Talk English, Walk English
Drop it. We don't want it. :)
Posted by
Eklavya
Jun 7, 2009 10:28 am
Dammit khammy, you would do anything to get your cry for urdu in, even though you are a punju. :)Drop it. We don't want it. :)
Talk English, Walk English
Age of six or just a couple of years after that. Sometimes, schools in India don't have the resources to teach more than one language to six year olds.
Posted by
Eklavya
Jun 7, 2009 09:59 am
"Mother tongue in each region should be the primary language. And then start teaching English from the age of six onwards."Age of six or just a couple of years after that. Sometimes, schools in India don't have the resources to teach more than one language to six year olds.
Talk English, Walk English
Probably they feel these languages connect them too much with India?
Posted by
Eklavya
Jun 7, 2009 09:51 am
vrv, khammy probably had a very specific issue that Muslims generally have with Hindi and Sanskrit. For some reason, they express an anathema, independent of all other factors.Probably they feel these languages connect them too much with India?
Talk English, Walk English
Posted by
Eklavya
Jun 7, 2009 09:37 am
khammy, what you wrote would be generally true. Although there would always be exceptions.
The Shrinking Boundaries of Sikhism
Posted by
Eklavya
Jun 1, 2009 05:59 pm
Good one, sanatani. Probably there is a need that steps be taken more broadly, just as you took them personally, so confidence is resotored that Hindus don't wish to harm Sikhi in way, shape, or form.
The Shrinking Boundaries of Sikhism
Goodnite for now and best regards.
Posted by
Eklavya
Jun 1, 2009 05:31 pm
Pardesi, I have some tiny little ideas that I will put forward to Hindu rightwingers. That's the advantage of being a Hindu rightwinger. One can talk to them :)Goodnite for now and best regards.
The Shrinking Boundaries of Sikhism
Posted by
Eklavya
Jun 1, 2009 03:04 pm
Can we think of some practical things that Hindus can do to ease Sikhs concerns and fears, as well expressed by Pardesi?
In Search of Political Will: Fight Against Militants in Swat
My prediction: No. Pakistan will be back to where it currently is in a few years.
Posted by
Eklavya
May 29, 2009 08:52 am
PM, they will implement it, but can they sustain and maintain it?My prediction: No. Pakistan will be back to where it currently is in a few years.
British Wheel of Anglo-American Axis Coming Off
Posted by
Eklavya
May 12, 2009 07:02 pm
Brilliant! Haven't read it but 'British wheel of Anglo-American axis coming off' sounded quite impressive!!
Speculations on Female Sexuality and Religion
I don't know whether you can stop your daugther, or whether you should.
Here is a discussion that may be of some help.
http://www.sukh-dukh.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=21326&p=1
Posted by
Eklavya
May 4, 2009 04:47 pm
Regards, I don't know whether you can stop your daugther, or whether you should.
Here is a discussion that may be of some help.
http://www.sukh-dukh.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=21326&p=1
The Gentle Power of the Sufi Tradition
http://www.ismaili.net/Source/0910.html
"The names of the Isma'ili hidden Imams have been subject to much research and speculation. This is because of the secrecy with which these names were always surrounded. This secrecy was due, at first, to the fear of these Imams from the'Abbasid government. The Ismaili Imams of that period were too cautious to disclose their true names; instead "they assumed names, other than their own, and used for themselves esoterically names denoting the rank of proofs (Hujjats) (2) ."(3) They "went into hiding," as al-Mu'izz says in a letter to one of his da'is in Sind, "and the da'is to protect them, called them by nicknames, choosing ones which would fit them."(4)
:)
Posted by
Eklavya
May 1, 2009 09:49 am
Interesting...I didn't expect something like this right at the beginning of one of those articles:http://www.ismaili.net/Source/0910.html
"The names of the Isma'ili hidden Imams have been subject to much research and speculation. This is because of the secrecy with which these names were always surrounded. This secrecy was due, at first, to the fear of these Imams from the'Abbasid government. The Ismaili Imams of that period were too cautious to disclose their true names; instead "they assumed names, other than their own, and used for themselves esoterically names denoting the rank of proofs (Hujjats) (2) ."(3) They "went into hiding," as al-Mu'izz says in a letter to one of his da'is in Sind, "and the da'is to protect them, called them by nicknames, choosing ones which would fit them."(4)
:)
The Gentle Power of the Sufi Tradition
http://www.ismaili.net/Source/0910.html
Further, nizaris naturally mixed that up with a wider concept of 'hidden imam' among shias (their broader group)
http://wsu.edu/~dee/SHIA/HIDDEN.HTM
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As I said, this is a fascinating history of 600 years of developing an entirely different way of thinking the religious thought than we had anything present in India.
Posted by
Eklavya
May 1, 2009 09:41 am
Jang, if you are intrigued, you can read a bit more about the concept of "hidden Imams" among Nizari Ismailis'http://www.ismaili.net/Source/0910.html
Further, nizaris naturally mixed that up with a wider concept of 'hidden imam' among shias (their broader group)
http://wsu.edu/~dee/SHIA/HIDDEN.HTM
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As I said, this is a fascinating history of 600 years of developing an entirely different way of thinking the religious thought than we had anything present in India.
The Gentle Power of the Sufi Tradition
DM ji, true, as I mentioned at the beginning itself, this is the story of but one set of Islamic evangelists and their operations in India.
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Jang, these khojas regularly (1) paid dues to the Imam and (2) followed orders issued by Imams and conveyed/enforced by dai's.
The next question would be: then why did the Imam not explicitly announce his political empire with these (ex) Hindu kings and khojas as his subjects?
There are a number of possible speculations. But those would be merely speculations (such as, the nature of Nizari Imamate had changed after Monghols destroyed their military/religious fort in Amalut/iran, Imam's went underground - becoming 'hidden Imams.' Or it would have made no sense to announce a political empire that could not be defended so long as Sunnis and Hindus dominated other parts of India, etc)
If one has to use the language of 'empire', I would think of it as these people establishing a 'low-cost empire, or proto-empire. My focus, however, was merely on describing a methodology for pulling some Hindus into Islam.
Posted by
Eklavya
May 1, 2009 09:34 am
Dost-Mittar ji and jang, points well taken. DM ji, true, as I mentioned at the beginning itself, this is the story of but one set of Islamic evangelists and their operations in India.
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Jang, these khojas regularly (1) paid dues to the Imam and (2) followed orders issued by Imams and conveyed/enforced by dai's.
The next question would be: then why did the Imam not explicitly announce his political empire with these (ex) Hindu kings and khojas as his subjects?
There are a number of possible speculations. But those would be merely speculations (such as, the nature of Nizari Imamate had changed after Monghols destroyed their military/religious fort in Amalut/iran, Imam's went underground - becoming 'hidden Imams.' Or it would have made no sense to announce a political empire that could not be defended so long as Sunnis and Hindus dominated other parts of India, etc)
If one has to use the language of 'empire', I would think of it as these people establishing a 'low-cost empire, or proto-empire. My focus, however, was merely on describing a methodology for pulling some Hindus into Islam.
The Gentle Power of the Sufi Tradition
Posted by
Eklavya
May 1, 2009 08:09 am
sattar bhai, again, nothing in that recounting of events was addressed to any Muslim of any brand. We are wasting each others' time now. Best.
The Gentle Power of the Sufi Tradition
If ANY Indic person here has any doubt about this being a story of crafty Muslims actively manipulating ignorant Hindus into the fold of Islam, please ask, and I will do my best to explain why I hold the view I do.
(One cannot hope to convince EVERYONE, but if we are reasonable, most of us should broadly agree.)
Posted by
Eklavya
May 1, 2009 07:01 am
Although I have not written as much yet as I would like to about Mr Jinnah's religious background, the main part of the story has been told. If ANY Indic person here has any doubt about this being a story of crafty Muslims actively manipulating ignorant Hindus into the fold of Islam, please ask, and I will do my best to explain why I hold the view I do.
(One cannot hope to convince EVERYONE, but if we are reasonable, most of us should broadly agree.)
The Gentle Power of the Sufi Tradition
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If ANY non-believer has a question, I would gladly answer to the best of my ability.
Posted by
Eklavya
May 1, 2009 06:52 am
Sattar bhai, there is nothing to think about. None of that was meant for a believer at all. I am glad you combine faith with cyncism. :)------------------
If ANY non-believer has a question, I would gladly answer to the best of my ability.
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