What it means to be me in Corporate America? Isn’t amazing that some of the self proclaimed know alls, and brightest minds like Mr.Mishra are unable to grasp the simple mistake, that consummate liar Ganguly made? If he actually took the pin out of the grenade why is he still alive???? How bone headed can one be to not get something so simple?

Anyway moving on …

In her book ‘Breaking the Curfew’, Emma Duncan is critical of everything about Pakistan (except perhaps Jinnah whom she holds in great esteem), yet she writes :

‘Because Pakistan’s relative prosperity has made it the local America, Karachi is stiff with illegal immigrants’. (Page 168 Breaking the Curfew Arrow Books)

Perhaps now Saxena will inform us of how Emma Duncan like countless authors in the west is on Pakistan’s payroll…

Anyway granted that this book was written more than a decade ago, but I have seen the constant flow of illegal immigrant scum from our neighboring countries, including India for the sake of employment … Then Please explain why do some of you attack Pakistan so violently, when your own poor and underprivileged run to it for prosperity?

You know… we are ready to accept immigrants from Bangladesh… they are our brothers and a friendly country… we are even ready to accept immigrants from Iran… I have my reservations about Afghanistan… but why are the illegal immigrants from India flowing in, when they hate us so much as to lie about us constantly… Perhaps next time before they call us the ‘thuggish republic’, people like P-Mishra should go to India and stop the hordes and hordes of scum from their country from crossing over into Pakistan and live off of our money. Thanks to the utter nonsense spouted by this brainless bugger on this board, I am sure all of you can assume what I will do if I happen to find an illegal Indian immigrant in Pakistan.

Yours sincerely

Yasser Hamdani

What it means to be me in Corporate America? Dear aNny

``Secondly meri pyaari behen, Pakistan is a living breathing country where people sleep, eat, bake brownies, plant flowers, fall in love, have cute babies with curly hair, give exams, dance, scream at the babies, grow and cook bhindi, cry, read books and sometimes burn those brownies- nobody can change that. It`s not some kohkaafesque, rusting, afghanistan like place no matter how hard anyone may try to make it appear so- we are a running, functioning, very throbbing country. I feel silly saying this but frankly my dear, being away, you sound in very bad need of reassurances. Pakistan was made and weather anybody likes it or not, it is here to stay.``

I know you probably don`t want to hear this from me of all people since you hate me and all... but I just wanted to thankyou for writing this paragraph... Pakistan is a dynamic country which needs no rescuing... those who think it is a failed state should keep living in their fool`s paradise...

Anyway .. Thankyou so much

-A Pakistani

What it means to be me in Corporate America? A bit of News: Gary Ackerman, a well known anti Pakistan congressmen and known for his extremely pro-India stance, recently told the US President that Pakistan is a Moderate country where no Islamic Parties have ever won elections.. and that its citizens want a modern democratic and progressive state... I believe his exact words were `Whoever says Musharraf`s replacement will be worse hasn`t read Pakistan`s History. No Islamic Party has ever won any elections in Pakistan. The Pakistani People want a Moderate democratic state`.

Maybe we bought him too? What say you oh great P-mishra...

Ladies and gentlemen,

Much mockery has been made of my comment about my father offering me a job... as a background let me explain to those non-cynical people who are actually interested in not making a mockery. My father`s business is the leasing of Vehicles (heavy and light)... to both privately and publicly owned firms...

My father`s business had suffered huge blows since the ill advised 1998 nuclear tests... So to supplement that he would have asked me to work in a multinational.. but he didn`t. The demand is unusually high which indicates high CONSUMER SPENDING... perhaps the IVY LEAGUERERS like Mr. Saxena and Arjunm can`t really discern that logic... but that is how Economics works.. Perhaps it would help to realize that consumer goods often become the base for Economic indicators... for example (and this is an example only) `INFLATION` index is set according to basket of daily goods like soap and ata etc...

If a `technical evaluation` is what Mr.Saxena and his likes want (though it is a known fact that technical evaluation is based on a Macro assessment of Micro factors like the one I MENTIONED, or do they not teach that in IVY LEAGUE schools) ... Pakistan`s Forex reserves are above 6 billion, the Dollar has steadied at 59/60 to the Rupee which means a consistent gain of ground for the Pakistan rupee... infact had it not been for the selling of dollars by the state bank (done to preserve the EXPORTS) The dollar would have gone to 55 ... which is a huge gain for the Pak-Rupee which was at 67 a year ago...

The annual growth rate was steady at 3.6 (as opposed to 3.3 forecasted) jumping up from the all time low of 2. something last year... Projected Growth rate is at 4.6... though it is not like our all time high which was close to 7, it shows a long term growth...

You can see this actually taking place on ground the way my father`s business is booming again.. but that sadly will be lost on those who suffer from iodine deficiency.

-YLH

What it means to be me in Corporate America? Dear Arjunm,

Has it occured to you why exactly you decided to attack me personally and lie about me, when I hadn`t said so much as a word against you... Has it occured you that why I, who returned to this board, after such an absence became a target of your misdirected wrath?

Is it really a crime to love one`s country, to be proud of it, and to call out people like Ganguly for what they are? Please tell me what else am I supposed to say about someone who claims to have taken `the pin out of the grenade to make it safe`? Won`t you call such a person a liar? and an obnoxious bigoted one at that ... for he is lying on the National Public Radio...

Please show me one instance where I have attacked someone simply for loving India? I always appreciated those who are patriotic to their country (which ever one) and really want to do well for it... It is amazing how I have managed to incur the wrath of you people just for my own beliefs and convictions... P-Mishra hates me because I don`t like Gandhi... You hate me because I admire Jinnah.. Rsaxena hates me because I am a Pakistani...

If `Divine-Comedy` wishes to put up a series of favorable comments about Jinnah from a website.. You object because `its some dude on a website`.. if someone quotes Wolpert, Hodson, RajMohan Gandhi, or Bernard Lewis on Jinnah... you say `so what... the common people don`t know about Jinnah`... so whats the standard? Why do you keep asking about the Movie... Haven`t I given you the Block buster website and Movie list atleast 10 times... ? Is it my fault that a certain group of thugs amongst Pakistanis decided to shelf the movie for their own reasons ? Coming to Divine Comedy (me) ... where in that post is there anything against India or Gandhi?

You people just attack for the sake of attacking.. what do you achieve? What deep rooted inferiority/superiority complex did calling me `Deported paki` fulfil? Had I not said since 1999 that I will leave the US once I am done with my studies? I didn`t fall out of status one day.. I was meticuluous in my legal requirement. My visa doesn`t expire till October... so if a bunch of illegal Pakistani aliens are deported from US does it mean everyone returning to his or her own country is a `deportee`...? Could it not be that some of us just came back because they wanted to be with their parents who are growing old? Or some of us sincerely thought that they could make a difference here in Pakistan?

You keep asking me if I read the article in the nation... so what can I do if Musharraf said this?

Are you going to hold me accountable for what Zia did in the 1980s? is it even your place? Besides Musharraf said a variety of different things to Variety of different magazines.. to Newsweek he said `i want to make a Modern secular state`... Does it mean Musharraf is a Hypocrite or a liar? Perhaps. Does it change my love for Pakistan? No.

You keep repeating the same old same old, about my father offering me a job etc etc... I have explained before and I have explained again in my previous post what I meant by it...

You are no exception. It seems that Indians have a problem with any Pakistani who wants his country to succeed or who can argue on facts. Take P-Mishra for instance... thinking he was Pankaj Mishra the famous writer, I treated him with the utmost respect... but then he showed me his ugly side... and for what ..Bipan Chandra, an indian writer, had called Jinnah one of the ten greatest Indians ... he had also said that Jinnah had organized the League after 1937 around an extreme ideology. But when I quoted him quite accurately as saying that Jinnah was one of the greatest Indians and gave the link with it, Mr.Mishra announced that I had somehow misled everyone... its amazing what a strawman fallacy can do...

Amazingly Mr.Mishra is such a master at this game, that when in response to his constant attacks on the Two Nation theory I point out that his favorite Israel was formed on the basis of `Bi-National principle: Two state solution`, he attacks Pakistan for not being perfect... and accuses me of trying to compare Pakistan with Israel... its amazing, because it is not I who is comparing Pakistan with Israel... it was the founding fathers of Israel who had presented the creation of Pakistan as a precedent in the UN in 1948.... My source of information is an Indian professor from Tel Aviv University. Please be aware... I have no desire to compare Pakistan with anything.. Pakistan is Pakistan...

As a matter of fact let me explicitly declare this the 100th time...

FOR THOSE WHO TAKE UMBRAGE OF COMPARISON BETWEEN LOWLY PAKISTAN AND THAT GREAT JEWISH STATE OF ISRAEL... I WANT TO SET YOUR FEARS TO REST...

I for one have no Desire in comparing Pakistan to Israel... it was the founding fathers of Israel who had quoted the creation of Pakistan as a precedent for Israel.

Sincerely

Yasser Latif Hamdani

What it means to be me in Corporate America? Dearest P-Mishra,

``What is your point? Do you seriously think there is any connection between the democratic nation of Israel and the thuggish republic of Pakistan?``

To answer your question more specifically, I don`t think I have the patience... cuz anyone who can`t see anything wrong with Sumit Ganguly`s claim (I took the pin out of the grenade to make it safe) is really not very bright is he/she?

However allow me to say that the `connection` was not between Pakistan or Israel, but between the `Two Nation Theory` which is the source of your personal hatred for Pakistan, and the `Bi National principle= two state solution` which is the basis your loveable `Democratic Nation of Israel.`

Nevertheless.. I am sure you are right about the connection between Pakistan and Israel... after all what does the `Jeffe Institute of Strategic studies` Telaviv know? They are only living in Israel. This Jeffe`s Institute of Strategic Studies ISRAEL`s paper on `Pakistan and Israel`...

Beyond the Veil: Pakistan and Israel:

http://216.239.51.100/search?q=cache:uIFVW63cLfcC:www.tau.ac.il/jcss/memoranda/memo55.pdf+Pakistan+and+Israel+clandestine+relations&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

If that doesn`t work ... try this:

www.tau.ac.il/jcss/memoranda/memo55.pdf

Now... I really apologize if my quoting the papers of Jeffe Institute of Strategic studies amounts to Blasphemy for some Indians here...

-YLH

PS : P-Mishra, can I expect more personal insults from you? If so spare them... There is no point in talking to me if you can`t talk on facts.. and given that even a favorable view of Pakistan or Jinnah (Divine-Comedy Post) with absolutely no reference to Gandhi or India can offend you... won`t you say it is fair to call you a Bigot?

What it means to be me in Corporate America? Umer Bhai,

Please don`t bother with Mr.Harimau... this senile uncle was `educated in the time of Nehru` and everything he knows is the `Word of God and Gospel`...

You see... one just can`t fight against claimants of divine will...

What it means to be me in Corporate America? Once again for the `Feeble Minded` perplexed chowkies:

The man of integrity and honesty Sumit Ganguly said on NPR: `I TOOK THE PIN OUT OF THE GRENADE TO MAKE IT SAFE`

Ah poor P-Mishra...

I knew you were uneducated, but now I know you are a soft in the head as well ... anyone who has seen any `American War Movie` or any cheap Indian copy of an American War Movie knows that once you take the PIN out of the Grenade ... IT BLOWS UP.

Mr. Sumit Ganguly claimed that `I took the pin out to make it safe`... Think, or is it alien to Indians? If you still can`t understand how apparent Mr.Ganguly`s lie was... I can only pity you...

I am not going to respond to your `dhimmi` nonsense .. whereas Pakistan is not perfect, only an idiot from across the border would make such a claim... The Point my dear idiot was that people like you have spent so much time deconstructing the two nation theory... but you fail to realize that the Zionist Principle : The Bi-National principle = two state solution... is behind the creation of Israel... Infact as a well known Indian scholar wrote for the Tel Aviv University that the Zionists presented Pakistan as a precedent for the creation of Israel...

Now this is completely unconnected to what you think of Pakistan, because I am not talking about what Pakistan is or isn`t but your own obsession with debunking the already obselete two nation theory. Neither you nor your other unsophisticated friend Mr.Saxena can grasp such a simple point... oh I forgot.. you actually need an IQ to grasp something...



By the way you still haven`t answered the question: How has the author castigated Israel?

Or maybe this is keeping in a longline of baseless accusations that you level against other people (like the one against me earlier)

Rsaxena,

Do you really think any thing you think I said can even hold a candle to tremendously luminous stupidity that you and some of your countrymen (P-Mishra and Jay) possess???

Let me remind you of your (and Jay`s) own claim that Latitudes determine `Daylight savings time` and hence a Pakistan a geographically thin country can never have DST.... remember Bina`s article??

Or P-Mishra`s latest and most outrageous claim that there is nothing wrong with Mr.Ganguly`s integrity if he says : I TOOK THE PIN OUT OF THE GRENADE TO MAKE IT SAFE...

tsk tsk ...

Sadna,

I asked a simple question... you could have done with a simple answer... but I still find it amazing that the British put up statues of known dissidents and freedom fighters like the one true God `Mahatma` Gandhi in public squares... during the 1930s and 1940s, while the Mahatma was doing hard labor in his horrible jail at the Agha Khan palace.

In any event, why will you actually write more about Gujurat, then obsessing about Pakistan?

And about the late and great Dr.Kant... tell me something... are all `followers of Gandhi` big proponents of Nuclear weapons?

Dear ArjunM...

Good News! I just got 5 years multiple visit visas for the United states of America and United Kingdom... not bad for a `deported Paki` is it? Its amazing when I was in the US people like you kept claiming that I had no intention of returning to Pakistan... and when I finally did out of my own conviction, (and also because my F1 Visa was about to expire in October) I am `deported`... You Indians do wish a lot don`t you?

I appreciate your repeated concern for the release of the movie on DVD... owing to its controversial status it was delayed despite the fact that Block Buster had ordered it as early as 1999...

Please search Block Buster website:

http://www.blockbuster.com for `Jinnah`...

Try clicking on this link

http://www.blockbuster.com/bb/movie/details/0,7286,VID-V+++174178,00.html?

And you will find the details...

And this the 10th time you are repeating your questions, and the 10th time I am answering you...

Perhaps you will read it this time... I hope...

-YLH

What it means to be me in Corporate America? Roohi,

I am sure the `Kashmir file` would have disturbed you... after all how could speaking up for the oppressed Kashmiri multitudes living under foreign occupation be as noble as `love peace and ending world`s hunger`....

Well done... I admire your objectivity...

-YLH

What it means to be me in Corporate America?

``Kant, 75, was a stalwart of the freedom movement, and a follower of Gandhi`` Vajpayee..

I am sure he was a great man.. but can anyone explain how old Mr.Kant was when he started working for the freedom movement ... 12?? to become the `Stalwart` that is..? since he was only 20 when the British finally left?

-YLH

What it means to be me in Corporate America? P-mishra #4

``The funniest part of your article is complaining about Sumit Ganguly. Here is an individual who came to the US in the 70`s, when India and Indians were a complete unknowns. Here is an individual who has risen to the highest levels of scholarship in his field purely through his own efforts.``

Really we can`t give two sh-ts about what your precious Mr.Sumit Ganguly achieved... here is an individual well known for his bigoted bakwas against Pakistan... I have met him and I know what kind of an individual he is...

Case in Point: Ganguly`s Interview with NPR...

(Recollected from memory)

Ganguly: ``I bought a grenade in a bazaar in Peshawar.. but don`t worry I took the pin out to make it safe..``

(Since you seem to be cut from the same cloth as Mr.Ganguly and will sooner or later attempt the same nonsense, a word of advice: Little knowledge is dangerous... Please read Mr.Ganguly`s statement, and see how utterly pathetic liars like him are... if you wanna lie, atleast don`t make stupid mistakes)

I rest my case as far as Mr.Ganguly`s INTEGRITY is concerned... perhaps like most things, the word integrity has a different meaning in India then the conventional one that the world accepts... anyone who has listened to Mr.Ganguly`s interviews knows better...

``and the castigation of india and israel.``

I wonder how the Author`s harmless sentence can be taken as a `Castigation` of Israel or India for that matter:

to quote Ms.Sarwari

A friend from India emailed and said, “Israel has made it. India is moving fast in this polar world. Pakistan is nowhere in the race.

Please explain how this is a castigation....?

Perhaps the greatest Irony of our times is that those like the clown in reply 4 who spend countless hours on this website debunking the now obsolete two nation theory have the greatest desire to somehow pair India up with a self proclaimed jewish state based on a Zionist `Bi-

national = two states` principle... what a dressing down...

I say ..Well done Israel... that tiny jewish nation of 8 million has put the mighty `secular` and `multicultural` 1 billion strong India in its place...

Long Live Israel...!!! I salute thee..

What it means to be me in Corporate America?

Samina

I apologize...

I seem to have been quick to attack you in my last post... I just didn`t read your post carefuly...

I profousely apologize...

Sincerely

Yasser

What it means to be me in Corporate America?

Saminashah #1

`Pakistani Muslims`

Has it occured to you that perhaps there are a few Pakistanis out there who might feel lonely as as `Pakistanis` and not as `Pakistani Muslims`?? Pakistanis who don`t wish to join up with their Arabs or Indians in some kind of collective identity and simply be known as Pakistanis? Do we not have the right to be Humans and Pakistanis if we so choose? Is it not a fundamental right guaranteed to us by the UN`s Human Rights Charter?

It is amazing how to discredit a valid point people like you choose to add the term `Muslim` at the end? Not that I am ashamed of being a Muslim, I am proud of my faith... as everyone should be proud of their faith,... but See I am now beginning to understand fully your strategy... but I have faced you before... despite knowing that I have only spoken of a simple Pakistani identity, you declared rather shamelessly that I want to adopt an An Arab Muslim identity....

I am not forcing my `Belligerant Nationalism` on you... but have the decency to accept my right and that of Ms. Sarwari to be a Pakistani and Pakistani alone... with my American education, my fondness for Guitar instead of Sitar, and my utter an absolute dislike for any traditional `South Asian Music`, ... I really don`t believe that other than my race I have anything in common with `South Asia`... And I don`t particularly believe in racial bonds (I am a Pakistani because I was born as a Pakistani and I hold a green passport issued by the blessing of the President of Pakistan and I live in Lahore...) so will you deny me my human right to be whatever I want to be?

Sincerely

A Human Being and a Pakistani

Yasser Latif Hamdani

What it means to be me in Corporate America?

Saminashah #1

`Pakistani Muslims`

Has it occured to you that perhaps there are a few Pakistanis out there who might feel lonely as as `Pakistanis` and not as `Pakistani Muslims`?? Pakistanis who don`t wish to join up with their Arabs or Indians in some kind of collective identity and simply be known as Pakistanis? Do we not have the right to be Humans and Pakistanis if we so choose? Is it not a fundamental right guaranteed to us by the UN`s Human Rights Charter?

It is amazing how to discredit a valid point people like you choose to add the term `Muslim` at the end? Not that I am ashamed of being a Muslim, I am proud of my faith... as everyone should be proud of their faith,... but See I am now beginning to understand fully your strategy... but I have faced you before... despite knowing that I have only spoken of a simple Pakistani identity, you declared rather shamelessly that I want to adopt an An Arab Muslim identity....

I am not forcing my `Belligerant Nationalism` on you... but have the decency to accept my right and that of Ms. Sarwari to be a Pakistani and Pakistani alone... with my American education, my fondness for Guitar instead of Sitar, and my utter an absolute dislike for any traditional `South Asian Music`, ... I really don`t believe that other than my race I have anything in common with `South Asia`... and I am a Pakistani because I was born as a Pakistani and I hold a green passport issued by the blessing of

Shadowlines (Part I)

Obsession with the past is our nation`s excess baggage (or should I say garbage).. be it the obsession with the 7th century ... or obsession with the jamias of India (or for that matter nostalgia for hisab-teaching pandits of India). Mian rehan ansari... a word of advice: Instead of worrying about the Indian Muslims, gujurat, healing the `wounds of partition`, and teaching stupid courses on Indian cinema in garbage institutions like New School.. how about you did something more productive.. like paying attention to the problems of Pakistan right now?

We tend to over-intellectualize everything... I mean.. give me a break... I was born in Lahore Pakistan.. I really don`t care about the Indian Muslims, or the saffron brigade`s excesses... I couldn`t less about the philosophical meaning behind Madhuri`s thumka ... or any art movies for that matter... I really don`t care for making people to people contacts with the everyday Indians... I wish them a happy life... but I don`t wish to obsess about them... I have no desire to take trains from Bombay to Dehli, or date women who look like Waheeda Rehman... aisa farigh waqt kisi kay pass nahin hai... Forget Gujurat... Our concern should be Meerowallah, Jaranwallah, and numerous panchiyats we have allowed to operate in our country... I`d rather save Pakistani Women from getting gang raped than worry about Indian Muslims...

For a developing (Political and otherwise) nation, gifted writers, philosophers etc should be encouraged to lead the nation towards a cohesive manifest destiny of a Democratic progressive egalitarian and just society ... we need men and women like Tagore, Syed Ahmed Khan, Namik, Gokalp, Iqbal, Faiz, Halide Edib, etc... Instead we have people like Mr.Ansari.. who are reminiscent of the men like Ghalib, Dagh etc.. Gifted no doubt, intellectual without question, but productive NO!!

NOTE:

Like the famous saying goes.. `I dislike what you say, but I will defend the your right to say it`... I support Mr.Ansari`s right to utter as much garbage as he pleases...

Kashmir Fatigue

Dost mittar..

You spoke of BJP`s pride in its inaction in Gujurat... perhaps you would shed some light on secular Congress`s pride in its action in Amritsar in 1984?

Indira Gandhi was after all Nehru`s daughter.. but then even a true secularist like Nehru wasn`t above making the deals with the devil .. after all who reincarnated the ghost of Hinduvta by ordering the the rebuilding of the Somnath temple?

-YLH

Kashmir Fatigue Fawad,

More speculation eh... The `chick` you met was my

friend and sociologist from Calcutta, Alpina, who had interviewed me for her thesis on South Asian Muslims... for my unique perspective...

Sadna is an apparently sophisticated and highly respectable engineer... it is her caustic and ill-founded views that give her true personality away... I am personally not in favor of arguing with her... Some peoples are beyond redemption... some Indians figure prominently... As for culture... Like I explained on the other board... Pakistan doesn`t need a cultural, religious or ideological justification since it is a fact of life and it exists... Also that perhaps you would like to watch some indigenous Pakistani channels like Indus vision, Indus Music etc.. to find out what Pakistani culture is..

Pakistan has a great Pre-Islamic, Islamic, Mughal and Sikh heritage which has created a profound sense of cultural identity which is distinctly Pakistani..

-YLH