The Right To Bigotry Poor `bleated Bakra` of a soul: Me

Payaray Rsaxena ji,

App ki choti choti kushian... chalo I won`t break your heart... Here is how you brilliantly bleated me into the following reply.. oh God how could I have been such a `bakra`:

I wrote in #79: ``By the way your predilection to irrelevancy never ceases to amaze me ... now Gandhi, whatever his achievements and claim to fame (I hope and pray that it is not simply because Dr.King and Einstein said so and so about gandhiji) has nothing to do with the fact that you think `Pakistan is geographically too thin a country to have daylight savings time`... the fact is that you need to have some more of that iodized salt... I fear that the deficiency permanently voided your brain cells (which might be the reason why you are starting with the Gandhi hagiography on this board).``

Truly an amazing achievement... (though it might incomprehensible to me) by the way I am still confused as to how you came to the pure genius of a conclusion that `Pakistan is geographically too thin a country to have DST`??

Can you please elaborate for us lesser mortals?

-YLH

The Right To Bigotry Dear Shankar,

Sirkar you are as always accurate in your brilliant assessment of the situation... As your highness has accurately judged, I have been bleated by clever and witty Rsaxena...

Respectfuly and most humbly I must, given that I am a lowly simpleton bakra who is made to squirm at every witty and clever Indian`s whim, inquire what in my response #79 was indicative of this ? Because I desperately want to learn from the masters of sarcasm and wit...



Fawad,

`Paki-girls`

Surely you are not committing sacrilege by calling those Arab-style Hijabis with IQs less than the numerical value of room temperature in an Alaskan Winter `Paki-girls`??

Come on man... Give me a BREAK! Perhaps you shouldn`t have been so lilly livered and gone up to them to inform them that the Kefiyas they are wearing to show their Arabness doesn`t make them Arab. I mean the stuff they said about you... you know the Razias, the Sehers, the Nadias, the Afsheens, of Rutgers? Please don`t confuse those Hijabi ABCDs with `Paki-girls` or Pakistani girls... Pakistani young women are amongst the brightest in the world...

Sincerely

YLH

The Right To Bigotry Dear Fawad,

``re: yasser ` s famous -green-yasser-my-name-is-on -the back -in case-you didnt know-tshirt``

A small clarification: It was my shirt from my High school`s Men`s Hockey team from the All-Lahore Schools competition ... We won the tournament three times and I was a part of the team all three times.

Ofcourse I can`t explain the sentimental value a shirt like that holds for an International student in a foreign land, so I don`t expect you to understand. Your mockery is sad but don`t worry I will live. Haven`t you ever seen a football jock wear his high school number? Well we didn`t have numbers... we had our names on our backs... so I apologize if I offended you by wearing my shirt.

I find it amazing though that only Pakistani-Americans seemed to be offended (that too in your testimony)... a lot of non-Pakistanis seemed to like it a lot... infact even some of the more decent Indians came up to me and asked me if I was from Pakistan (it said Choueifat Pakistan in the front remember) curious to find out more about Pakistan... and lahore...

Sincerely

-YLH

Blasphemy Law: An Academic Investigation This is a general comment:

It is true that people with malicious intent might try to create disorder ... but that is the price one pays for freedom... In any event, the death penalty is an unusually cruel and excessive punishment for such a crime. To think that this is done in the name of the man who was known as the prophet of mercy ... I recall the famous story of the Prophet, where an elderly Qureish woman used to throw garbage on him, and how when she fell ill, the Prophet went to visit her and helped her in her recovery. So how can we kill someone in the name of a man who himself thought better of those who forgave than those who avenged...

For Pakistanis especially it must be kept in mind that even when 295 A was being debated in the parliament in the 1930s, one legislator by the name of Mohammed Ali Jinnah vehemently opposed it... Is it not better to follow the example of the Holy Prophet and that of the founder of the nation, than to keep arguing about a law promulgated through a dictatorial ordinance of a man who stands somewhere between Yazid and Genghis Khan??

In any event, I admit that I don`t have the time or the patience for a detailed argument.. let alone the one involving faqihs etc and those which are concerned with making parallels with the torah and injeel. I just know that these laws have brought us into great disrepute world wide, and hence the excess baggage needs to be dumped. No one can draw lines in these matters... can anyone please tell me how Dr.Younus Sheikh committed blasphemy? I have read his comments again and again and I don`t see how he has been disrespectful to the Prophet...

Hariharan,

I agree with your argument completely.. however one thing.. there hasn`t been conclusive evidence that Ayesha was 6 when she got married... infact all the narrations of the life of the prophet seem to indicate to a much older person... either that or Ayesha was a child genius. That is my personal opinion. I agree that the accepted view is that of 6 years.

Krashid,

I agree completely with the spirit of Krashid`s emotional outburst... the Prophet, in my belief, was one of mercy who forgave more than he avenged...

One incident was of the woman who kept coming to the Prophet to confess her adultery, but the Prophet would turn away as if to look the other way and not invoke the tribal custom of stoning to death. This shows a man of incredible sophistication and moderation ... not the kind of rampaging fanatic mullah people like Asif Naqsh want to make him into...

I must say I am not shocked though ...Remember these same revisionists tried to make a mullah even out of the ham-eating whisky-drinking Jinnah who died only 55 years ago... so what did we expect from them? Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) is the founder of Islam and who died 1400 years ago?... ofcourse they want to exploit him for their own personal agendas.

-YLH

The Right To Bigotry

Rsaxena,

Oh wow So you (a mighty ivy leaguer) finally came across Einstein`s statement about the great and one true God almighty aka Gandhi? I think Arjunm answered your question even if he did so in sarcasm...

By the way your predilection to irrelevancy never ceases to amaze me ... now Gandhi, whatever his achievements and claim to fame (I hope and pray that it is not simply because Dr.King and Einstein said so and so about gandhiji) has nothing to do with the fact that you think `Pakistan is geographically too thin a country to have daylight savings time`... the fact is that you need to have some more of that iodized salt... I fear that the deficiency permanently voided your brain cells (which might be the reason why you are starting with the Gandhi hagiography on this board).



fawad,

Yaar I have been busy with a lot of things... plus my email accounts were wiped out ....

`South Asianism` isn`t making inroads into Pakistan nor in the US... Pakistanis are a proud people who believe in peace and prosperity of all of the world, and with these bombings in Pakistan which destroy our commerce, and in India which end up making the legitimate Kashmir cause look bad... Pakistanis are becoming more and more weary of the `Jihadist` mentality cultivated by an unelected leadership in the 1980s... True Liberalism is now making inroads in Pakistan.

You have to realize that Pakistan exists and by that virtue it is a concrete reality which can`t be harmed by ideologies... No one is going to subvert our sovereignty, be they Arabs, Afghans or Indians...

You can`t make a judgement based on experiences with a bunch of uneducated losers of Pakistani origin from New Jersey... the Problem with New Jersey`s Pakistanis is not `South Asianism`... it is Islamism... it is their tendency to lick the ugly arab behinds... that is the problem.. which Pakistanis there have to deal with...

Dear Arjunm,

``the chances of the RSS being banned in the US are less than the chances of romair actually wearing a tshirt with a paki flag and roaming the streets of nyc.``

I am sorry I don`t understand this statement... I don`t about Romair but I wear my Pakistani shirt with my name Yasser on the back(I even attended a Israel solidarity rally with that shirt) everywhere including NYC (and unlike you would like to believe, I still have a valid visa status in the US if I wish to return)... Perhaps you didn`t realize but Pakistani flags were flying over town hall on 2nd May this year when Junoon played there... infact the only responses I got were `Your President seems to be a very decent man` in response to which I explained that Musharraf was a Military dictator and that there were many others equally or even more decent leaders in Pakistan...

Anyway... must you always be so negative about Pakistan? Did you read my post addressed to you on the other board?

-YLH

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Dear Humsab,

If indeed that is your view of Sadna, I most regretfully inform you that not only are you blindfolded, but I think you haven`t seen what she has written in the past...

Sadna`s `not-so-strong` words contain a vitriolic diatribe against Pakistan full of lies and abuse. Even on this board she is the one who started the barrage of abuse by calling Pakistan a `sick country`. When I responded by reminding her that by the standards she is applying, her country ie India is even sicker since it puts on a hypocritical facade, she claimed that I am `compulsively abusive` and unable to handle disagreement. She is neither very intelligent nor very well read... all she is well versed in is the Indian Government propaganda unleashed against Pakistan.. And please Rsaxena can hardly be an example for anyone. He is a typical obstructionist.

-YLH

The Right To Bigotry Dear Sadna and Jay,

Given your obsession with Pakistan, and your willingness to take the official line, are you aware of the possibilities young and enterprising Hinduvtists like yourself in the US might have?

This only goes to show that the `evil` Pakistan`s enemies are also the enemies of true Indian secularism (if there is such a thing).

http://www.dawn.com/2002/08/06/letted.htm#2

Fund raising abroad for RSS

The Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS), Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP), the Bajrang Dal, and other Hindu extremist organizations, collectively known as the Sangh Parivar, are utilizing religion to foment communal violence towards organizing ultra right, non-secular and undemocratic nationalism in India.

Minorities in contemporary India are becoming the evil `other` that must be annihilated or assimilated. For those of us not explicitly under attack, it is time to examine our privilege and use it to empower the conscience of a democratic and secular India.

Hindu fundamentalism is well funded by Indians abroad. These organizations receive substantial contributions from Hindus in the United States and elsewhere. The Outlook magazine in its July 22 issue published an article by A.K. Sen, titled, Deflections to the right highlighting a component of the chain of funding that sustains Hindu extremism.

The article states that the India Development and Relief Fund (IDRF) is one of the more conspicuous charity organizations that raises funds in the United States to support RSS battalions in India. The IDRF lists Sewa International as its counterpart in India. Sewa International and the various organizations that it oversees receive over two-thirds of IDRF funding.

In the United States, where substantial funding is raised for Hindu extremist agendas, the government must act to ensure that organizations that broker terror should not continue to enjoy their non-profit status within the country.

It is interesting that in 1999, the VHP failed to gain recognition at the United Nations as `a cultural organisation` because of its philosophical underpinnings. However, the VHP of America is an independent charity registered in the United States in the 1970s, where it has received funds from a variety of individuals and organizations.

Non-resident Indians and Americans of Indian descent must examine the politics of hate encouraged by extremist Hindu organizations in the name of charity and social work. Indians, one of the most financially successful groups in the United States, must take seriously their moral obligation to ensure that their dollars are not funding malice and scrutinize the organizations that are on the receiving end in India.

ANGANA CHATTERJI

San Francisco, USA

The Right To Bigotry rsaxena,

You`ll have me `bleating` ha ha ... dream on. First try to understand that DST is not dependant on latitudes...

Then speak of `bleating` anyone ok?

jay,

I usually ignore your nonsense given that you are an uneducated fool who is utterly obsessed with Pakistan: `Pakistan is geographically too thin a country to have Daylight savings time`.

To illustrate my `alleged` obsession with India you speak of my Sher Shah Suri article. A few days ago the very moderate Irfan Hussain mentioned Sher Shah as an example for all rulers who wish to do good for their people. Is he obsessed with India too... Sher Shah Suri was also a ruler of what is now Pakistan in case you forgot. His GT Road goes all the way to Attock in case you didn`t know... he built a beautiful fort near Jehlum which he named after Rohtas, his fort in Bengal... and his public work programmes like Bowlies he built along roadsides and trees that he planted still have remains in Pakistan. If by mentioning the fact that certain Hinduvtists are planning on destroying his mausoleum is being obsessed with India... then what will you call your 24/7 lies and accusations against Pakistan?

Tilak and Gokhale were identified as Political mentors by Mohammed Ali Jinnah who is Pakistan`s founder... Jinnah was the hired counsel for Tilak almost everytime he got arrested... and the freedom struggle isn`t your monopoly. If I choose to write about Tilak and gokhale ... it is my decision and that has nothing to do with India... remember I am didn`t write an article called `Advani and Vajpayee`.

So why don`t you shut up and give your perverse logic and stop obsessing over Pakistan and Pakistanis... instead do something to alleviate the tremendous hardship of those poor and destitute people called the Indians especially those who are burnt alive because of their religion?

-YLH

ps: Is it really your creed to put everything in reverse... for example the other Pakistan-obsessed loser Sadna started cursing at Pakistan and when I responded in kind, she blissfuly informed me that I am a `compulsive abusive` ... check out her recent farcial attempt to prove that she is not obsessed with Pakistan...

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Not only has Sadna failed to answer very specific and pertinent questions I raised to which she responded in her typical `i will not play because you are unfair` whining... but she has also failed to show me how I am `compulsively abusive` when she is the one who started with the `sick country` business, and how am I intolerant of disagreement, when I am having a perfectly fine and civilized disagreement with three other Indians ie Dost Mittar, Layman and Hum Sab....

Is this all she has to show? Other than accusations, strawman fallacies and lies coupled with perverse logic (like my support of the right of self determination according to the UN resolutions is some how analogous to Imran Khan`s alleged support for the Taliban or that I somehow support militancy in Kashmir) On the other hand we have people like Roohi who keep saying that Aisha has an imbalanced view and that Aisha propagates hate when Aisha speaks of being `tolerant of other peoples` beliefs` while people like Sadna who are utterly intolerant and bigoted in their approach to Pakistan and India matters are left alone to do as they please.

-YLH

The Right To Bigotry

Dear Saxena Bhaijaan,

1) I am not changing my story. I am simply saying that a young and healthy gentleman like yourself who agrees with Mr.Jay`s claim that `Pakistan geographically too thin a country to have DST` should eat more iodized salt.

2) It is amazing how even though I seldom write and when I write it is seldom about India, I am accused of being obsessed with India, a proposterous idea... but the likes of Sadna, the sorry-a$$ losers who make it to some how blame Pakistan for all the ills in the world are not at all Pakistan obsessed are they?

Perhaps its time we realized who is obsessed with what... On the other board your illustrious countrywoman kept whining about how Pakistan was a sick country ... but when I countered her with an insult on similar lines about her country ... she claimed that I was `compulsively abusive`.

What is this hypocrisy?

-YLH

PS: Like I have said in the past... and many of your saner countrymen agree that I am not the one who initiates insults. If you can`t handle the insults in response ... don`t insult the other person in the first place.

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Dear Dost Mittar,

Just on that last post... you certainly have the right to view history your own way, but simply saying that the Jallianwallah massacre happened will not prove that the Congress made head way in Punjab...

Both League and the Congress could pull sizeable crowds even in the 1930s (and remember jallianwallah crowd was only a 1000 or so people who butchered by that remorseless man)... but Congress didn`t win any major victories in Punjab... nor did the League... Both of them were all India parties with an Independence agenda on their manifestoes ... so they were inimical to the interests of Unionists... the Cry of socialism nor that of Indo-Muslim Nationalism didn`t go down well with the Punjabi Landlord who was a loyalist through and through and was opposed to any mass movement... but it was the cry of Pakistan which permanently disrupted their constituency...

You speak of Jinnah making the pact with the feudal... I don`t think that is true... when Sikandar Hayat refused to take the party line, he was thrown out of the League... even Begum Jahanara Shahnawaz was made an example of... it might be true that Muslims, especially the Punjabis, till then and even now are essentially a feudal society... but like I said before Jinnah informed very well the all the Maulanas, Sirdars, and the Feudals who the daddy was... it was his death which brought about the feudals back where they didn`t belong ....

-YLH

What it means to be me in Corporate America? INDIAN IRONY...

Isay Kehtay hain, chori aur phir seena Zori... I was having a civilized discussion when Ms.Sadna started with her garbage about `Sick` country.. and now she is accusing me of being `Compulsively Abusive`. If you can`t handle being called a `Pakistan-Obsessed loser` than cease and desist with derogatory comments like `Sick` country or else don`t whine about Compulsive abuse...

Indian Theory: When you can`t talk logically, start lying. Well done Sadna.

What it means to be me in Corporate America? Hum Sab,

``Good post. Now, give yourself a pat on your back from my side. Are you preparing to fight election this time or next time?Best of luck. Do well in life and make your parents and your country proud of you.``

I thankyou for your wishes and compliments... I am only 22 so i don`t know about contesting elections right now though... but I do plan to one day.

Perhaps you can also explain the first part to Ms Sadna as well, who loves calling other countries `sick` but when some responds she claims that I am `compulsively abusive` and `can`t handle disagreement`... Ladies and gentlemen is there no sense of fairness left? If Sadna or anyone will curse at Pakistan I will respond in full force... then don`t scream `compulsive abusive` nonsense. Really this is what you get for being civilized with scum like Sadna. Don`t I have the right to respond in kind when some pathetic Pakistan-obsessed loser like Sadna calls Pakistan a `Sick country` ??? Simply because she can`t argue on logic??

Dost Mittar,

That also a point of view and there are many things you hold are true... however history has a rich blend... and it gets richer with diverse points of view...

Thanks for that excellent post.

-YLH

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Sadna and her aliases,

¡§Who is Emma Duncan? Another Joe Smush South Asia expert I guess.¡¨

Yes ¡K anyone who says anything remotely nice about Pakistan is a Joe Smush¡K while anyone who recognizes Pakistan for the evil it is, is a Gospel of truth¡K that¡¦s Indian objectivity for you!

¡§I am not an illegal immigrant in your sick country¡¨

Ah back to name calling are we now? And I am glad¡K we don¡¦t want hate mongers like you anyway.. ƒº ¡K by the way have you considered what is a really and truly sick country? A country in which thousands of innocents are burnt alive for their faith¡K a country which elects a Hindu fundamentalist party to government, a country which makes nuclear weapons and ICBMs while hundreds of millions of its citizens live in deplorable conditions, a country which starts a nuclear arms race to the detriment of 1.5 billion people of South Asia¡K ? Which occupies a foreign land and denies the people their basic human right .. the right to determine their own collective destiny¡K that my dear is the truly sick country. So lets not go into the question of sickness¡K ok?

And all those Indians who will now emerge to condemn me¡K Please recognize that I am not the one who used the word ¡¥sick¡¦ first. Obviously I don¡¦t expect any sense of objectivity from any of you.

¡§Get your friends to publish one authoritative report on Indian immigrants in Pakistan, because all this crapping on your part is totally unconvincing.¡¨

Dear Sadna ¡K It is a fact¡K and your accepting not accepting won¡¦t change it. Please take it out of your head that we need to convince some life-less Pakistan-obsessed loser sitting in Southern New Jersey on her computer 24/7 dishing out BJP garbage. We just don¡¦t have time to waste on you.

¡§why they were so stupid as to leave the `local America`.¡¨

Again: I didn¡¦t call Pakistan the Local America nor do I consider it one¡K Emma Duncan did. Take this issue up with her and not me. However what might be local America for the poor and destitute people of India might not be so for the people of Pakistan ¡K have you considered that everyone seeks a better lifestyle than he/she has? Why did you leave that heaven on earth for America¡¦s armpit New Jersey?

¡§And if Pakistan continues to foment violence in Kashmir or elsewhere in India, India is sure to retaliate with RAW-inspired violence in Pakistan to show Pakistani leaders that the same sponsored-violence card can be played the other way too.¡¨

That is a matter of opinion isn¡¦t it¡K Historically speaking India set out as early as 1947 to destabilize Pakistan ¡K by all means financially, morally, socially and through violent means¡K your deputy Prime Minister was one of the plotters in the attempted Murder of the first Governor General of Pakistan¡K India actively supplied dissidents in Bengal, and then in Baluchistan with weapons when both of these places weren¡¦t even disputed.. and India was behind ethnic and sectarian violence all over Pakistan even before it started pointing fingers at Pakistan for Kashmir.. Secondly Kashmir is disputed by all parties and there are UN resolutions on it. Are there any UN resolutions on Say Karachi? Besides only a fool motivated by ultra-nationalistic BS put out by the Indian media would suggest that all violence in Kashmir is Pakistan sponsored and none of it is indigenous¡K even though none of the Kashmiris want anything to do with you?

Its amazing how the Pakistani leadership speaking of peace and dialogue is ¡¥Sir Phira¡¦ while the war mongering Indian leadership is giving ¡¥peace a chance¡¦. How delusional can one be? Reminds me of that fascinatingly true article by Farzana Versey¡K ¡¥Gandhi¡¦s Progeny¡¦. It is amazing that now the will of the Kashmiri people is to be ascertained through ¡¥Mori.com¡¦ wonderful¡K Your logic never ceases to amaze me. Also it is amazing that the ¡¥Indian Embassy¡¦ website is being quoted as the objective source on the Azad Kashmir Government ¡K which is an elected government of the people, no matter how you would like to twist the facts¡K

As for your own selective interpretation of the UN Security council resolutions¡K allow me to inform you that your argument is childish to say the least. The Resolutions have a few fundamental premises: 1) Kashmir is a disputed territory 2) Plebiscite to ascertain whether the Kashmiris will go to Pakistan or India will happen. India doesn¡¦t accept Premise 1¡K hence there is no point of Pakistan allowing AJK to be brought under Indian occupation.

¡§You seem blissfully unaware that the present head of government in PoK is a Musharraf appointee from the Army (according to Pakistani newspapers) and the powers of govt in any case are held by a bureacrat in Islamabad.¡¨

You have a very fertile imagination. I know of Bangladeshi newspapers who say Sheikh Hasina Wajid was a stooge of Indian government¡K does that make it true?

This following statement made my day¡K it shows me that you are mentally unbalanced and completely incapable of making a worthwhile argument¡K

¡§Your statements also remind me of Pakistanis who kept saying pre Sept 11 that Afghans `deserve` a government like the Taliban, in order to justify Pakistan sending jihadis and helping Taliban militarily until US forced Pakistan to pull out in Oct 2001. Afghans have died through Pakistani hands due to these `insights`. Doesn`t Imran Khan still say that Afghans will yet welcome the Taliban back? Kashmiris are similarly dying through Pakistani jihadi hands.¡¨

1)How is my asking for the right of self determination for the kashmiri people in anyway similar to the statement that afghans deserve a government like taliban? This shows how far Indian bigots are willing to go to misuse and abuse the legitimate war on terrorism for their own petty and stupid little ends¡K have you no shame at all?

2) Are you assuming that I am pro-Militancy in Kashmir? Then you are wrong¡K I believe in a constitutional struggle for independence personally where the Hurriyet Conference should contest the elections, win them, and then not take oath on the Indian constitution and declare their independence as the elected representatives of Kashmir. Ofcourse to do this, the elections will have to be monitored by International observers which India is opposed to precisely because it plans to rig those elections¡K since the Kashmiri people have decided to boycott the elections I respect their decision.

3) How is Imran Khan related to all of this?

4) Are you assuming that a) all militants in Kashmir are Pakistanis? b) No Kashmiris have been murdered in cold blood by the great and humanistic army of India?

If the answer to 4(a) and 4(b) is yes¡K then one can safely assume that you are no impartial and objective observer¡K but rather someone who is taking a blatantly ultra-nationalistic BJP/Advani line¡K hence you are an in the closet BJP supporter. Furthermore you don¡¦t even have a kernel of objectivity ¡K ofcourse (and this one is for Roohi) I have been more than critical of the Jehadi tanzeems who have hijacked the legitimate struggle of the Kashmir people for independence¡K which proves that atleast I, an evil Pakistani, am ready to talk peace on realistic terms admitting the horrible mistakes made by my own side, while not surrendering the legitimate issue of Kashmir¡K People like you Sadna are the curse that has come to haunt Pakistan and India¡K I hate Sallahuddin the Kashmiri leader as much as I hate people like you¡K because you are the exact Indian equivalent of Sallahudin in my opinion¡K and debating with you is as fruitless as debating with the local mullah¡K

-YLH

PS: You still haven¡¦t shown me where Emma Duncan says that she has a soft corner for Pakistan as you alleged?

And on the issue of the ¡¥White skin¡¦¡K none of it was an insult¡K but the way you sanctimoniously try to change the topic is amazing¡K the fact my dear is that you can¡¦t answer logically¡K

What it means to be me in Corporate America? Sadna and her aliases,

¡§Who is Emma Duncan? Another Joe Smush South Asia expert I guess.¡¨

Yes ¡K anyone who says anything remotely nice about Pakistan is a Joe Smush¡K while anyone who recognizes Pakistan for the evil it is, is a Gospel of truth¡K that¡¦s Indian objectivity for you!

¡§I am not an illegal immigrant in your sick country¡¨

Ah back to name calling are we now? And I am glad¡K we don¡¦t want hate mongers like you anyway.. ƒº ¡K by the way have you considered what is a really and truly sick country? A country in which thousands of innocents are burnt alive for their faith¡K a country which elects a Hindu fundamentalist party to government, a country which makes nuclear weapons and ICBMs while hundreds of millions of its citizens live in deplorable conditions, a country which starts a nuclear arms race to the detriment of 1.5 billion people of South Asia¡K ? Which occupies a foreign land and denies the people their basic human right .. the right to determine their own collective destiny¡K that my dear is the truly sick country. So lets not go into the question of sickness¡K ok?

And all those Indians who will now emerge to condemn me¡K Please recognize that I am not the one who used the word ¡¥sick¡¦ first. Obviously I don¡¦t expect any sense of objectivity from any of you.

¡§Get your friends to publish one authoritative report on Indian immigrants in Pakistan, because all this crapping on your part is totally unconvincing.¡¨

Dear Sadna ¡K It is a fact¡K and your accepting not accepting won¡¦t change it. Please take it out of your head that we need to convince some life-less Pakistan-obsessed loser sitting in Southern New Jersey on her computer 24/7 dishing out BJP garbage. We just don¡¦t have time to waste on you.

¡§why they were so stupid as to leave the `local America`.¡¨

Again: I didn¡¦t call Pakistan the Local America nor do I consider it one¡K Emma Duncan did. Take this issue up with her and not me. However what might be local America for the poor and destitute people of India might not be so for the people of Pakistan ¡K have you considered that everyone seeks a better lifestyle than he/she has? Why did you leave that heaven on earth for America¡¦s armpit New Jersey?

¡§And if Pakistan continues to foment violence in Kashmir or elsewhere in India, India is sure to retaliate with RAW-inspired violence in Pakistan to show Pakistani leaders that the same sponsored-violence card can be played the other way too.¡¨

That is a matter of opinion isn¡¦t it¡K Historically speaking India set out as early as 1947 to destabilize Pakistan ¡K by all means financially, morally, socially and through violent means¡K your deputy Prime Minister was one of the plotters in the attempted Murder of the first Governor General of Pakistan¡K India actively supplied dissidents in Bengal, and then in Baluchistan with weapons when both of these places weren¡¦t even disputed.. and India was behind ethnic and sectarian violence all over Pakistan even before it started pointing fingers at Pakistan for Kashmir.. Secondly Kashmir is disputed by all parties and there are UN resolutions on it. Are there any UN resolutions on Say Karachi? Besides only a fool motivated by ultra-nationalistic BS put out by the Indian media would suggest that all violence in Kashmir is Pakistan sponsored and none of it is indigenous¡K even though none of the Kashmiris want anything to do with you?

Its amazing how the Pakistani leadership speaking of peace and dialogue is ¡¥Sir Phira¡¦ while the war mongering Indian leadership is giving ¡¥peace a chance¡¦. How delusional can one be? Reminds me of that fascinatingly true article by Farzana Versey¡K ¡¥Gandhi¡¦s Progeny¡¦. It is amazing that now the will of the Kashmiri people is to be ascertained through ¡¥Mori.com¡¦ wonderful¡K Your logic never ceases to amaze me. Also it is amazing that the ¡¥Indian Embassy¡¦ website is being quoted as the objective source on the Azad Kashmir Government ¡K which is an elected government of the people, no matter how you would like to twist the facts¡K

As for your own selective interpretation of the UN Security council resolutions¡K allow me to inform you that your argument is childish to say the least. The Resolutions have a few fundamental premises: 1) Kashmir is a disputed territory 2) Plebiscite to ascertain whether the Kashmiris will go to Pakistan or India will happen. India doesn¡¦t accept Premise 1¡K hence there is no point of Pakistan allowing AJK to be brought under Indian occupation.

¡§You seem blissfully unaware that the present head of government in PoK is a Musharraf appointee from the Army (according to Pakistani newspapers) and the powers of govt in any case are held by a bureacrat in Islamabad.¡¨

You have a very fertile imagination. I know of Bangladeshi newspapers who say Sheikh Hasina Wajid was a stooge of Indian government¡K does that make it true?

This following statement made my day¡K it shows me that you are mentally unbalanced and completely incapable of making a worthwhile argument¡K

¡§Your statements also remind me of Pakistanis who kept saying pre Sept 11 that Afghans `deserve` a government like the Taliban, in order to justify Pakistan sending jihadis and helping Taliban militarily until US forced Pakistan to pull out in Oct 2001. Afghans have died through Pakistani hands due to these `insights`. Doesn`t Imran Khan still say that Afghans will yet welcome the Taliban back? Kashmiris are similarly dying through Pakistani jihadi hands.¡¨

1)How is my asking for the right of self determination for the kashmiri people in anyway similar to the statement that afghans deserve a government like taliban? This shows how far Indian bigots are willing to go to misuse and abuse the legitimate war on terrorism for their own petty and stupid little ends¡K have you no shame at all?

2) Are you assuming that I am pro-Militancy in Kashmir? Then you are wrong¡K I believe in a constitutional struggle for independence personally where the Hurriyet Conference should contest the elections, win them, and then not take oath on the Indian constitution and declare their independence as the elected representatives of Kashmir. Ofcourse to do this, the elections will have to be monitored by International observers which India is opposed to precisely because it plans to rig those elections¡K since the Kashmiri people have decided to boycott the elections I respect their decision.

3) How is Imran Khan related to all of this?

4) Are you assuming that a) all militants in Kashmir are Pakistanis? b) No Kashmiris have been murdered in cold blood by the great and humanistic army of India?

If the answer to 4(a) and 4(b) is yes¡K then one can safely assume that you are no impartial and objective observer¡K but rather someone who is taking a blatantly ultra-nationalistic BJP/Advani line¡K hence you are an in the closet BJP supporter. Furthermore you don¡¦t even have a kernel of objectivity ¡K ofcourse (and this one is for Roohi) I have been more than critical of the Jehadi tanzeems who have hijacked the legitimate struggle of the Kashmir people for independence¡K which proves that atleast I, an evil Pakistani, am ready to talk peace on realistic terms admitting the horrible mistakes made by my own side, while not surrendering the legitimate issue of Kashmir¡K People like you Sadna are the curse that has come to haunt Pakistan and India¡K I hate Sallahuddin the Kashmiri leader as much as I hate people like you¡K because you are the exact Indian equivalent of Sallahudin in my opinion¡K and debating with you is as fruitless as debating with the local mullah¡K

-YLH

PS: You still haven¡¦t shown me where Emma Duncan says that she has a soft corner for Pakistan as you alleged?And on the issue of the ¡¥White skin¡¦¡K none of it was an insult¡K but the way you sanctimoniously try to change the topic (and attribute utter nonsense to me) is amazing¡K the fact my dear is that you can¡¦t answer logically¡K so you decide to make up lies about me.

The Right To Bigotry Dearest Saxena,

The article in question was about DST. The discussion was about DST. Now only an idiot would write the post that you did… or perhaps you thought Time Zones somehow determined the DST in which case you still qualify to be an idiot, since countries like UK are even thinner than Pakistan.

In any event, you should eat iodized salt.

Sincerely

Your friend and well wisher

-YLH