Running Naked sOME RED BLOODED pAKISTANI rOMAIR OR uRSTRULY or someone wanted info on ELECTIO in indian state u.p. (which has 25% more population than WHOLE of Pakistan,) is : Nomination filing last date is in 3 weeks .





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30 DECEMBER 2001



BJP UPSETS UP ALLIES’ NEW YEAR PARTY

By Amita Verma



Lucknow, Dec. 29

The reluctance of the Bharatiya Janata Party to finalise the seat-sharing arrangement with its allies in Uttar Pradesh has dampened the New Year spirit for ministers belonging to the allied groups.

The uncertainty over their political future and the tough task of facing the electorate in the next few weeks has made several ministers cancel all elaborate plans for New Year’s Eve.

There are neither any trips planned to Bangkok or Goa this year, nor are there any plans to bring in the New Year on a ship in mid-sea. No parties at wildlife resorts, not even a simple bonfire dinner at a farmhouse.

“There are three weeks left to file nominations and we still do not know on which symbol we will have to contest the elections. We met chief minister Rajnath Singh, who assured us that we would get tickets from the BJP. But there is the state BJP president, Mr Kalraj Misra, who keeps up the confusion by saying that only ministers with a clean image will be given seats. A ‘clean image’ is a very subjective term and any one of us could be sacrificed on this issue. Until this uncertainty ends, there is hardly any reason to celebrate the New Year,” says a Loktantrik Congress minister.

The BJP, on the other hand, has announced that it will release its list of candidates by January 14. The state leadership has not yet set any date for finalising the seat-sharing arrangement with the allies.

“The suspense is killing. We cannot get our election memo rabilia and posters made unless we are assured of getting the party symbol. We cannot even begin campaigning in our constituencies because we do not know where we are headed,” says a Lok Janshakti Party minister who returned to the state capital after a fortnight’s stay in his constituency.

According to BJP sources, the delay in finalising the seat-sharing arrangement with the allies is mainly due to a difference of opinion between the chief minister and the state party president. Sources claim that while Mr Rajnath Singh is keen on giving tickets to sitting MLAs from the allies, Mr Kalraj Misra is determined to be selective and wants to deny tickets to certain ministers who have not been in his good books in the past few years.

BJP leader in charge of UP affairs Kushabhau Thakre is in favour of the chief minister’s view and has announced that the BJP will not desert those ministers who have helped its government run a full term.

Party strategists, meanwhile, reveal that the delay in ticket distribution and seat-sharing is deliberate. “We want the Samajwadi Party and the Bahujan Samaj Party to finalise their candidates first. We will then select our candidate, keeping in mind the caste combinations in each constituency. This election is crucial for the BJP and we cannot follow any policy blindly, without weighing the consequences,” said a party strategist.

It is amply clear that the BJP is not taking any chances and is even consulting astrologers on each issue. January 14 as the date for announcing the first list of candidates has also been selected for astrological reasons. “This day happens to be Makar Sankranti, which marks the beginning of an auspicious period. Therefore, we want to initiate our process for elections on this date,” said a senior party functionary.

While the BJP follows the stars and weighs the pros and cons, it is the ministers of the allied groups who

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Opium farmers rejoice at defeat of the Taliban

War on Terrorism: Opium

By Richard Lloyd Parry in Surkhrud, Afghanistan

21 November 2001

Of the many Afghans whose lives were blighted by the Taliban, there are few victims more pathetic than the likes of Mohammed Khatib. He survives – just about – by farming, of a kind that has scarcely changed in centuries. Oxen pull his plough, a wooden plank studded with nails. He has to give more than two-thirds of his harvest to the owner of the land he farms and if there are floods or drought he may not be able to support his family.

It was always a meagre existence, but then the Taliban reduced him to complete destitution. ``They would not let us plant and in this land it is the only way to make money,`` said Mr Khatib. ``We have nothing here. Last night I did not even have oil for my family to cook.``

But now there is hope, for the Taliban have gone and Mr Khatib and the farmers of Surkhrud are free to grow the crop that provides them with the closest thing to a reasonable existence – the opium poppy.

Yesterday morning, like hundreds of farmers all over the eastern province of Nangarhar, he stood in his fields preparing the ground for the tiny yellow seeds that will grow into poppies. Next spring, the petals will fall away, exposing a seed head, and when the time is right Mr Khatib`s helpers will make narrow vertical razor cuts in them. Out of these will leak a sap that dries to a sticky residue, opium, the raw material of heroin.

Mr Khatib said: ``We were so shocked when the Taliban announced their ban on growing poppies, but now we hope for a good harvest ... God willing, our troubles will be solved.``

In the West, the drugs problem is easily seen as a matter of black and white, a struggle between evil criminal syndicates intent on making money out of the misery of addicts and the righteous forces of the ``war on drugs``. But in Afghanistan, the problem is revealed for what it is – an economic and political conundrum, rich in ironies and grey areas. Far from being evil exploiters, the poppy farmers are victims of cruel poverty. And, most remarkable of all, the movement that has done most to deal with the drugs problem is not a Western government or an anti-drugs campaign, but the reviled Taliban regime.

Afghanistan used to be the world`s biggest source of opium: 75 per cent of the world`s heroin originated in the country and the scale of poppy cultivation was staggering. Najib Ullah, head of the United Nations Drugs Control Programme (UNDCP) in the eastern city of Jalalabad, said: ``There were places in Helmand province where you saw nothing but poppies.``

Last year, the country produced 3,276 tonnes of raw opium, most of it from Helmand and the Nangarhar area around Jalalabad. This year, according to a recently published survey by the UNDCP, production plunged to 185 tonnes. In the course of a single year, production of this most lucrative of crops had fallen by 94 per cent. There was one reason: in July last year, the Taliban leader, Mullah Mohammed Omar, who had tolerated the opium trade for the first five years of his regime, announced a ban on poppy cultivation.

Even now, the reasons are mysterious. One theory is that Mullah Omar believed, mistakenly, that if he crushed the opium trade the international community would reward him with diplomatic recognition of his government and a seat at the United Nations. The more cynical theory – unproven, but widely retailed – is that Taliban leaders had amassed vast stocks of opium and wished to restrict the supply to drive up the price. Whatever the reason, the ban was enforced with a ruthlessness that only a government such as the Taliban could muster. Poppy fields were set alight; transgressors were jailed. Mr Khatib said: ``We were absolutely prevented from planting and growing.``

To understand the impact of the ban, consider the economics of farming in Afghanistan. For a crop of wheat, which Mr Khatib was forced to sow last year, a farmer can make about 7p a kilogram. Even before the ban drove up prices, raw opium sold for between £22 and £45 a kilogram.

The seeds that Mr Khatib and his brother need to sow their half-acre field cost £1; when they sell their harvest, they expect to make £6,700. ``We grow the opium only because we have no money,`` said Mr Khatib`s brother, Ahmad Zia. ``If we had some other source of income – if there was some factory established, or road construction – then we wouldn`t grow opium at all.``

But the chances of a burst of industrial investment in today`s Afghanistan are slim, and everyone knows it. The opium farmers show no embarrassment about their crop, and this is the next irony of the Afghan drug trade: the people who cultivate the drug have little understanding of its effects.

Afghanistan has many smokers of hashish, which also flourishes here, but opium and heroin use is almost unknown. Asked if he has ever tried the opium he has grown, Mr Khatib replied: ``No way. It`s bad for your health and it`s also against our religion.`` Who uses his opium? ``People in Pakistan,`` he answered. What about Europe and America? ``I am a poor man and I have never been to those countries, so I don`t know.``

Already there are signs that the opium price is about to come down, and this is the final irony: the defeat of the Taliban, a victory for the war on terrorism, may bring with it a wretched defeat in the war against drugs.

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TRANSACTION: An opium addict (left) buys a stash from a vendor for about the price of a cappuccino. Though the Taliban had banned the crop in areas under its control, a steady reserve supply entered Afghanistan from Pakistan.

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Afghan poppies may bloom again

With the Taliban gone, farmers are returning to



the most lucrative crop.

By Scott Baldauf | Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor

SORKH ROD, AFGHANISTAN - It is planting season in eastern Afghanistan, and a sharecropper named Katib is riding behind two oxen pulling a wooden plow, preparing his field for next year`s crop.

A few weeks ago, Katib (who uses only one name) had been planning to plant wheat. But now that the Taliban have gone, and their drugs ban with them, he has changed his mind. He is going back to opium poppies, which will earn him 15 times more money.





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``The Taliban told us not to cultivate poppies, so I stopped,`` says the gray-bearded father of nine. ``Absolutely we were forced to stop, and we were sorry about this. I don`t especially like growing poppies, but I was worried about getting food for my stomach.``

The fall of the Taliban - almost universally welcomed here - is bad news for international drug controllers who fear the change of government in Kabul will bring a new flood of raw opium and its processed form, heroin, onto world markets.

``The most likely scenario is replanting`` of poppies, predicts Thomas Pietschmann, a researcher at the Vienna-based United Nations Office for Drug Control and Crime Prevention (ODCC). ``The chances of getting rid of opium completely were better before Sept. 11th.``

A short-lived victory

International drug officials had been pleasantly surprised by the success of the Taliban`s ban on opium production. The authorities slashed production this year by 94 percent, according to surveys by the ODCC.

``It was seen as a historic breakthrough in international drug control,`` says Kamal Kurspahic, the UN agency`s spokesman. ``Afghanistan traditionally produced 75 percent of the world`s opiates, and cutting that out meant we were on the way to real elimination.``

Prices reflected that change. A kilo of raw opium that had cost $30 at the time of the 2000 harvest cost $300 this year, and as stockpiles dwindled, the price rose to $700 in early September.

After Sept. 11, however, prices crashed to $90 as dealers unloaded their stocks to hold cash in the face of the coming crisis.

With the planting season under way, many farmers in Nangarhar province, a traditional center of the opium trade, are returning to a crop that has always offered them more financial security, even though most devout Muslim Afghans wouldn`t touch the stuff themselves.

(Some Afghans say the Taliban themselves earned money from the opium trade, from the Islamic system of taxation of farmers called zaqat. Under zaqat, Islamic rulers earn 1/40th of the value of whatever crop is planted. Some rogue officials are also rumored to have been directly involved in the stockpiling and sale of opium, earning an estimated $30 million a year.)

Nonetheles, the new authorities are unlikely to try to do much to discourage farmers from returning to widespread poppy cultivation, say experts here.

``You will never find people who will ban poppies like the Taliban did,`` says Shamsul Haq, a drug-control officer from nearby Jalalabad who has worked with both mujahadeen and Taliban governments. ``It was unbelievable ... but I don`t think it will happen again under the new government.``

Mujahideen officials dispute this. ``One hundred percent we will control opium planting, and we will not let it occur,`` says Hazrat Ali, the mujahideen`s new law-and-order minister for Nangarhar province. ``Not all people in the drug trade are necessarily making money. They are wanting to get out of this business.``

But the mujahideen`s track record is not convincing. Warlords have always funded their fiefdoms through opium sales, and this year, while the Taliban was almost eliminating poppy cultivation in the areas they controlled, the Northern Alliance authorities allowed a threefold increase in poppy growing in their small zone.

Ultimately, they accounted for more than 83 percent of all the land under poppy cultivation in Afghanistan, according to ODCC figures.

Even if many of the men likely to form the next Afghan government have been deeply involved in the drug trade, says Mohammed-Reza Amirkhizi, an Afghanistan specialist with the ODCC, the rest of the world now has some leverage on them.

``I am sure that the new Afghan government would expect substantial assistance from the international community, and we should not be shy about setting our conditions`` for such aid, Mr. Amirkhizi argues.

Creating new incentives

In a resolution last week, the UN security council called on the future authorities to ``cooperate fully in international efforst to combat terrorism and illicit drug trafficking.``

But the future of opium production does not depend only on the Afghan authorities, experts say. Farmers must be helped to grow legal but less lucrative crops, and to find new ways of making money.

The United States, along with Iran, was one of the first countries to fund such projects - launched last summer by international aid organizations with Taliban support. They have since collapsed, in the absence of foreign aid workers who fled the country and for lack of cash, but they must be restored if poppy production is to be kept under control.

``The international community must support programs to help farmers produce licit crops,`` Mr. Amirkhiz insists. ``Without supporting farmers, we won`t be successful. They do it because they are poor and opium is a source of cash, and if we don`t address the farmers` needs, I don`t think the authorities could impose a sustained policy`` against drug production.

``Ninety percent of the people depend on poppies, from laborers and farmers to sharecroppers, traders, traffickers, and big buyers,`` adds Mr Haq, the local drug-control officer. ``There is nothing else in the country, no factories, no industry. This is the only income for people.

``This year`s season will be a big harvest,`` he predicts.

Muslims and The West After 11th September Some after shocks of the bombs exploding in Afghanitan... looks like the

humanity at large is the only loser in this war and Drug trade is the only

winner.

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babu

I might give more detailed response time pertaining but first quick clarifications/response

akistan even if it increases its defence expenditure 8 times it will BE LESS THAN INDIA .Indias defence yearly defence budget is close to 10 billions/annually.Pakistan with doubling might reach little above 3 billions.

Long term relatinship you seem to trivialize by saying ``who remembers over decades``I would remind that Pakistan is ``tolerated`` by America Despite being conservative islamic.Large pro taleban supporter,madrssah as,Dictatorship ,Economically shattered,.......But every body in Administration who are student of history foregin policy & politicval science know PAKISTAN MOST STEADY ALLY OF AMERICA.It doesnt prevent India having relation with America but if wants to use American leverage to same hegemony thatit uses its bully size & 1 bn. population America is like ``too tight with Pakistan & has always been !!

The Brahmin Warrior #: 12

Masd

``Mankani`s janam Bhoomi HYderabad,Sindh has become the home of hundereds of thousands of Muslims who migrated from India mainly from Rajasthan, Delhi,UP and Gujrat. The Advani Lane, Maskani Lane, Lajpat Road, Diyal Das Club, numerous homes left by Sindhi Hindus are all the symbols of a great past of this city. The Sikhs of Punjab are lucky that they can easily visit their homes left in West Punjab cities of Lahore, Gujranwala, Jhelum, Gurat, Sheikhupurs, etc and their host can welcome them with open arms without being granted the title of Raw agents or traitors by the Punjabi dominated government of Pakistan however the Sindhi Hindus can hardly visit their lost land and see their towns and cities due to the hostile attitutde of Pakistani establishment towards them. The Sindhis cannot invite their Indian sindhis friends without fearing persecution from government of Pakistan. There can be World Punjabi Congress in Lahore but holding World Sindhi Congress in Hyderabad would remain a dream for many years to come.``

Masd

Same can be said of

ALL KASHMIR CONFERENCE WITH PEOPLE FROM BOTH SIDES OF THE LOC

ALL BIHARS FROM MOHAJIR ACROSS THE BORDER COMING TO CONGREGATE IN GAYA,PATNA,Lucknow ,Kanpur OR NOW JHARKAND?

or for that matter Hyderabadi in both india & pakistan,or gujrati ,Kutchi ,Maharashtrians .

EVERY STATE WAS NOT PRINCELEY STATE LIKE KASHMIR TO BE GIVEN SPECIAL STATUS BY DECREE OF INDEPENDENCE PRIOR TO aug 47!

The Brahmin Warrior

Veeresh bhai

``To your question: may I know the basis by which you state that Muslims do not feel safe in India? Would we have more Muslims in India than Pakistan has Muslims, if people were not ``safe`` in India?``

Such argument of large number of Muslims in India belie the fact that average Hindu was never involved in the presence of Muslims in India ,if you think,a process taken place over 1000 years of history of the subcontinent .

Nor did average Muslims in the heart of India Orissa,M.P.,U.P,Bihar ,H.P. Andhrapradesh,deep inside far away from Amritsar & Murshidabad border towns could,should or would have an option of going away someplace including Pakistan.

At the time of Partition in 1947, 5 million or 1/2 crores hindu crossed into India from Pakistan & 20% less that number or 4 millions Muslims did go to Pakistan most by life & death situation ,particularly muslims fleeing away .

Even the lowest estimate of muslim population then would put it 5 crores out of 40 crores of Indians at indepence time 14 th aug1947!,i.e. about 8+%.ONLY LESS THAN 10% OF INDIAN MUSLIMS EVER WENT TO PAKISTAN.The 90% of Indian muslims after 1954 were either left in India by circumstanceses beyond them .

It almost became a rareity because after that of any indian muaslim to migrate easily even after thousands of riots like Bhagalpur in 87 & bombay 92 Calcutta63 etc.BECAIUSE ,of Pakistans ,own reluctence to consider Indian muslim plight as any goal of the mission of Pakitan .

So when you deduce any conclusion from the superficial .on the surface ,appearence of increasing number of muslims in india IT IS NEITHER DUE TO CHOICE OF MUSLIMS NOR IS IT DUE TO ANY SOCIAL STATUS GRANTED TO THEM BY THE MAJORITY IF YOU DONT CONSIDER NOT LETTING LET LOOSE SUDDEN ASSAULT OF GENOCIDE LIKE `IN GERMANY AGAINST JEWS OR AGAINST BOSNIAN,KOSOVAN ,ALBANIAN CROATIAN BY THE SERBS,AS A PREVILEGE & NOT BASICHUMAN RIGHT & CITIZENRY.

Muslims and The West After 11th September #: 82

babu

``US foreign policy has been self-serving at times.

US has done a lot of help for other countries. They did give food when Pakistan faced a famine in 1954.``

baboooo,

MAY BE YOU HAVENT HEARD OF FAMINES OF BENGAL & IN 66-67 WHEN NORTHERN INDIA DEVASTATED BY MONSOON FAILURE FOR CONSECUTIVE YEARS WENT IN TAIL SPIN ,THE LIKE OF WHICH HAS YET TO BE SEEN IN ASIA & PAKISTAN.IT LEFT AN INDELIBLE MARK IN THE PSYCHE OF ``THE WORLD`` OF HUNGRY CHILDREN & PEOPLES OF INDIA.HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF PL480?

IT WAS NOT LONG AGO INDIA WAS HOARSE CRYING ABOUT PAKISTAN BEING HELPED IN HER DEFENCEBY U.S.A..

IT WAS CLINTONS MARCH 2000 THAT YOU CAN FIND HINDIANS LIKE YOU THUMPING YOUR CHEST AS AMERICANS OTHERWISE MOST OF THE 5 DECADES INDIANSPENT EFFIGY OF AMERICAN PRESIDENTS.THAT SANGHI PARIVAR & HINDU MAHASABHA HAS MAJOR HAND IN DIVERTING THE INDIAN POLICY FROM THE LEFT TO PRO AMERICAN BEARINGS.

THE 2 iiTS ARE aMERICAN GIFT ,ALL BE IT INDIANS DONT ADMIT IT THAT IT BASICALLY SERVES AS THE OVERSEAS CAMPUS OF ANY TYPICAL V.T.I. OF AMERICAN TOWN WHICH FILLS AMERICAN TECHNICIAN HANDS TO KEEP ITS MACHINES RUNNING.

But compare that to the foreign policy of Pakistan with respect to Afghanistan. I have read countless articles by the likes of Nasim Zehra, Shireen Mazari professing Pakistan was not involved in propping up the Taleban.

COMPARE THIS TO LOSER FOREIGN POLICY OF INDIA SUPPORTING THE RUSSIANS IN 60S NOT TO CONDEMN SOVIET INVASION OF CHECKLOVAKIA.DO YOU THINK THEY HAVE FORGOTTEN FOR 30 YRS OF THERE LIVES GONE UNDER THE DRAIN ,THANKS TO RUSSIANS BEFORE HAVEL RESURRECTED IT .OR WHEN AFGHANI THE RIGHT KIND REALIZE THAT IT WAS FILTHY INDIRAS INDIA THAT SUPPORTED RUSSIAN INVASION & WAR WITH GENOCIDE OF MILLION OF AFGHANI PEOPLE.80-89.THERE IS NO CREDIT TO A NEIGHBOUR WHICH SIDES WITH ONE OF THE TWO CLASHING DOMESTIC WARRING FANCTIONS n.a. VS pUSHTUN .ITS CALLED FISHING IN TROUBLED WATERS & WONT BE LONG BEFORE CONNIVING SHORT TERM GOAL OF INDIAN CONTINUED OCCUPATION OF KASHMIR WILL BE SEEN EVEN BY N.A.INDIA HAVE ALWAYS TRIED TO CREATE HIATUS AMONG MUSLIMS JUST AS IT DID IN BANGLADESH THERE IS NOTHIONG NEW.BUT IF SUPER POWER HAS NEVER BEEN ABLE TO RELY ON ITS ALL MUSLIM ALLIANCE AGAINST MUSLIM ISLAMIC PAKISTAN ,INDIA CANNTRY AS MUCH AS IT LIKES BY TOKEN BOLLYWOOD MOVIE ,HOSTING POLITICAL & CULTURAL EXCHANGE ITS OWN DIVERSION FOR THE 15% INDIAN MUSLIMS ,THEY HAVE NONE TO OFFER.

The Forgotten Children of God http://news.india-today.com/ntoday/newsarchives/100/12/6/n25.shtml

Isnt the legendeary Robinhood,Verappan of Tamil fame ,DAlit ?

Many Dalits all over india N.E. Tripura Assam ,N.Bengal have become Naxalites ,a radical violent gropup.Maoist in Bihar,& so on.

TNLA begins cyber battle for greater Tamil Nadu



L.R. JAGADHEESAN

CHENNAI DECEMBER 06, 2000, 1530 HRS IST: The separatist fringe group, the Tamil Nadu Liberation Army (TNLA), has opened another front against the Indian Union. And this one is on the web. Headed by Maaran, alias Senguttuvan, the TNLA came to limelight during the 108-day-long Kannada thespian Rajkumar kidnapping drama.While the Karnataka and Tamil Nadu governments are busy combing the Sathyamangalam forests to nab Veerappan and his Tamil ultra friends, the TNLA has launched its cyber offensive, jointly with the LTTE and some Islamic fundamentalist outfits.Type out dalitstan.org tamil, and the whole wide world of ‘Greatrer Tamil Nadu’, claiming Kerala, parts of Karnataka, Andhra Pradesh and the areas of Tamil Eelam in Sri lanka, opens up. The war cry: “Liberation of Tamil Nadu from Brahminist Hindi tyranny”.The homepage of the site is, naturally, obsessed with the TNLA. There is a picture of TNLA chief Maaran (the picture refuses to download in Chennai), captioned “A true Tamil warrior fighting for Tamil freedom, who had vowed to destroy the anti-Tamil activities in the so-called Indian Union.”There is also the four-point goal of the TNLA -- “Secession of Tamil Nadu from the so-called Indian Union; Reunification of Eelam with liberated Tamil Nadu; Reunification of Kerala with liberated Tamil Nadu and restoration of lost lands to Greater Tamil Nadu, which includes Kolar gold fields, Maldives, Malnadu, Lakshadweep and Mauritius.” This is not all. The site claims that Veerappan is “not a brigand, but the brigadier of the TNLA and a Tamil Robin Hood”. After a list of recent articles on Veerappan and the TNLA in various dailies, magazines and websites, comes the real shock.There are links to the home pages of the LTTE and Islamic terrorist outfits. At the end of the page, the host is identified as Dalitsan Organisation. Intelligence agencies claimed that they got to know about the website and its host just a day before and are still probing the matter. But the most curious information comes at the bottom: “Thank you, From the jungles of Tamil Nadu, Tamil Nadu Liberation Front``Veerappan Strikes Again! Full coverage of the Rajkumar kidnap crisis.

The Clash Of Un-Civilizations And Osama-ism YLH#216

``I totally stand for Pakistan`s recognition of Israel and Pakistan`s normalization of relations with Israel. Infact it is a private short term ambition of mine to be Pakistan`s first Ambassador to Israel.``



-Yasser

You totally against Taleban & looks like also Palestine.

If you dont forget what they teach you at Rutger ,you will lose your home land to India.AS it is Taleban minded people in pakistan are only restrained by govt.of P.M.with great effort temporarily & if you move even an inch more to the periphery you say good bye to your footing on the populace of Pakistan.

Looks like India is already making a move where even America stopped condemning israel for war against defenceless .

http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=5217

India urges Israel to stop attacks on Palestine



Reuters

New Delhi, December 5: India said on Wednesday there was no justification for Israeli air strikes in Palestinian-ruled areas and called for restraint to save the peace process. Foreign Minister Jaswant Singh told Parliament the Israeli attacks in the Gaza strip and the West Bank city of Jenin in retaliation for a devastating wave of suicide bombings must stop. ``There is no justification for the attack. The need of the hour is to have restraint,`` he said after Opposition deputies demanded that the government make its stand clear. India, which has supported the Palestinian cause for decades, has in recent years developed friendly ties with Israel, including in military cooperation. Singh said the dispute in West Asia could only be resolved through dialogue and this must be resumed immediately. ``These attacks have frozen the peace process, we want the attacks should end immediately,`` he said. A surge of violence in Israel in the past week has threatened to wreck a new US West Asia peace drive and has increased concern that 14 months of violence is spiralling out of control after the deaths of at least 743 Palestinians and 222 Israelis. Israel has carried out two days of air strikes against Palestinian security installations in the West Bank and Gaza Strip after 25 people were killed in the worst wave of suicide bombings in years. The Israelis fired one missile near Palestinian President Yasser Arafat`s West Bank office while he was inside. A Palestinian suicide bomber blew himself up on Wednesday, wounding three people in Jerusalem, when his bomb exploded prematurely.

The Clash Of Un-Civilizations And Osama-ism #: 35

Prem

Yahooda,

Shammi # 24 makes a good point. If you truly are an Israeli, you have missed out a great deal in not having read such great Muslim poets as Rahim and Kabir



Kabir Dohas - 3

Kaal Kare So Aaj Kar, Aaj Kare So Ub

Pal Mein Pralaya Hoyegi, Bahuri Karoge Kub

kala kro saao Aaja kr, Aaja kro saao Aba

pla maoM prlaya haoegaI, bahUrI kraogao kba

Translation

Tomorrows work do today, today`s work now

if the moment is lost, the work be done how

My Understanding

The Price #401

Sigalph

``[The difference is that taxes in US are not differentiated on basis of religion or color]````

YES SIR ,TAXES IN U.S. IS NOT EQUAL.JUST AS HERE IS

WASP

ISRAELITES

BLACK

Hispanocs

ASians

Very profiled groups in u.s.a. YOU DONT FEEL IT BECAUSE THANK TO ALLAH THIS COUNTRY HAS LITTLE BIT EVEN FOR THE LAST MEMBER.

corporates church,army ,ppl. overseas dont opay equal tax .TAX break is raxce directed but named ``interest dedeductiion`` instead of saying we will help the Bankers who are mainly ....

IN MUSLIM empire ,a muslim pays with his life by fighting in war & non muslims dont have to fight in place of Tax.

Why out of 10000 ppl. arrested for questioning 100% of them are eithe muslim or mid east or both.

I have not seen more rascist than ASHCROFT & by default whole administration.I DONT BUY BUSH`S line NOR HIS Gimmick like Attals IFTAR party .

The Price

Dec-1-01 2:15:17 EST Reply #: 375

sigalph235

re bapu 373

``[[All this is to point that while Chrictians and Jews have no tolerance on tolerance, Muslim polities certainly do not have a leg to stand on when it comes to lectures about human rights`]]

Sigalph235

WHILE DO NOT DENY ,AS HUMAN MUSLIMS MIGHT HAVE ERRED,BUT ALL YOUR e.g. are REFUTABLE & AT BEST HAS TWO OPINIONS BOTH EQUALLY VALID & ACCEPTABLE .

I KNOW JIZYA TAX & DHIMMI ,THEYARE JUSTIFIED INISLAMIC JURISPRUDENCE AS THE YEARLY TAX YOU PAY UNCLE SAM in fact much greater % to see fire works over Afghanistan & 10 yrs ago in Baghdad.

Islamic jurisprudence may convict under its law what indian laws might not & vice versa.You cant compare apple & oranges .Each set of laws are different for different sovereignity.