The Burden of Virginity Whenever there is any criticism of the army, apologists like Field Marshal in waiting ROmair and hobbyty jump in enumerating in great detail the evils of politicians like NS and Benazir and at the same time demand a constitutional rule for the army in the government. The view is highly flawed because it tries to justify a wrong practice by discrediting another wrong practice.

A country always gets the leadership it deserves. The view that NS and his likes do not represent the ordinary Pakistani and need a higher life form(Generals) to guide them smacks of ignorance bordering on arrogance. Barring some isolated pockets, Pakistan is still a very primitive society and it elects people according to primitive laws of land-ownership and tribal affiliations. Even NS I would argue is a true representative of the area he represented in the parliament(Gowalmandi). He probably understands the concerns of the average ``Butt`` better than all the super Generals combined. Doubting that is an indictment of the political process they call representative democracy. At least come out and openly admit it. Invest in improving literacy levels, remove the Mullah from the center stage and the level of leadership one gets at the local level will improve automatically.

The leadership at the highest level even in highly developed democracies of the west comes from a very elite class that is very different from the leadership at the local levels. Even the average congressman or Senator in the US is not an intellectual fountainhead. These people are more interested in the welfare of their local precincts and lining the pockets of their lackeys and their constituents than in setting shining fortresses of democracy.

I`ve argued before that the Army does not fit the profile for providing leadership, intellectual or otherwise at the highest levels of political governance. This task has to be undertaken by the resident civilian elite in Paksitan. Bhutto probably had the best chance of asserting the civilian dominance. Something which he sadly squandered in grandoise fashion. The army as it is now will never reform itself till the point that external pressures and internal economic malaise result in a massive civilian uprising. The scenario may seem far-fetched but its not improbabale given the day-by-day deteriorating lot of the common man. Who will fill the power vacuum? The mullahs or the civilian elite who truly deserve it. My money is on the former.

later

-sac

Beware of Ariel Morons and Protect Your Children! Re: Tahmed #977

Of course he bit! Now watch how hard he bites the next time around. And as for you, you did second my motion for this article to break the 1189 mark but you have disappointed me by your meager contribution. Come on now where`s the 110%?

The Burden of Virginity urstruly #137 ``It would have made more sense if a leader who had risen from the lower echelons of society had committed corruption.``

This remark is a puzzlement. (quote, kind of, from the King and I).

The Burden of Virginity urstruly #137 further to my previous note, I shall include that remark in my forthcoming book ``The Wit and Wisdom of Urstruly``.

The Burden of Virginity Fuzair #99 Make a soldier a batman and his spirit dies in due course. This is the worst thing you can do to a soldier.

The Burden of Virginity Nasah #91 ``I hope my Pakistani friends will forgive for saying this. There are two curses that have befallen Pakistan since its inception/conception: Pakistani ISLAM and Pakistani ARMY.``

Agreed, and you are forgiven. But look what we have as compensation:

3. Pakistani POLITICIANS - they work 18 hours serving the country, and when they sleep they dream about how they can work harder for the people they serve;

4. Pakistan`s NEIGBORS - Those fun-loving Afghans and their swinging Kabuli nightclubs; those warm, loving Indians who never met a Paki they didnt like; those cool Iranians...

Gotta go, I am being summoned by the Pakistani FAMILY SYSTEM that leaves a man alone...

A Delightful Cut adnan #54 I agree with you. MQM was the creation of Nawaz Sharif incidentally, who was a creation of Zia. MQM was just as brutal as Zia - it had torture chambers while Zia had the lash. Mushahid Sahib may wish to comment on what inspired him to join this group (although it appears Mushahid is doing any commenting anytime soon on chowk).

A Delightful Cut sameerjb (63)

Do you really think Islam will keep `us` - whoever that is - humble? If the current situation in `Islamic` countries is anything to go by, I seriously doubt it. Unless by humble you meant poor, hungry, uneducated as well as illiterate, and of course deluded.

-p

A Delightful Cut re sarwari #48:

``don`t understand why you would refer to Pakistan as a hapless country? Could you quit being a loser!``

Fasanay mein jiska zikr tak na tha

Wohi baat unhein nagawar guzri hai( F_K, temporal, Zahra please feel free to correct!!).

Pakistan is not a hapless country. It is merely an illusion(no pun intended). And yes I am a loser. Deal with it. Anything else?

re ferozek #51:

Found your narrative enjoyable. How about writing a longer article on the same subject?

later

-sac

Beware of Ariel Morons and Protect Your Children! Re: Yawaah Latifay Hamdani # 962

1. You are projecting that soon Gandhi`s legacy will be discarded as irrelevant and Jinnah`s will be celebrated the world over. Listen Pappu, that may be your wish but to start trumpeting your wish as a forgone eventuality supports a perception that many have come to hold... that you my friend are a little cuckoo in the head. I may wish that I win the next powerball and that Cameron Diaz & Elizabeth Shue will orally pleasure each of my big toes but if I go around proclaiming the inevitability of such a scenario with a lot of passion I am bound to end up in a strait jacket. Talking of forgone eventualities... you might want to consider some padded cells & straitjackets in your future.

2. My friend you have claimed the `secular nature of Islam` on many occasions. I am regrettably unable to provide you with a proof of when you said that since you have the tendency to post 500 times a day and I have absolutely no desire to look for your piece of turd comment in the sea of crap that you fart up on this forum every day.

3. You are claiming that Pakistan is a more moderate state than India. Sure... and I am a blue monkey`s momma. Of course every sane person on the planet who claims that an exclusionary system is less desirable than an inclusive one is a complete raving lunatic and you are the smart one. I often wonder what your remedy might be. Tell me... have you tried whacking off? Maybe that will help!

4. You say Musharraf is a secular leader. Now go run to the nearest Barnes & Noble and buy a dictionary because it`s fairly evident you don`t have one. How can the leader of an Islamic Republic be secular? The man who is supposed to uphold nay administer and enforce the laws of the land which are the exact antitheses of the world secular turns out to be secular?!! The oath swore by the constitutional leader of Pakistan begins as follows:

In the name of Allah, the most Beneficent, the most Merciful. I, ____________, do swear solemnly that l am a Muslim and believe in the Unity and Oneness of Almighty Allah, the Books of Allah, the Holy Quran being the last of them, the Prophethood of Muhammad (peace be upon him) as the last of the Prophets and that there can be no Prophet after him, the Day of Judgment, and all the requirements and teachings of the Holy Quran and Sunnah.

And he is secular. Hmmm I see!

5. You claim that I am devoid of any proper and unbiased knowledge.

Dear Yawaah,

O wise one, O bearer of unbiased and objective opinions, O possessor of verily proper knowledge, please guide me from darkness to enlightenment. I pledge henceforth to follow your shining example to pursue objective knowledge & pronounce unbiased opinion. Over the years you have shone the path towards this goal that is most unattainable to mere mortals but has been imperiously conquered by your erudite self. You have lead the way by untiringly propagating the following unbiased opinions:

Jinnah good Gandhi bad.

Jinnah truly respected world over, Gandhi ridiculed the world over.

Pakistan moderate, India Fundamentalist.

Pakistan`s Islamic governance secular, India`s secular governance religious.

It is plain as day to see why such intellectual gems as above has brought you much credibility and utter respect on this forum.

If any man, woman or child is distraught in their inability to make objective analysis; let them be told of the great Yawaah Latifay Hamdani who treads the hallowed halls of chowk.com handing out very very frequent objective analysis.

Yours in awe

Latif Chappu.

Aik Geet Aamir #1161 You are doing fine. No need to apologize when discussing beauty. And what better way to cross the magic number than discussing the beauties of konkini women (whatever that means). Perhaps you could shed more light on who these konkini people are (konkini kon kon haiN)?

Why Most DOT.COMS Will Fail rsridhar #172 ``Is the threat from India real or something that the military establishment have drummed up to justify all the military spendings.``

I think a bit of both. As in any bureaucracy, the path forward for any ambitious manager (or general, in case of the military) is through obtaining control over more resources and a broader mandate. No inter-state tensions, no military budgets. Applies to the Pakistan military as it does to the Indian or any other military.

On the other hand, the recent Indian military exercise on the Pakistan borders, the exploding of nuclear bombs close to the Pakistan border followed by threats to Pakistanis to understand the new situation, cannot be ignored.

All those desiring peace and progress in South Asia will welcome the recent offer of talks from Vajpayee to Musharraf. This does not, however, change the likely fact that it was triggered by the recent high profile visit to Pakistan of the Chinese prime minister and other signs of Pakistan and China warming up to one another. Regardless of the causes and which government has the moral high or low ground, any sane person with an IQ over 50 would welcome this move.

Aik Geet Pankaj #29 From your posts it seems you are doing fine. It may seem strange how God would care about one individual out of 6 billion on earth at this time, in one lonely planet out of many. But you probably know from your understanding of elementary particle physics (or in any other field like genetics or astronomy), stranger things that most people dont dream of even today are quite possible.

Love and Hate Online scout...june 29th..prospect park 7 pm. JUNOON will be there. also, tumhe chappair lagaoon geen yaar...why`d you have to drag me into this? nice thing you said but youve given yasir another chance to darg me through some mud.

yasir...you dont really know me yaar...seeing me once or twiec doesnt really count.

i write to purge, lest there be any confusion.

rizvi.

Aik Geet Re: Tahmed

And please keep YLH on that side of the LC. In fact if you promise to keep him there, you can have Sonali Bendre as well!

65 bottles of beer on the wall.

Aik Geet Re: Tahmed 1100

Yaar I will make that deal anyday! OK... give me all the captains in your team

Anwar

Younis

Akram

Latif

Inzi

Judging by the fact that a lazy unimaginative dope like Azhar is the winningest captain in Indian history... Inzi will break all records if he ever captained India!

In the meanwhile you keep Aishwaria... we have an abundance of these cavorting starlet types.

66 bottles of beer on the wall.