared by you, and the likes of you... Why would a Modern secular democratic and progressive Pakistan, maintaining its dignity through self preservation, and rational self interest be of any charm to you... i mean come on.. it is not in the news is it? Why must my slogan of `Pakistan first` interest any one of you... how would you hold your rallies in your dinky little universities in the United States of America, if that were the slogan... how would you get a chance to block traffic in Washington, and scream `jews are evil`?

Well Pakistan does come first! and nothing you can say or do will change my mind.

Another One Bites The Dust

I believe Temporal puts the smackdown as far as the article is concerned in his post:

``?The NY Times article published last friday is full of disinformation and misquotes. This reporter called from Islamabad and wanted to meet Sheema. It so happened there was a dance performance of her arranged by the horticultural society. So he saw the performance. Later he came over to Sheema`s place and had a kind of a social chat with her. During all this time he never took any notes! It appears that while in Pakistan he never switched on any Pak tv channels. There`s a 24-hour Indus Music channel which like V, MTV,MM,MMM does nothing but play songs and of course there`s a lot of dancing. The other 4 channels also have a big chunk of their time taken up by music and dances. During the referendum all day there were songs and dances. There are regular dance performances as well. Then culturally every wedding, be of the poor or rich has days of dancing prior to the Nikah. Hey why am I telling you this? This gora just poured out his hidden racist feelings and distorted vision about Pakistan.

Sheema had mentioned about:

1, dance being banned in !981 during Zia dictatorship;

2, The difficulties one faces to get an NOC an archaic law dating back to over 100 years;

3,and classical dancing a sort of dying art just as classical music because of today`s trends.

Sheema does not recollect saying certain things that he has quoted as if he was taking notes.This man made a story as if to dance in Pakistan is a grave criminal act! Officially this government has put a new life in Pakistan National Council of Arts (PNCA); giving them big funding. The PNCA has already organised whole evenings of dance performances. Sheema is directing the dance programmes. Every year national and international dance festivals are held in Karachi or Lahore or Islamabad. I have the copy of the article. It is very cleverly and well written except that it paints a largely false picture of the reality. Even the reporter demoted by two ranks Sheema`s father to Major! He was

Brigadier General?]``

If indeed, this is what Sheema`s stance is then I am wrong but the truth is that I have heard this woman speak at Yale and she made the same obnoxious claims there... So I doubt that your mutual friend is telling the truth.

-YLH

Another One Bites The Dust

The reference in my last post was to #554..

Another One Bites The Dust

Since everyone is taken `Umbrage` to my justified and totally accurate characterization of Sheema Kirmani, I also must condemn others for their unprovoked and bigoted attacks.. in my last post I presented the case of saxena, whose posts are without exception always profane and Moronic...

Now I must condemn Akash`s post 568:

``But dont ever refer me to Ali1`s posts. I never bother to read the posts of that ba$tard.``

I hope all of the valiant crusaders for dignity will join me in this condemnation of Akash, thereby showing that their umbrage is not exclusive to Pakistanis alone...

-YLH