Riots #494

As far as bride-traffic goes you can add the Parsis too. My dad`s secretary in Bombay married a guy from Karachi (though they live in London now).

(I remember being horrified as a kid to find out that she was ``marrying the enemy`` :-))

Riots #488

Doesnt Musharaff`s uncles family still live in Old Delhi?

From Across The Border ``Further to may last post, we must remember that as Romair tirelessly points out less than 5% of the Pakistani population reads the English newspapers....``

Lets not forget the remaining 55% who cant read at all and who`s only source of info is gossip and PTV.

The Pattern of Hatred Jinnah`s 14 point blackmail note:

1. The form of the future constitution should be federal with the residuary powers vested in the provinces.

2. A uniform measure of autonomy shall be granted to all provinces.

3. All legislatures in the country and other elected bodies shall be constituted on the definite principle of adequate and effective representation of minorities in every province without reducing the majority in any province to a minority or even equality.

4. In the Central Legislative, Mussalman representation shall not be less than one third.

5. Representation of communal groups shall continue to be by means of separate electorates as at present, provided it shall be open to any community at any time to abandon its separate electorate in favor of a joint electorate.

6. Any territorial distribution that might at any time be necessary shall not in any way affect the Muslim majority in the Punjab, Bengal and the North-West Frontier Province.

7. Full religious liberty, i.e. liberty of belief, worship and observance, propaganda, association and education, shall be guaranteed to all communities.

8. No bill or any resolution or any part thereof shall be passed in any legislature or any other elected body if three-fourths of the members of any community in that particular body oppose such a bill resolution or part thereof on the ground that it would be injurious to the interests of that community or in the alternative, such other method is devised as may be found feasible and practicable to deal with such cases.

9. Sind should be separated from Bombay Presidency.

10. Reforms should be introduced in the North-West Frontier Province and Baluchistan on the same footing as in the other provinces.

11. Provision should be made in the constitution giving Muslims an adequate share, along with the other Indians, in all the services of the state and in local self-governing bodies having due regard to the requirements of efficiency.

12. The constitution should embody adequate safeguards for the protection of Muslim culture and for the protection and promotion of Muslim education, language, religion, personal laws and Muslim charitable institution and for their due share in the grants-in-aid given by the state and by local self-governing bodies.

13. No cabinet, either Central or Provincial, should be formed without there being a proportion of at least one third Muslim ministers.

14. No change shall be made in the constitution by the Central Legislature except with the concurrence of the State`s contribution of the Indian Federation

Riots ``a last note: Heard Dr. Aniruddha Das, a journalist for Asia Pacific Forum decribe the current govt. in India as complicit in several matters of concern; the embrace of Enron, the Narmada Dam, and finally, what he termed state/national cooperation against the Muslims in Gujrat.``

The only fanatics in India that compare to the VHP kind are of the leftist kind. I wont even start to refute this.

Riots #343

``Won`t India have drop the ``Muslim`` as ``Invader``, Muslim responsible for ``Hindu Holocaust,`` Muslim responsible for ``breaking OUR country`` constructs that burden the history recalled in India?``

Have you read an Indian high school (eg NCERT) history textbook?

Riots #249

``Universal Fact 2: You see your own ugliness reflected in others.``

I admire the courage of your introspection!

Riots Subroto #217

I have to register my protest!!

Ki Moshai? No sorshe-bata-elish or chingri-macher-malai curry?

For that matter no french food: no carnad confit, carnard de orange, no coq au vin, no steak tartar?

A Cultural Revolution? ``Perhaps it is time to have a real true Cultural revolution. To cut our cultural ties with the Middle East and South Asia, and look beyond our geographical handicap... let us Europeanize. ``

Looks like youve been reading Nirad Chowdhuri again :-)

Why Are We Killing Ourselves? Well, something off topic here:

Khalid Ahmed`s article in the latest TFT:

http://www.thefridaytimes.com/news9.htm

Has the following quote:

``Hinduism, through the anti-women teachings of Ramakrishnan(sic), had inclined the rural Muslim Bengali to misogynism.``

I would assume he means Ramkrishna Paramhans, who is highly venerated in Bengal. So what is this misogynist techings he is talking about, can anyne shed more light?

A Convert’s Complaint: Analyzing Naipaul’s Views on Islam Pritish Nandy`s views:

http://www.hindustantimes.com/nonfram/080302/detpla01.asp

A Convert’s Complaint: Analyzing Naipaul’s Views on Islam #harimau

1)Breakdown in law and order:

So now we understand that we were using different definitions.

2)Prevention of Gohdra:

Yes your charge of Monday-morning-quaterbacking is accurate but I can say the same for you. Fact is that neither you nor me have an adequate background in law enforcement to pass judgement here. (unless you are an ex-IAS/IPS guy here, then I`ll withdraw my comments)

2)Inaction of the Modi goverment:

Ok so we both understand the politician-goonda-rioter dynamic. Fact is Modi is playing from the same playbook innumerable congressi leaders have also played from in the past to consolidate vote banks. That doesnt mean we evade our duty to criticize it each time it occurs, do we?

3)Delay in deploying paramilitary:

So what do you think happened here: logistical delays or deliberate inaction? (You have argued for both points)

Why Are We Killing Ourselves? Good find hobbyty! here`s his web site:

http://neemanet.com/trips/globetrotter/

Delhi University Politics Ylh,

``You words are Very reminiscent of what the CIA told a certain fella by the name of Kemal in the immediate aftermath of the first world war``

What is the quote, Oh enlightened one!

A Convert’s Complaint: Analyzing Naipaul’s Views on Islam #266

Lets get some definitions straight:

Breakdown in law and order: When repeated acts of violence are committed without any discerable attempts by the administration to prevent such acts.

So what occured in Gohdra was a failure of the intelligence arm (typically of IB) to anticipate this event. I do not know if the rural or railway police was capable of preventing the murder after the mob assembled. If yes then it indicates incompetence on their part.

But what happened subsequently in Ahmedabad could be easily anticipated even by morons like you and me. Yet there is clear evidence that the cops were disorganized at a higher level and parochial at a lower level. The most charitable explaination I can offer is sheer administrative incompetence on part of the Modi government, which alone is grounds for dismissal:

Exhibit 1:

The first paramilitary forces entered Gujrat Thursady night atleast 36 hours after the train massacre:

http://www.rediff.com/news/2002/feb/28train18.htm

Exhibit 2:

Shoot-at-sight orders issued and the first flag marches staged (Friday morning). This after an entire days rioting had taken place and more than a 100 people killed:

http://www.rediff.com/news/2002/mar/01train4.htm

The only worst example of administrative inaction I can think of is Delhi in `84.

A Convert’s Complaint: Analyzing Naipaul’s Views on Islam btw harimau, whats your take on the 2 lakhs for the train victims v/s 1 lakh for the subsequent riot victims?