The Real Jehad Reply #: 244

Gowardhan

Fatimah 187

I didnt know Jehad was about sex. Is that why Pakistani terrorists rape Kashmiri women?

Want to do Jehad together? I do it very good.``]

Gowardhan

,you can do Jehad just by ABSTINENCE ,DOING NOTHING!!

I know you are not good in English ,& even your own countrys NATIONAL language Hindi/urdu ,to the extent that 1/2 of you can be justifiably called ANTINATIONAL INDIAN

Tehlka in urdu/hindi means sensational EVENT.yes,jehad is Tehlka causing thing too.

YOU REMIND ME OF THE JOKE WHEN A GUY LIKE YOU ASK HIS DAUGHTER TO `SCREW AROUND` ,WHEN HE WANTED HER TO DO ``TWIST`` ,

rotfl.... you silly G.D.

A Pakistani School’s Visit to India : Aug-25-01 10:24:43 EST Reply #: 675

``saminashah----re: transnationalism, dislocation

The newer schools of thought in terms of immigrant communities in the West take into account the globalization of economies, cultures technology and of course, labor. Social scientists are considering the phenomenas of dual citizenship and transnationalism as dynamic immigrant responses to psychic dislocation.``]

________

DUAL CITIZENSHIP

I know Pakistan is quiet liberal in letting Pakistanis have dual citizenship both in Canada & U.S.A. that i know of & perhaps Europe & mid East too.

The dual citizenship issue in India is much more complex because of himalayan different views in the parties or alliance in Power.The present Alliance which has BJP in majority ,refuses despite its most avid & staunch support among the NRI communities in north america.One would remember the seprate & private reception given to P.M. by the RSS of N.J. in which Christian Sikh & Muslim Indians were excluded.

When to a neutral foreigner ,both India & Pakistan appear same ( for those who have `doctor complex`see the latest story of 3 taxi drivers in N.Y.C.sharma,Hasan,& shan,each Indian,Pakistani &Bangladeshi)--

except that India is 7-10 times larger in certain demographics & populations .WHY IN YOUR OPINION INDIA WOULD NOT ,WHEN PAKISTAN CAN GIVE DUAL CITIZENSHIP?

A Pakistani School’s Visit to India

News NOT seen by Amir Ali

Minister-led mob attacks Muslims

Lucknow: Unbelievable though it may sound but it is true that a U.P. cabinet minister led goondas of his party to attack the Muslim locality in Bairwas village under Lohtan police station in Siddharth Nagar district of U.P. bordering Nepal.

It is alleged that reacting to an alleged case of ‘cow slaughter’, a mob led by Minister Dhanraaj Yadav attacked the Muslim locality of the village on 10 July and set on fire all the 80 houses belonging to Muslims. The menfolk of the locality had already fled leaving behind only women and children when a police force arrived in the village to make enquiries after a complaint. A male calf was found murdered, not slaughtered, according to Mumtaz Bhai, BSP leader in Siddharthnagar who told MG that the calf belonged to the kind which is left at large and its meat is not consumed by anyone. According to him, the calf was found dead on 9 July at Sapahi, a village 1.5 kms away from Bairwas.

The mob also ransacked the local madrasa and set it on fire. The Lohtan Police, which had earlier arrested Zakri, the man said to be responsible for this illegal act, did not react at first and allowed the situation to take the ugly turn. However, after loot and arson it acted and opened fire to disperse the mob killing one Ram Bux on the spot. The man is said to be an active member of Vishwa Hindu Parishad who had been spitting venom against Muslims of the area for alleged act of cow slaughter. Another activist of BJP and member of Zila Panchayat, Ram Niwas Yadav, was also badly beaten by the police. However, independent enquiries revealed that the calf was ‘killed’ not ‘slaughtered’. Another person belonging to majority community was also killed due to head injury after brickbatting.

It may be noted that the said minister is a habitual culprit and has been implicated in two other such cases earlier, first in 1989 in Sikri crossing case and later in 1992 in Shankar Pur case after a probe by crime branch of CID. However, after his becoming the minister the cases were withdrawn by the BJP led government of U.P.

Higher officers of district and commissionery including commissioner Basti range DIG range, District Magistrate and Superintendent of Police Basti reached the spot to control the situation. PAC and para military forces are patrolling the area. True to his habit Minister Dhanraaj Yadav spitted venom against the Muslims of the area and termed them as the ISI agents endangering the peace and security of the bordering area.

On the other hand the entire opposition has demanded his immediate suspension from the cabinet and his arrest. A delegation of Samajwadi Party headed by leader of the opposition Mr. Dhani Ram Verma, Mr Ahmad Hasan, Dr Vaqar Ahmad Shah and Mr Shiv Pal Singh Yadav toured the area and met the people. The delegation blamed that at the behest of local contractors who were facing heavy loss due to the opposition to the construction of a proposed dam which was endangering the existence of many villages of the area, Dhanraj Yadav and his party workers masterminded the trouble. Senior Congress leader Mr. DP Bora and ex-chief minister Jadambika Pal also demanded action against the minister and full compensation to those whose houses were set on fire and belongings looted. They have demanded that Dhanraaj Yadav be removed from the cabinet and an FIR be lodged against him and the dropped case be revived.

Meanwhile local MLA Mohammad Muqeem (Cong) with workers of his party is busy in providing relief, particularly goods of daily use, to the victim families. q

-Obaid Nasir (additional input: Ahmad Rahmani)



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UPROAR OVER TEHELKA TAPES

Samata member offered call girls: Tejpal

Shambhu Srivastava, official spokesperson of the Samata party told

newsmen that the party has distanced itself from R K Jain and the party

was in no way responsible for his misdeeds.

http://www.rediff.com/news/2001/aug/23teh.htm

Defence ministry recommends action against tainted officers

The defence ministry has already placed under suspension Major General P

S K Chaudhary who is shown in the video as accepting Rs 100,000 and a

gold chain as bribe.

http://www.rediff.com/news/2001/aug/23teh2.htm

Prostitutes condemn their use by Tehelka

Reacting to media reports, the prostitutes of Delhi in a meeting on

Wednesday said that prostitutes of GB road, Delhi`s red light area, were

not involved in the episode.

http://www.rediff.com/news/2001/aug/23teh1.htm

Samata wants security for sex workers

At the same time, the party demanded withdrawal of security cover to

Tehelka.com CEO Tarun Tejpal.

http://www.rediff.com/news/2001/aug/23def1.htm

Assam minister threatens to sue tehelka

The news portal has alleged that Sarat Borkotoky paid Sanghamitra

Bharali to make public the news of her secret marriage to former chief

minister Prafulla Kumar Mahanta.

http://www.rediff.com/news/2001/aug/23mahan.htm

Jurists, journalists slam Tehelka, but oppose criminal action

Leading lawyers and journalists on Thursday criticised the portal

tehelka.com for using prostitutes to trap defence officials in a

videotaped exposé on corruption in defence deals.

http://www.rediff.com/news/2001/aug/23pros.htm

Use of immoral measures unacceptable: Mahajan

The Union parliamentary affairs minister told the Lok Sabha that the

home ministry would examine whether Tehelka.com journalists used

prostitutes during its expose on corruption in defence deals and would

initiate action against those who had broken the law.

http://www.rediff.com/news/2001/aug/23def.htm

LUCKILY I DID NOT HAVE TO PUT IT ALL TOGETHER ,IT WAS PACKAGED & READY TO GO BY REDIFF-(indian news on line)

Happy Birthday, Chowk!

: Suzanne takes you down to her place near the river: You can hear the boats go by: You can spend the night beside her: And you know that she`s half crazy: But that`s why you want to be there: And she feeds you tea and oranges: That come all the way from China: And just when you mean to tell her: That you have no love to give her: Then she gets you on her wavelength: And she lets the river answer: That you`ve always been her lover: And you want to travel with her: And you want to travel blind: And you know that she will trust you: For you`ve touched her perfect body with your mind.: And Jesus was a sailor: When he walked upon the water: And he spent a long time watching: From his lonely wooden tower: And when he knew for certain: Only drowning men could see him: He said ``All men will be sailors then: Until the sea shall free them``: But he himself was broken: Long before the sky would open: Forsaken, almost human: He sank beneath your wisdom like a stone: And you want to travel with him: And you want to travel blind: And you think maybe you`ll trust him: For he`s touched your perfect body with his mind.: Now Suzanne takes your hand: And she leads you to the river: She is wearing rags and feathers: From Salvation Army counters: And the sun pours down like honey: On our lady of the harbour: And she shows you where to look: Among the garbage and the flowers: There are heroes in the seaweed: There are children in the morning: They are leaning out for love: And they will lean that way forever: While Suzanne holds the mirror: And you want to travel with her: And you want to travel blind: And you know that you can trust her: For she`s touched your perfect body with her mind.

Taliban : An Analysis Reply #: 96

sigalph235re fatimah #88

``YLH has asid it well. Bernard Lewis is one of the most Arabophile experts of the Middle East. ``

.....................

YOU SILLY SGLPH,& HYPOCRITE YLH

WHY SHOULD I CARE IF BERNARD IS ARABO PHILE?

Are you an ARAB ?

Fools still slave of Arab culture rather than being muslim & not confusing Islam as ARABISM.

CANT YOU HEAR ARABISM IS NOT ISLAM.!You educated fools falling for the wrong symbols.

I know bengali & Arabic but i am neither AND PROUD OF IT.

Taliban : An Analysis Reply #: 96

sigalph235

re fatimah #88

YLH has asid it well. Bernard Lewis is one of the most Arabophile experts of the Middle East. Even his son, Tony, admits that(and probably regrets it given that the younger Lewis is a bit more partisan to Israel).

Same with Friedman. His book `From Beirut to Jerusalem` is a scathing indictment of Israel`s policy in Lebanon. Like Bernard Lewis, Friedman is a Jew as well. That has not stopped him from attempting to be unprejudiced. Nor have the Jewish rabbis declared him or Lewis apostates. Hence lies the difference between the Jewish clerics and Islamic clerics.............``]]



Sigalph

No body is forcing you to be muslim

``There is no compulsion in religion``

I know how good Jews & Israel & Bernard Lewis & Freidman are .

Most detrogatory comments about muslims i have read in an article by Bernard Lewis in ATLANTIC.A magazine i find mostly anti islamic than not.I would also add that muslims are much less crtical of Jews like Bernard Lewis than they are of Muslims in general.

Freidman is good b/c he condemns israel is not my way of judging .I find him inaccurate ,biased in areas of knowledge ,that i am indegenious too ,So what if i am not Freidman or Bernard Lewis i can still hold myself against them when it comes to home turf.Just as he can about israel or jews or judeaism.

I never get all misty eyed ,beholden to a jew if he/she crticizes Israel or supports Palestine I never needed that endorsement from Jew in particular to feel good for myself believing what is right irrespective of that.

Iam not against jews or judeaism but dont like the arrogence of isreal which is supported by most of jews zionist .

I know many neutral jews like Chomsky,my butcher Isackson,Rabbi of local temple Shalom,but not the ones on t.v. like Bernard Lewis,Freidman Emerson,& for that matter even if they are not jews like Foud Ahjami ,etc.

They are shameless peddlers & only difference between than the vendors in 3rd world is the price & commodity they are selling

Taliban : An Analysis Reply #: 96

sigalph235

re fatimah #88

YLH has asid it well. Bernard Lewis is one of the most Arabophile experts of the Middle East. Even his son, Tony, admits that(and probably regrets it given that the younger Lewis is a bit more partisan to Israel).

Same with Friedman. His book `From Beirut to Jerusalem` is a scathing indictment of Israel`s policy in Lebanon. Like Bernard Lewis, Friedman is a Jew as well. That has not stopped him from attempting to be unprejudiced. Nor have the Jewish rabbis declared him or Lewis apostates. Hence lies the difference between the Jewish clerics and Islamic clerics.............``]]



Sigalph

No body is forcing you to be muslim

``There is no compulsion in religion``

I know how good Jews & Israel & Bernard Lewis & Freidman are .

Most detrogatory comments about muslims i have read in an article by Bernard Lewis in ATLANTIC.A magazine i find mostly anti islamic than not.I would also add that muslims are much less crtical of Jews like Bernard Lewis than they are of Muslims in general.

Freidman is good b/c he condemns israel is not my way of judging .I find him inaccurate ,biased in areas of knowledge ,that i am indegenious too ,So what if i am not Freidman or Bernard Lewis i can still hold myself against them when it comes to home turf.Just as he can about israel or jews or judeaism.

I never get all misty eyed ,beholden to a jew if he/she crticizes Israel or supports Palestine I never needed that endorsement from Jew in particular to feel good for myself believing what is right irrespective of that.

Iam not against jews or judeaism but dont like the arrogence of isreal which is supported by most of jews zionist .

I know many neutral jews like Chomsky,my butcher Isackson,Rabbi of local temple Shalom,but not the ones on t.v. like Bernard Lewis,Freidman Emerson,& for that matter even if they are not jews like Foud Ahjami ,etc.

They are shameless peddlers & only difference between than the vendors in 3rd world is the price & commodity they are selling

War Now and, Forever?

Veeresh Bhai Jaan

.`` Why don`t my Pakistani friends ask 50% of their population, the women, if they want to follow the much vaunted hard core Islamic model which reduces them to drudgery?``---Isse ke kya zaroorat thhee

DONT CRY FOR ME INDIA,THE TRUTH IS I NEVER COULD BE HAPPIER

I am a Muslim Woman

I am a Muslim Woman

Feel free to ask me why

When I walk, I walk with dignity

When I speak, I do not lie

I am a Muslim Woman,

Not all of me you`ll see

But what you should appreciate

Is that the choice I make is free

I`m not plagued with depression

I`m neither cheated nor abused

I don`t envy other women

And I`m certainly not confused

Note, I speak perfect English

Et un petit peu de francais aussie

I`m majoring in Linguistics

So you need not speak slowly

I own my own small business

Every cent I earn is mine

I drive my Chevy to school and work

And no, that`s not a crime

You often stare as I walk by

You don`t understand my veil

But peace and power I have found

For I am equal to any male

I am a Muslim Woman

So please don`t pity me

For God has guided me to truth

And now I`m finally free!

Taliban : An Analysis Reply #: 13

babu

All your assertions about RIGHTS of U.S.A. are right

But only if USA had kept itself on the western shores of Atlantic & eastern shores of Pacific.

When U.S.A. ventures out to form relation ship with any other country & expects to be taken seriously as a BIG brother it is a member of the community , NOT an island

Your Rights can only be right ,if U.S.A. were an island which like any human it isnt.

Yes, legally you may deny food to your neighbour claiming police protection while you Eat & rest starve .

BUT ARE WE TALKING JUST OF LEGALITY OR HUMANISM,RELIGION(ANY),COMMUNITY,SOCIETY,HUMAN RIGHTS.......?????????????????????????????????

Taliban : An Analysis I knew the day MODERN PAKISTANIS ,let that scum bag ,VIDYA N.S.Paul & MOST detesting of an act of any `SHAREEF`family could do even in Hindian families is ,.....let loose there woman NADIRA for this crazy Widower ,N.S./Paul to seduce woman from of all most restrictive of all society ---Islamic .

This Modern Pakistanis read Naipaul who writes two books after being nurtured & mothered by Muslim Girl ,BOTH against Muslims & Islam based not on erudition or even intelligence ,for Naipaul is neither a Historian nor anthropoligist by education.

But the western world is what it is with rspect to Islam ,for e.g. there celebration of Salman Rushdie & giving of Nobel to Naipaul for his abhorrence of Islam,just when world opinion was fully exploited by western media to smear in the ashes of Twin Tower 9-11 tragedy.

If Pakistan reverts to more radical ,it is these modernists to be blamed.After partition Pakistan was given free reign to even surpass conservative India.But what did they do with that freedom.Did they educate there women?..No Did they train there men for technological advancement? ..No ONly they developed FASHION SHOW ,FASHION model.I remember seing `see through `fashion show in Karachi & Lahore when India was making films like Do Raste AGIANST western values.

Like any rebound any back lash by Jamaat or Jaish is because these very modernist who have barterred there women for photo op with anyone who have been celebrated by west like NAIPAul ,rushdie,vINOD kHANNA (RAJNESH FOLLOWER & BJP CANDIDATE))

kABIR bEDI(DIVORCEE & SOAP OPERA chip & dale)

WE have our self to be blame before the illiterate in english ,madrsaah educated mass ,which do out number these influential `MODERN`in the sense of a teflon coating only rather any Newton,Fleming ,Edison,GrahamBell,which they never will be.

Forced Marriages in the UK Dec-31-01 21:7:37 EST Reply #: 7

jay.

````You have no idea about islam, first join some madrassa and learn.

A muslim woman seeing a non-muslim is a honourkilling crime. Imagine the muslim girl converting to another religion. ``]]

Its not Tariq who needs to learn but ninicoompoop like you.This btw is AnNys favourite vocabulary ,& she as a muslim women can teach you few things herself

Hindu Women VS Muslim Women

The Brahmins make a big campaign that Islam restricts the freedom of

women. Let us compare the positions of the Hindu woman and the Muslim

woman. See the following facts for comparison and then try to bring

these Brahmins to their senses.

The Hindu Woman:

1. The Hindu Woman has no right to divorce her husband.

2. She has no property or inheritance rights.

3. Choice of partner is limited because she can only marry within her

own caste; moreover her horoscope must match that of the intending

bridegroom/family.

4. The family of the girl has to offer an enormous dowry to the

bridegroom/family.

5. If her husband dies she should commit Sati (being cremated with her

dead husband). Since today`s law forbids Sati, society mainly punishes

her in other ``holy`` ways (see below).

6. She cannot remarry.

7. The widow is considered to be a curse and must not be seen in public.

She cannot wear jewelry or colourful clothes. (She should not even take

part in her children`s marriage!)

8. Child and infant marriage is encouraged.

The Muslim Woman:

1.The Muslim woman has the same right as the Muslim man in all matters

including divorce.

2. She enjoys property and inheritance rights. (Which other religion

grants women these rights?). She can also conduct her own separate

business.

3. She can marry any Muslim of her choice. If her parents choose a

partner for her, her consent must be taken.

4. The dowry in Islam is a gift from a husband to his wife (not the

other way around as is practiced by some ignorant Muslims).

5. A Muslim widow is encouraged to remarry, and her remarriage is the

responsibility of the Muslim society.

6.Mixed marriage is encouraged and is a means to prevent racism creeping

in society.

7. A Muslim mother is given the highest form of respect.

What right do the Hindus have to criticize the Muslims? Have you ever

heard of a Muslim burning his wife? In India women die daily of dowry

deaths, Hindu women being burnt by the husband or in-laws. It is a fact

that upper caste Hindus ill-treat their women. The Brahmins are trying

to claim that Muslims do not give freedom to their women. I ask you

again. ``Do the Hindus respect their women?``

You be the judge.