An Indian salute for President Musharraf Rajanjua

``i have been under the impression that pak involvement with A5 was a bit more than ordering adjustments to the cockpit``

Hey man, I think you are being a bit too disparaging here. As pointed out for the A5C and by ROmair these are quite substantial upgrades (mainly because chinese planes of that generation were c *ap) but still a far sight away from joint development. The first such joint development of an end-to-end new plane was the K8 ``Karakoram``. And is now being attempted for the FC-1/Super 7.

An Indian salute for President Musharraf ROmair #552

A much more informative and realistic post, thanks :-)

An Indian salute for President Musharraf Hey ROmair,

Since any westerners word is the word of god how about swallowing this one (From LA times):

Despite its denials, Pakistan controls most Kashmiri insurgent groups. On May 29, 1999, shortly after the Pakistani army launched its offensive across the cease-fire line at Kargil, Indian intelligence intercepted a revealing international telephone conversation between then-Gen. Musharraf, who was in Beijing, and his deputy, Lt. Gen. Mohammed Aziz. CIA sources have validated the authenticity of the intercept. Nawaz Sharif, then prime-minister, had expressed concern, Aziz said, that Kashmiri insurgent groups fighting with the army might get out of hand and force an escalation, but that ``there need be no such fear, since we have them by the scruff of the neck and whenever desired, we can regulate the situation``

The author is a S Asia expert by any standards:

By SELIG S. HARRISON, Selig S. Harrison has reported on South Asia since 1951 and written five books on the region. He is director of the National Security Project at the Center for International Policy and a senior schola

An Indian salute for President Musharraf rajanjua

AFAIK, only the last version of the A5 (A5III?) had some modifications according to PAF specs. This is very standard when any country buys aircraft. There was no design input or no shared manufacturing. By your standards I could call the Mirage 2000 a joint Indo-French project :-)

regards

bd

(PS this is from open literature, maybe you know something which isnt there in which case i would love to be enlightened)

An Indian salute for President Musharraf From:

http://pakdef.info/pakmilitary/airforce/ac/a5.html

A-5C/A-5III

``Export version for Pakistan Air Force (and later customers), involving 32 modifications from Q-5 I, notably upgraded avionics, Martin-Baker PKD10 zero/zero seat, and adaptation of hardpoints for 356 mm (14 in) lugs compatible with Sidewinder missiles and other PAF weapons; three prototypes preceded production programme; in service with Nos. 7, 16 and 26 Squadrons of PAF, by whom designated A-5-III. Ordered also by Bangladesh and Myanmar.``

So the A-5C/A-5III is the PAF version modified to carry sidewinders, Martin Baker ejection seats and some western avionics. So the A-5C development can be called a ``joint`` development (as I guess PAF was involved in designing this upgrade) but not the original A-5 development.

An Indian salute for President Musharraf ROmair

``If you recall, you were the one who had stated that Brian Cloughley was not a consultant on the Hawk deal, on your own. I had then taken the trouble to actually corresponding with Brian Cloughley, and posted his email response to your question``

My assersion: ``there is no proof that Brian Cloughley was a consultant to the Indian government on the Hawk deak``

His reply evaded the question completely.

An Indian salute for President Musharraf From the latest AFM (air forces monthly), are the following observations about Pakistani naval aviation after 3 years of sanctions:

1)2 Seakings have been grounded and are being cannibalized for parts.

2)Of the 3 Lynx helicpters for the Type-21 frigates only 1 is operational.

3)The P3C fleet is serverly affected by sanctions and is partly operational.

An Indian salute for President Musharraf Lets look at ROmair`s source:

1)Brian Cloghley

2)PIAD`s

3)Pakinfo

4)His own hot-air

An Indian salute for President Musharraf ROmair

``So I would like to direct your attention to Brian Cloughley, who was hired as a consultant by the Indian Air Force, on the 1 billion dollar Hawk deal``

I thought we had a discussion on this and there is abosuletly no evidence that Cloughley was a consultant on the Hawk deak.

The rest of your article is mostly BS. A-5, FT-5 joint Pak-China projects, really now :-)

An Indian salute for President Musharraf AlephNull,

ROmair and Hobbyty are the kings of what is populary known as ``Have mein chodna``. They not worth our time.

An Indian salute for President Musharraf Mr Hobbyty:

``Is that fear I smell?``

Ok, to prove your competence on issues you tired to pass judgements on lets see how much you know about the following:

1)What are supercomputers?

2)Which kind`s of computers has the US allowed exports of?

3)What are Pakistan`s contributions in the design of Super-7 (lets talk about the Type 90 aka Al-Khalid later). I mean which universities, which institutes are tackling which problems?

4)What kind of design problems in fighter design are amenable to computational solutions?

5)What aspects of Pakistani involvement in Super-7 design will be influenced by greater access to greater computing power?

Lets talk about this first (I shall expect a minimum of a 550 line post)

and then we`ll discuss my fears :-)

An Indian salute for President Musharraf hobbyty:

``from what i read if the Indian attack does not come soon, it will not come at all - within the next 2 to 3 years design and manufacture of both Al-khalid and Super 7 variants, now that super commputers can be imported from US is a given. ``

Boss, stick to the religious mumbo-jumbo, atleast most of us dont understand it and with typical subcontinental grace attribute it to our low IQ`s. When you try to comment on other stuff you just expose yourself.

Is Thackeray a Terrorist? Ref Shammi:

``How have Maharashtrians been excluded from their `fair` share? What is their `fair` share? Has this alleged exclusion been achieved illegaly``

If I may butt in here:

Bombay inspite of the modern trappings remains a place where business atleast is run on staunchly communal grounds, if you notice each business segment seems to be dominated by a particular community:

Clothes retailing: Kutchi`s

Cloth wholesale: Marwari`s

Stockmarket: Gujrati`s

Trading: Sindhi`s, Bohri`s

and so on...

I would believe that barriers to entry exist for a Southie, Marathi, Bong (atleast in the first generation) to do business in these areas.

any thoughts?

Is Thackeray a Terrorist? ``PADF launches nation-wide campaign for ban on India`s terrorist organizations``

abe $#%$%! that is eqactly the kind of attention and validation these guys are looking for.

An Indian salute for President Musharraf My contribution to the food talk:

Best Udipi food I`ve ever eaten: Madras Pavillion in Houston, Texas

The Significant Unit of War ``Malaysia where public funds are used to build shiny new mosques in every major town is secular.``

If I remember rightly the Malaysian goverment gives 100% subsidy for building a mosque and 50% subsidy for other religious places (temples etc)

Have you read Naipual`s ``Beyond Belief`` on Malaysia?